Chuck Missler Proves The Pre-Trib Rapture

[rebuilder 454]

Could you provide the scriptural quote in regard to your comment?

Rev 13:7
It was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Postrib rapture has zero saints on earth to rapture.

 

[Taken]

Rev 13:7
It was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Postrib rapture has zero saints on earth to rapture.

Thank you.
ALL does NOT mean ALL humans…there is a CAVEAT….excluding ALL humans whose name is written in the Lambs Book of Life.

There are BOOKS…(Gods Evidence)…

Natural birth of all men, their names written IN Gods Book of Life…(their natural life existing)

IF…(caveat) at the time of their physical death…they have rejected God…their name shall become BLOTTED OUT of Gods Book of Life.

Natural births of men who BECOME MADE,
“Baptized with the Holy Spirit … long before their NATURAL Physical death…ARE:

Name entered INTO the Lambs Book of Life, never subject to their name being blotted out.
Baptized…by the Holy Spirit…ARE:
“Forgiven”
“soul saved” (restored)…again very good
“Spirit quickened” (born again of Gods seed
“SHALL BE” raised up in a new body.
“ACCOUNTED in the Lambs Book AS Already manifested….yet not physically manifested for natural man’s EYES to see.

Yes…During the Trib…there SHALL Be…Converted BELIEVERS…and Physical Deaths.
Non-converted … and Physical Deaths.
Believers…who DO NOT experience physical deaths.
Time with Absence of Demons…WHILE
Present with…
Souls saved, Spirit Quickened, Risen Bodies, with the Lord….AND the believing Mortal men…
THEN Time the Devil and Demons in mortal mens presence AGAIN….
And THEN shall Men mortal men become influenced BY the demons…
AND THEN is the TIME…ALL morality (human life) cease to exist.
(^ that occurs at the end of 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rebuilder 454]

Thank you.
ALL does NOT mean ALL humans…there is a CAVEAT….excluding ALL humans whose name is written in the Lambs Book of Life.

There are BOOKS…(Gods Evidence)…

Natural birth of all men, their names written IN Gods Book of Life…(their natural life existing)

IF…(caveat) at the time of their physical death…they have rejected God…their name shall become BLOTTED OUT of Gods Book of Life.

Natural births of men who BECOME MADE,
“Baptized with the Holy Spirit … long before their NATURAL Physical death…ARE:

Name entered INTO the Lambs Book of Life, never subject to their name being blotted out.
Baptized…by the Holy Spirit…ARE:
“Forgiven”
“soul saved” (restored)…again very good
“Spirit quickened” (born again of Gods seed
“SHALL BE” raised up in a new body.
“ACCOUNTED in the Lambs Book AS Already manifested….yet not physically manifested for natural man’s EYES to see.

Yes…During the Trib…there SHALL Be…Converted BELIEVERS…and Physical Deaths.
Non-converted … and Physical Deaths.
Believers…who DO NOT experience physical deaths.
Time with Absence of Demons…WHILE
Present with…
Souls saved, Spirit Quickened, Risen Bodies, with the Lord….AND the believing Mortal men…
THEN Time the Devil and Demons in mortal mens presence AGAIN….
And THEN shall Men mortal men become influenced BY the demons…
AND THEN is the TIME…ALL morality (human life) cease to exist.
(^ that occurs at the end of 1,000 year reign of Christ Jesus).

Glory to God,
Taken

It says all worship.( except those believers refusing the mark)
All take the mark or refuse.
To refuse is to die.
To get saved during the trib?
That also means they die.
You must understand that ALL ( THAT MEANS ALL) WILL be tracked.
All will have the mark.
There is no running from cave to cave with the AC on their tail, and can't quite catch them.
The AC will have COMPLETE control.
( THE MARK IS EXACTLY THAT)
ALL humans marked.
Like the nazis, reward money for turning in believers.
So....Not some.
.....All.
You're not "in between."
If you are on the planet , you are his (the A C owns you), and demands worship.
Only the Jews are ushered to safety.
Now we're not talking about the native living on the Amazon with a loincloth. We're talking about all viable peoples on the planet, not obscure cannibals in New Guinea. Of course they're excluded they have no value to the Antichrist.

What must be factored in, is Jesus words when he said Jerusalem shall be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles is completed or fulfilled.
Jesus was speaking directly to the pre-tribulation rapture. The ones that are left behind are completely taken care of because they're martyred by the Antichrist.
That is their repentance.
they go to heaven as Martyrs and receive the highest reward.
But these things are taken care of right away because the Gentile church is the Gentile bride which is Ruth and she is taken to Heaven complete with the carnal ones that are left behind.
So now that the times of the Gentiles is completed at the start of the tribulation, Jesus turns his attention to the Jews.
We see right away that the Jews are ushered to a place of safety, and the devil follows, and tries to destroy them, but he is unsuccessful.

now note that only the 144,000 are sealed in their foreheads and protected )only the first fruit Jews)
. So that tells me they are not within this protected Arena where God ushered them to safety.

they apparently are in the population of Earth, and some say they preach the gospel, and that may be true.

But we notice that Midway into the seven-year tribulation the 144,000 first fruits Jews are taken to heaven, and then right after that, the main body, or the main Harvest, is taken by Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle.

... and that is halfway through the 7-year trib. And right before the wrath of God is poured out.

And so this is the cycle that the bride is harvested first and then the Jew comes later. It's exactly Illustrated in Romans 9, 10 and 11, that the Jews were cut off but will be grafted back in.
So ,that is why that it actually must happen ,that the Antichrist is given power over the Saints, and it also says that he overcomes them.
It is necessary because the times of the Gentiles is ended.

 

[Taken]

It says all worship.( except those believers refusing the mark)
All take the mark or refuse.
To refuse is to die.
To get saved during the trib?
That also means they die.
You must understand that ALL ( THAT MEANS ALL) WILL be tracked.
All will have the mark.
There is no running from cave to cave with the AC on their tail, and can't quite catch them.
The AC will have COMPLETE control.
( THE MARK IS EXACTLY THAT)
ALL humans marked.
Like the nazis, reward money for turning in believers.
So....Not some.
.....All.
You're not "in between."
If you are on the planet , you are his (the A C owns you), and demands worship.
Only the Jews are ushered to safety.
Now we're not talking about the native living on the Amazon with a loincloth. We're talking about all viable peoples on the planet, not obscure cannibals in New Guinea. Of course they're excluded they have no value to the Antichrist.

What must be factored in, is Jesus words when he said Jerusalem shall be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles is completed or fulfilled.
Jesus was speaking directly to the pre-tribulation rapture. The ones that are left behind are completely taken care of because they're martyred by the Antichrist.
That is their repentance.
they go to heaven as Martyrs and receive the highest reward.
But these things are taken care of right away because the Gentile church is the Gentile bride which is Ruth and she is taken to Heaven complete with the carnal ones that are left behind.
So now that the times of the Gentiles is completed at the start of the tribulation, Jesus turns his attention to the Jews.
We see right away that the Jews are ushered to a place of safety, and the devil follows, and tries to destroy them, but he is unsuccessful.

now note that only the 144,000 are sealed in their foreheads and protected )only the first fruit Jews)
. So that tells me they are not within this protected Arena where God ushered them to safety.

they apparently are in the population of Earth, and some say they preach the gospel, and that may be true.

But we notice that Midway into the seven-year tribulation the 144,000 first fruits Jews are taken to heaven, and then right after that, the main body, or the main Harvest, is taken by Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle.

... and that is halfway through the 7-year trib. And right before the wrath of God is poured out.

And so this is the cycle that the bride is harvested first and then the Jew comes later. It's exactly Illustrated in Romans 9, 10 and 11, that the Jews were cut off but will be grafted back in.
So ,that is why that it actually must happen ,that the Antichrist is given power over the Saints, and it also says that he overcomes them.
It is necessary because the times of the Gentiles is ended.

I gave a brief…is there something specific you are disagreeing with?

 

[David in NJ]

So far, no scriptures. Where, O where, are the scriptures?

Don't worry, they will make them up as they go along!

 

[David in NJ]

And it doesnt because....(crickets)...nothing else?

Here we go...

You still looking for approval from men, when you should be looking at the Holy Scriptures and "believing every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God."

 

[ShineTheLight]

According to Revelation 1:7, everyone will be seeing Jesus. Everyone will be in fear of God. The pre-tribulation doctrine contradicts that. It teaches that only some will see his coming, while others won't. That makes no sense. And Jesus coming at two separate events? LOL.

 

[MA2444]

According to Revelation 1:7, everyone will be seeing Jesus. Everyone will be in fear of God. The pre-tribulation doctrine contradicts that. It teaches that only some will see his coming, while others won't. That makes no sense. And Jesus coming at two separate events? LOL.

That's a big contradiction and there's a good reason why. Because it is nt one event, it is two events.
1st trip, rapture. He comes for His people to take them to a place He has prepared for them.
2nd trip (2nd coming) He comes to the mount of Olives and puts down evil on the earth.

So it's really not a contradiction if you see it as two events.

 

[MA2444]

You still looking for approval from men, when you should be looking at the Holy Scriptures and "believing every word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God."

Oh, are you patting yourself on the back? Lol.

I'm not looking for your approval or anyone elses, lol. But when you post something like "that was wrong" , Then you cant leave it at that. You must show what was wrong about it! You did not.

 

[David in NJ]

That's a big contradiction and there's a good reason why. Because it is nt one event, it is two events.
1st trip, rapture. He comes for His people to take them to a place He has prepared for them.
2nd trip (2nd coming) He comes to the mount of Olives and puts down evil on the earth.

So it's really not a contradiction if you see it as two events.

Your statement would be 100% TRUE had not the LORD said HE is ONLY making One Trip from Heaven for His Second Coming.

A real shocker!!! = the Apostles say the SAME = One Descent from Heaven at His Coming

the teaching & preaching of a pre-trib rapture is lawlessness = false witness against the Word

If you ever want to experience true revival of the Holy Spirit you must turn away from falsehood.

 

[MA2444]

A real shocker!!! = the Apostles say the SAME = One Descent from Heaven at His Coming

Right. And when He comes for His Bride the church it is in the air. He comes, for His Saints. At the 2nd coming, He comes, with His Saints. It's all in scritpure.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I gave a brief…is there something specific you are disagreeing with?

Just adding and affirming.
I agree with you

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your statement would be 100% TRUE had not the LORD said HE is ONLY making One Trip from Heaven for His Second Coming.

A real shocker!!! = the Apostles say the SAME = One Descent from Heaven at His Coming

the teaching & preaching of a pre-trib rapture is lawlessness = false witness against the Word

If you ever want to experience true revival of the Holy Spirit you must turn away from falsehood.

Mat 24 has 2 comings.
Rev14 has the Jews gathered twice.
"One coming" can not honestly be defended

....and your doctrine CENTERS on one coming.

What in the world will you do with that?
You can't possibly unpack it.
I mean it ain't like it's going to go away.
I mean it's more like "oops let me take another look at that".
But I mean what exactly do you guys do with that?
every single answer and come back I've ever seen is;
"well you post fibers."
"Well you have a Doctrine from hell."
" Well these are satanic lies from hell"
. I mean it doesn't concern you?
It doesn't Peak your interest?
I mean do you ever honestly take a look at those other Cummings?
I find it flat out bizarre that the strategy of that doctrine that you expose is just to put
down people and pretend that those verses aren't there.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your statement would be 100% TRUE had not the LORD said HE is ONLY making One Trip from Heaven for His Second Coming.

A real shocker!!! = the Apostles say the SAME = One Descent from Heaven at His Coming

the teaching & preaching of a pre-trib rapture is lawlessness = false witness against the Word

If you ever want to experience true revival of the Holy Spirit you must turn away from falsehood.

In Rev 14 they are gathered from the air and there is zero said or inferred Jesus touches the earth.
Mat 24 has 2 comings.
One before, one after the trib, Onto earth physically, and the other one a gathering to heaven.
Lot never RETURNED.( AHEM...your doctrine would need him to RETURN IMMEDIATELY)
Noah returned AFTER THE TRIB.
(Uh..as in the pretribber doctrine)

Your doctrine skips purpose in "the time of the Gentiles fulfilled"
And skips purpose in the purpose of the trib.
And skips purpose in the "Jewish dynamic of rom 9-11.
And sadly has no answer to the wedding in heaven. The feast in heaven. The Last Supper dialogue that vividly portrays mansions in heaven,and Jesus saying that "where I am you may be also".
Pre-trib Rapture Doctrine vividly explores, explains, and harmonizes with every single one of those points.
your Doctrine absolutely does not, and it is a huge huge fail

 

[David in NJ]

Right. And when He comes for His Bride the church it is in the air. He comes, for His Saints. At the 2nd coming, He comes, with His Saints. It's all in scritpure.

When HE comes on the clouds is the His Coming.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[David in NJ]

Mat 24 has 2 comings.
Rev14 has the Jews gathered twice.
"One coming" can not honestly be defended

....and your doctrine CENTERS on one coming.

What in the world will you do with that?
You can't possibly unpack it.
I mean it ain't like it's going to go away.
I mean it's more like "oops let me take another look at that".
But I mean what exactly do you guys do with that?
every single answer and come back I've ever seen is;
"well you post fibers."
"Well you have a Doctrine from hell."
" Well these are satanic lies from hell"
. I mean it doesn't concern you?
It doesn't Peak your interest?
I mean do you ever honestly take a look at those other Cummings?
I find it flat out bizarre that the strategy of that doctrine that you expose is just to put
down people and pretend that those verses aren't there.

Mat 24 has 2 comings.

OK - post this supposed "two comings" in Matt ch24

 

[David in NJ]

In Rev 14 they are gathered from the air and there is zero said or inferred Jesus touches the earth.
Mat 24 has 2 comings.
One before, one after the trib, Onto earth physically, and the other one a gathering to heaven.
Lot never RETURNED.( AHEM...your doctrine would need him to RETURN IMMEDIATELY)
Noah returned AFTER THE TRIB.
(Uh..as in the pretribber doctrine)

Your doctrine skips purpose in "the time of the Gentiles fulfilled"
And skips purpose in the purpose of the trib.
And skips purpose in the "Jewish dynamic of rom 9-11.
And sadly has no answer to the wedding in heaven. The feast in heaven. The Last Supper dialogue that vividly portrays mansions in heaven,and Jesus saying that "where I am you may be also".
Pre-trib Rapture Doctrine vividly explores, explains, and harmonizes with every single one of those points.
your Doctrine absolutely does not, and it is a huge huge fail

REVELATION is a series of 'revelations' .

JESUS comes in the clouds (Rev 14) are the SAME clouds in Rev ch19

AFTER that is WRATH Time

 

[rebuilder 454]

When HE comes on the clouds is the His Coming.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

We all know he returns to earth after the trib and wrath. That is Rev 19. The white horses coming.
Nobody I know of disputes that except "the Light guy"
He says no 7 year trib.

 

[rebuilder 454]

REVELATION is a series of 'revelations' .

JESUS comes in the clouds (Rev 14) are the SAME clouds in Rev ch19

AFTER that is WRATH Time

You just pointed to 2 comings.
One sitting on a cloud
One on white horses.
Now read acts 1 and take off the blinders.
Because like manner DOES NOT FIT EITHER ONE.
Like manner ONLY FITS pretrib rapture.

Vivid , and irrefutable, unless you want to torture that bible some more

 

[David in NJ]

You just pointed to 2 comings.
One sitting on a cloud
One on white horses.
Now read acts 1 and take off the blinders.
Because like manner DOES NOT FIT EITHER ONE.
Like manner ONLY FITS pretrib rapture.

Vivid , and irrefutable, unless you want to torture that bible some more

Rev 14 & Rev 19 are REPEATING revelations of the SAME Event as is Rev 6:9-11 as is Rev 7:15-18