22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[dad]

Explain how covenant and covenant are different things.
Explain how many and many are different things.
Explain why you're unable to find antichrist confirming a covenant with many in the New Testament.

That is when he sets up the abomination of desolation. Right in the middle of the week. We are also given the months days and years.

There is no agreement broken anywhere. There is exclusively a covenant confirmed in the Blood of Messiah the Prince.

We know that there is a covenant broken and when it gets broken. No possibility that it is any other time but at the end of the world.

 

[WPM]

Why are you telling me this? Obviously Jesus is the Messiah.

Except that is rubbish, of course there is. Jesus made no covenant for seven years and broke it. Jesus will not come except that man of sin be revealed first.

The first coming. The years pointed exactly to the life of Jesus. No mystery there.

The first number of years is about His first coming obviously.

Daniel 9:26

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off


No, all must be completed before He returns including the man of sin and the covenant broken, abomination of desolation etc. That has to happen before the final consummation or destruction.




What dates? Are you talking about the years till Jesus came and was cut off?

(1) The first part (7 weeks) relates to the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The angel said of the first aspect relating to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, in the first seven weeks, “the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”
(2) The second part (62 weeks) takes up to the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.
(3) The third part (1 week) commences with the start of Christ’s earthly ministry and sees the crucifixion half way through it (3 ½ yrs). The other 3 ½ yrs saw the Church receive its baptism of fire at Pentecost and enter into the fulfilment of advancing the Gospel – the nations now being open to the Gospel, unlike before.

The question the futurists must answer is, is there any division in time between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks?

The answer, of course, is a categorical NO!

 

[dad]

Can you give me another example in Scripture of such a decapitation of a harmonious time-period - like where God says 7 days and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 days, or 7 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 years, or 70 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 70 years? Anything?

Look up the word translated as week.

Brown-Driver-Briggs'
1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week

1a) period of seven days, a week

1a1) Feast of Weeks

1b) heptad, seven (of years)

Strong's
Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week (specifically of years): - seven, week.


In case anyone was a little confused or thick, we are given the days in other places, and months as well as the years for that last period.

 

[WPM]

That is when he sets up the abomination of desolation. Right in the middle of the week. We are also given the months days and years.


We know that there is a covenant broken and when it gets broken. No possibility that it is any other time but at the end of the world.

Where does it say it is broken? Your teachers have taught you wrong.

 

[WPM]

Look up the word translated as week.

Brown-Driver-Briggs'
1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week

1a) period of seven days, a week

1a1) Feast of Weeks

1b) heptad, seven (of years)

Strong's
Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week (specifically of years): - seven, week.


In case anyone was a little confused or thick, we are given the days in other places, and months as well as the years for that last period.

Here we go again! Please stop avoiding my questions. Avoidance seems to be a popular Premil trait on these forums.

It is you that is decapitating the 70 weeks.

Can you give me another example in Scripture of such a decapitation of a harmonious time-period - like where God says 7 days and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 days, or 7 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 years, or 70 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 70 years? Anything?

 

[covenantee]

That is when he sets up the abomination of desolation. Right in the middle of the week. We are also given the months days and years.

The abomination of desolation is not a covenant. Messiah the Prince confirmed His Covenant in His Blood at Calvary in the middle of the 70th week.

We know that there is a covenant broken and when it gets broken. No possibility that it is any other time but at the end of the world.

The Covenant was confirmed, not broken, by Messiah the Prince, at Calvary in the middle of the 70th week.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why did God make the earthly nation of Israel and promise them that they would rule the world under their Messiah? ((Dan. 7: 26 & 27, Joel 3: 2, Micah 4: 1 - 3, Ez. 17: 22)

Jesus Christ Warned His Followers, Concerning Him Being On This Earth In A Millennium (Beware)

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The False Christ And False Prophet, Signs And Wonders Beware!

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[dad]

(3) The third part (1 week) commences with the start of Christ’s earthly ministry and sees the crucifixion half way through it (3 ½ yrs). The other 3 ½ yrs saw the Church receive its baptism of fire at Pentecost and enter into the fulfilment of advancing the Gospel – the nations now being open to the Gospel, unlike before.

The final destruction/consummation did not happen yet, let alone at Pentecost. That did bot bring in everlasting righteousness to Israel or earth.

The question the futurists must answer is, is there any division in time between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks?

Of course there is. Thing do not wrap up till after that man of sin comes in the end, and Jesus returns after that.

 

[dad]

Here we go again! Please stop avoiding my questions. Avoidance seems to be a popular Premil trait on these forums.

It is you that is decapitating the 70 weeks.

Can you give me another example in Scripture of such a decapitation of a harmonious time-period - like where God says 7 days and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 days, or 7 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 years, or 70 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 70 years? Anything?

There is no 'other' anything needed. The word used for week means years as I showed in the definition.

 

[dad]

The abomination of desolation is not a covenant. Messiah the Prince confirmed His Covenant in His Blood at Calvary in the middle of the 70th week.



The Covenant was confirmed, not broken, by Messiah the Prince, at Calvary in the middle of the 70th week.

No it was not, and the final utter destruction has not happened yet either. Everlasting righteousness is not here yet on earth or Israel either, notice? That final seven years is well spoken about and clearly noted in months and days and years. There is no excuse for being confused or utterly confused.

 

[covenantee]

No it was not, and the final utter destruction has not happened yet either. Everlasting righteousness is not here yet on earth or Israel either, notice? That final seven years is well spoken about and clearly noted in months and days and years. There is no excuse for being confused or utterly confused.

Messiah the Prince confirmed His Covenant and brought in everlasting righteousness at Calvary.

You claim that He is antichrist.

That's not merely confusion. It is blasphemy.

 

[Truth7t7]

The abomination of desolation is not a covenant. Messiah the Prince confirmed His Covenant in His Blood at Calvary in the middle of the 70th week.



The Covenant was confirmed, not broken, by Messiah the Prince, at Calvary in the middle of the 70th week.

Your claim the middle of the 70th week took place at Calvary in 33AD

Where (is/has/will) the last half of your 70th week take place?

 

[WPM]

The final destruction/consummation did not happen yet, let alone at Pentecost. That did bot bring in everlasting righteousness to Israel or earth.

The desolation of the temple lasts till the coming of Christ, the consummation (which you reject as the consummation).

Of course there is. Thing do not wrap up till after that man of sin comes in the end, and Jesus returns after that.

Ok, so how much space in time is there between the 7 weeks marker and the 8 weeks marker?

 

[WPM]

No it was not, and the final utter destruction has not happened yet either. Everlasting righteousness is not here yet on earth or Israel either, notice? That final seven years is well spoken about and clearly noted in months and days and years. There is no excuse for being confused or utterly confused.

LOL. Have a look at the temple mount, or get on a plane to Israel and you will the evidence.

 

[Truth7t7]

Messiah the Prince confirmed His Covenant and brought in everlasting righteousness at Calvary.

You claim that He is antichrist.

That's not merely confusion. It is blasphemy.

It's your claim the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ and I strongly disagree

Your using the word "Blasphemy" as a means of control in silencing objection to your claims, that I believe are false

You have claimed that pagan Roman's were God's people/agents in the 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem, I disagree to that also

 

[covenantee]

Your claim the middle of the 70th week took place at Calvary in 33AD

Where (is/has/will) the last half of your 70th week take place?

Link the post where I "claim the middle of the 70th week took place at Calvary in 33AD".

 

[WPM]

Your claim the middle of the 70th week took place at Calvary in 33AD

Where (is/has/will) the last half of your 70th week take place?

There is nothing described in Daniel 9 that necessarily needs to be fulfilled in the second 3 ½ years of the week. What this prophecy is essentially teaching is that those things predicted to occur in this prediction had to be completed within 70 weeks. It doesn't mean they had to take a full 70 weeks to complete. The 6 things predicted to be fulfilled in Christ obviously occurred in the first 3 ½ years of the week, mainly at the midpoint of it.

Saying all that, the Gospel message went out to Israel in the first 3 ½ years of the 70th week (as it had through the preceding ages), and bore significant fruit. After Christ's resurrection/ascent, there were 3 ½ years where the Church was shown to be protected before the persecution began after the 70th week (Revelation 12). The last 3 ½ yrs also saw the outworking of that atonement in faithful Israel (the remnant) with their baptism of fire for service at Pentecost in order to take the Gospel out to the darkened heathen world immediately after that.

This last 3 ½ yrs period ends with the stoning of Stephen and the subsequent persecution of the Church by Saul. Jesus then confronts Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9), and censures him for persecuting the Church. Saul is supernaturally converted, and changes his name to Paul. This happens in 34 AD. Through his conversion, the 70th week closes. Saul was then used as that notable tool to head-up the great commission to the Gentile world. Faithful Israel would then take the Gospel to the blinded nations.

 

[covenantee]

It's your claim the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ and I strongly disagree

Your using the word "Blasphemy" as a means of control in silencing objection to your claims, that I believe are false

You have claimed that pagan Roman's were God's people/agents in the 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem, I disagree to that also

Disagreement by someone who believes that grammatical antecedents are of the devil, is of no significance to me.

Disagreement by someone who believes that Christ is antichrist, is of no significance to me.

 

[Truth7t7]

The desolation of the temple last the coming of Christ, the consummation (which you reject as the consummation)



Ok, so how much space in time is there between the 7 weeks marker and the 62 weeks marker?

I fully agree with dad, as you have been clearly shown several times (The Consummation) didn't take place in your preterist 33AD Cross of Calvary, it's a future event as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 when the heavens and earth are dissolved by the Lord's fire (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[WPM]

There is no 'other' anything needed. The word used for week means years as I showed in the definition.

I am not disagreeing. You're not getting my questions. Please read them slowly. I am addressing your decapitation of a harmonious prophecy.

Can you give me another example in Scripture of such a decapitation of a harmonious time-period - like where God says 7 days and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 days, or 7 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 7 years, or 70 years and He didn't mean a linear, congruent and sequential 70 years? Anything?