22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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This is very ironic. It is because of your CARNAL way of looking at things that you ASSUME that the 1,000 year reign is a literal one thousand years on earth. I don't see anything SPIRITUAL about the way you interpret scripture. You interpret it no differently than you'd interpret a news article.

I don’t recall asking your opinion.
I don’t recall saying I depend on my Carnal Thinking to Understand Scripture, but did instead expressly say HOW Gods Word Reveals to Understand scripture, and IS the method I use.

Why is that an ISSUE for you? Do you not care if your interpretation of Revelation 20 lines up with other scripture or not?

No ISSUE for me, so why are you speaking for me?
I do not CARE what you believe, nor what YOU want to determine is Literally TRUE or
YOU want to determine is A LIE, “figuratively” said.
I am of the BELIEF, the Lord God DOES NOT LIE.

 

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Why are you continuing to not answer my question? Is that because you don't have an answer? Once again, why will we be meeting Jesus "in the air" if we're just going to immediately go back down to the earth afterwards?

Who said those with Jesus in the AIR will “IMMEDIATELY” go back down to earth?

I didn’t. THAT was a comment you made, and NOT a question you asked of me.
I did not say that, nor need to answer what you claimed.

There would have to be some reason for that.

There is.

Or do you think there is no reason for that?

No. I believe there IS a reason for those risen up to return to earth.

Do you even have a guess?

I have a study background for what I believe, and Gods teaching.

I don't ignore those things. But, they are not relevant to the discussion. The point I'm making is that there is only one judgment day in terms of final sentencing,

FINAL sentencing, Yes ONE FINAL Judgement.

yet you believe in two such judgment days (one on the day Christ returns and one 1,000+ years later).

Why are you speaking for me? I never said there are two final judgements.

Judgements are simply determinations of behaviors, and the consequence for a behavior.

Scripture is full of Judgements, do this, a Judgement of a Blessing consequence… do that a Judgement of a Curse consequence.

Revelations is full of End of Days Judgements.

 

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This is pure nonsense. You are just making things up as you go because you realize that you can't support your doctrine without making nonsense up like this.

LOL…why do you believe SCRIPTURE should make SENSE to satisfy your Carnal Mind?

Really…?? You think AN INVISIBLE GOD, you can NOT SEE or HEAR “makes sense to a Carnal Mind that THINKS in LOGIC”? <—-> LOL

DUH…Scripture is NOT SUPPOSED to MAKE SENSE to a Carnal MIND!

AND….Understanding Scripture is NOT able to be FIGURED OUT with a Carnal MIND!

So when you say, what I said is Pure NONSENSE….you reveal you DID NOT READ the Scriptures Identified, NOR obviously READ the difference in the Language…..and Obviously THUS can not Understand the Difference….

So you ignore the text and rely on MAKING accusations….LOL….AS IF, accusations have merit to discredit what I said….pfff

That Tactic is old as man, and irrelevant to boot!

 

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LOL. Why should he bother wasting his time to study something that is so obviously complete nonsense that you made up in your imagination? You should be embarrassed for coming up with this ridiculous nonsense that tries to differentiate between being in Jesus and in Christ (Jesus is Christ. Hello? Give us a break.). You can't possibly come up with something any more ludicrous than this.

That was a 10 sec waste of my time.

 

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That is not what John plainly states! He says nothing about Christ reigning for 1,000 years.

Really? Do you have. Bible With Rev 1:1, Rev 4:1 and Rev 20 missing?

John writes that martyred saints, DEAD yet ALIVE lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And? So who are you calling Martyred Saints DEAD yet ALIVE “WITH Christ” ?
Those Crucified with Christ for the last 2,000 years?
Those who believe in Jesus during the Trib?
Those who believe in Christ Jesus during the Trib?
someone else?

You're taking the time when saints lived and reigned with Christ and concluding that Jesus Christ reignes a literal one thousand years.

LOL…I know…can you believe it…I ACTUALLY BELIEVE SCRIPTURE STATES THE TRUTH….

You not only abuse the verse, but also put time restraints on the reign of Christ which Scripture says He reigns FOREVER.

Sure The Lord God reigns forever …WHEN NO MORTALS EXIST ON EARTH after the millennial reign.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

Who are THEY and Who are THEY judging ?

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

John saw the souls of them beheaded FOR?
Belief IN Jesus…
Where was their body?

You want this to say physically resurrected saints shall live and reign with Christ for a literal ONE thousand years on this earth after Christ comes again.

Nope. That is speaking of those Saved during the Trib, for their belief in Jesus.

A man IN Christ, is not ON Earth during the Trib, nor beheaded FOR Jesus….They were crucified with Jesus….remember?

That's what we call reading one's doctrine into the text.

No, That is what is called without Spiritual understanding.

 

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You keep repeating the same error! John NEVER writes Christ reigns for 1,000 years. It is the martyred saints who in life lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Pitiful.

 

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Rev 20

Where does it say anything about Jesus reigning on earth in Revelation 20? Is this all you have? A passage that does not even say anything about Him reigning on earth is the only thing you have to support your view that He will reign on the earth? You have no other NT scripture to back up your view?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don’t recall asking your opinion.

I don't recall any rule that says someone has to ask for an opinion before someone gives an opinion. I certainly never asked for yours, either. But, you gave it, anyway. And that's fine.

I don’t recall saying I depend on my Carnal Thinking to Understand Scripture, but did instead expressly say HOW Gods Word Reveals to Understand scripture, and IS the method I use.

No, your method is clearly very carnal. You make assumptions about any given verse that it must be taken literally instead of being objective and seeking the Holy Spirit's counsel on what type of text any given verse is written in.

No ISSUE for me, so why are you speaking for me?
I do not CARE what you believe, nor what YOU want to determine is Literally TRUE or
YOU want to determine is A LIE, “figuratively” said.
I am of the BELIEF, the Lord God DOES NOT LIE.

You clearly do CARE a lot about what I believe or else you would not be replying to me repeatedly.

 

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LOL…why do you believe SCRIPTURE should make SENSE to satisfy your Carnal Mind?

Really…?? You think AN INVISIBLE GOD, you can NOT SEE or HEAR “makes sense to a Carnal Mind that THINKS in LOGIC”? <—-> LOL

DUH…Scripture is NOT SUPPOSED to MAKE SENSE to a Carnal MIND!

AND….Understanding Scripture is NOT able to be FIGURED OUT with a Carnal MIND!

You should be saying these things to yourself. It is YOU who thinks that scripture is always logical and written in such a way that even an unbeliever can understand it. If an unbeliever used the same hyper-literal approach to interpreting scipture as you do, they would come to the same conclusions as you do. That should be a red flag for you.

So when you say, what I said is Pure NONSENSE….you reveal you DID NOT READ the Scriptures Identified, NOR obviously READ the difference in the Language…..and Obviously THUS can not Understand the Difference….

So you ignore the text and rely on MAKING accusations….LOL….AS IF, accusations have merit to discredit what I said….pfff

That Tactic is old as man, and irrelevant to boot!

I can't take you seriously when you ridiculously try to differentiate between someone who is "in Christ" and someone who is "in Jesus". LOL. What a joke. You lose all credibility when you say things like that.

 

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Really? Do you have. Bible With Rev 1:1, Rev 4:1 and Rev 20 missing?

And? So who are you calling Martyred Saints DEAD yet ALIVE “WITH Christ” ?
Those Crucified with Christ for the last 2,000 years?
Those who believe in Jesus during the Trib?
Those who believe in Christ Jesus during the Trib?
someone else?

LOL…I know…can you believe it…I ACTUALLY BELIEVE SCRIPTURE STATES THE TRUTH….

Sure The Lord God reigns forever …WHEN NO MORTALS EXIST ON EARTH after the millennial reign.

Who are THEY and Who are THEY judging ?

John saw the souls of them beheaded FOR?
Belief IN Jesus…
Where was their body?

Nope. That is speaking of those Saved during the Trib, for their belief in Jesus.

A man IN Christ, is not ON Earth during the Trib, nor beheaded FOR Jesus….They were crucified with Jesus….remember?

No, That is what is called without Spiritual understanding.

I only reply to your posts and some others who obviously have not reading comprehension skills, because I reply so others having reading comprehension ability will also be able to see how lacking in biblical understanding you and some others truly are. Your replies are always bereft (that means deprived/lacking) in this case all ability to discern Scripture, most assuredly without spiritual understanding. Which is why of course you cannot answer simple questions, and why you seldom rely on Scripture to prove whatever your imagination dreams up.

 

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Pitiful.

Yes, you truly are pitiful! It's very sad to see someone so lacking in understanding of the Bible that they have to make up their own translation according to Taken's imagination.

 

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That was a 10 sec waste of my time.

How much time have you wasted coming up with ludicrous ideas such as thinking that being "in Jesus" is different than being "in Christ"? You wouldn't need to spend any time coming up with ideas like that if you believed the truth in the first place. But, since you believe in false doctrine that you can't support with scripture, your only choices are to either acknowledge that your doctrine is false or try to make things up like differentiating between being "in Jesus" and "in Christ" in order to keep your doctrine afloat. You have obviously chosen the latter.

 

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Where does it say anything about Jesus reigning on earth in Revelation 20? Is this all you have? A passage that does not even say anything about Him reigning on earth is the only thing you have to support your view that He will reign on the earth? You have no other NT scripture to back up your view?

Exactly! Which is why he makes up his doctrine according to his imagination. I wonder if anyone takes this cuckoo bird seriously?

 

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Exactly! Which is why he makes up his doctrine according to his imagination. I wonder if anyone takes this cuckoo bird seriously?

I doubt it. I certainly hope not. Whenever someone has to resort to extreme nonsense like saying that being "in Jesus" is something different than being "in Christ", you know they are desperately clinging to their precious false doctrine instead of acknowledging that it's false and seeking the truth.

 

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I doubt it. I certainly hope not. Whenever someone has to resort to extreme nonsense like saying that being "in Jesus" is something different than being "in Christ", you know they are desperately clinging to their precious false doctrine instead of acknowledging that it's false and seeking the truth.

I know I'm always amazed when some are so desperate to be right that they have little concern for truth, even when confronted with it!

 

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Pitiful.

I know you are.

 

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Him reigning on earth is the only thing you have to support your view that He will reign on the earth?

LOL….and..
you speaking to me is the only thing I have to support a view that you are speaking to me…

 

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You clearly do CARE a lot about what I believe or else you would not be replying to me repeatedly.

I do not respond to your jibberish for your benefit, but rather for others standing by that may be interested in the TRUTH.

You obviously Overlook, the Prophecy about Jesus in the OT, and Covenants in the OT and details of Prophecy about Jesus in the NT, and the Revelations of How and When God fulfills His Covenants.

Luke 24:
[44] And he (JESUS) said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

 

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I do not respond to your jibberish for your benefit,

You are talking about yourself again. Your beliefs and your corroboration for your beliefs exist only in your own mind. You are inventing your own theology. It is you that is talking gibberish.

 

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You should be saying these things to yourself. It is YOU who thinks that scripture is always logical and written in such a way that even an unbeliever can understand it. If an unbeliever used the same hyper-literal approach to interpreting scipture as you do, they would come to the same conclusions as you do. That should be a red flag for you.


I can't take you seriously when you ridiculously try to differentiate between someone who is "in Christ" and someone who is "in Jesus". LOL. What a joke. You lose all credibility when you say things like that.

I’m sure Scripture is big rolling joke for you.
Laugh away….

The Lord raises those IN Christ.
God raises those IN Jesus.

TEE HEE….Obvious you don’t know the Difference between Lord and God….or IN Christ and IN Jesus…..

I don’t find your ignorance funny….but, because of your insistence on remaining ignorant, can have a laugh AT you.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God will bring with him.