When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Davidpt]

You lost me here. I don't know what you're trying to say. Sometimes you are impossible to follow and this is one of those times.' Can you try again?

What I'm trying to get to the bottom of here, this land in question, what is meant by it? IOW, how does God Himself want us to understand this land meant? In the literal sense or some other sense? Why this matters is because this very same land meant is the same land wherein their fathers have dwelt in the past. And that it is this very same land where they shall dwell in in the future, meaning these---even they, and their children, and their children's children.

And for how long shall they dwell therein? The text tells us that, right? It says this--for ever.

What must be asked now, why this particular piece of land, and why for forever? How can this land where their father's have dwelt not be meaning in the literal sense, but is to be understood in another sense, anything but the literal sense? And once we determine what sense it is meaning in, where we should be able to easily determine that via this--wherein their fathers have dwelt---we then have to apply 'for ever' to this land meant since it is this same land where, even they, and their children, and their children's children, shall be dwelling therein.

IOW, how can they dwell in this land forever unless this same land in question exists forever and that they remain in it forever? Obviously, you can't do something forever unless what you are trying to do forever, that it exists forever. Who has ever heard of such a thing, for example, once someone is in a land, and that they are in this land forever, that if at some point they are no longer in this land ever again for whatever reason, this still equals them being in and remaining in this land forever?

 

[grafted branch]

Peter also preached to Gentiles such as Cornelius and his family as Acts 10 shows, so this is an invalid argument.

The Galatian 2:9 agreement was made after Peter went to Cornelius.

The argument is very valid and by ignoring it problems arise like the one we’re discussing.

When were the Gentiles part of the diaspora?

 

[covenantee]

The Galatian 2:9 agreement was made after Peter went to Cornelius.

The argument is very valid and by ignoring it problems arise like the one we’re discussing.

When were the Gentiles part of the diaspora?

When they were Israelites.

Which they were from the beginning and throughout the entirety of the existence of the nation of Israel. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22; when in faith and obedience they complied with God's Covenant requirements.

 

[tailgator]

If they're not in the Church, then they're not in the Kingdom.

And they're not.

Daniel 7:27 refers to this Kingdom:

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

"Us" are we the people of the saints of the most High.

Translated into the Kingdom of His Dear Son.

His Church.

So you believe Christ is going to send forth his angels to cast the church into a furnace.Hmmm

Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Well,since you believe it is the church that is being cast into a furnace,then who are these who come from.the east and west to sit down in the kingdom.of heaven while the church is being cast out?


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”



You are saying the church is cast out of the kingdom of heaven are you not?

 

[covenantee]

So you believe Christ is going to send forth his angels to cast the church into a furnace.Hmmm

Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Well,since you believe it is the church that is being cast into a furnace,then who are these who come from.the east and west to sit down in the kingdom.of heaven while the church is being cast out?


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”



You are saying the church is cast out of the kingdom of heaven are you not?

So you believe that the Church is "all things that offend, and them which do iniquity"?

 

[tailgator]

If they're not in the Church, then they're not in the Kingdom.

And they're not.

Daniel 7:27 refers to this Kingdom:

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

"Us" are we the people of the saints of the most High.

Translated into the Kingdom of His Dear Son.

His Church.

Well,at least everyone from.the Euphrates river to the Nile will be holy.Thats all that matters

Isaiah 19

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

[tailgator]

So you believe that the Church is "all things that offend, and them which do iniquity"?

You said only the church is in the kingdom.
According to Jesus,the occupants of the kingdom will be replaced with peoples coming from.the east and the west.


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


The occupants of the kingdom are cast out.

 

[tailgator]

So you believe that the Church is "all things that offend, and them which do iniquity"?

PS
According to you.The church is the only people who can be cast out.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The word stranger is <3927> which simply means residing in a strange country. Those who were dispersed were residing in a strange country. If this isn’t referring to the Jews, then when were the Gentiles dispersed?

Also we know from Galatians 2:9 that James, Peter, and John had an agreement that they were to go to the circumcision and Paul and Baranabas to the heathen. This is an important piece of information that supports Peter writing to a Jewish audience. There is no evidence that this agreement was ever rescinded.

Jews don’t call fellow Jews strangers. Paul also referred to the Gentiles as strangers …
Ephesians 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

All the apostles were commanded by the Lord to preach the gospel to all peoples …

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Many of the early Christians were scattered because of persecution.

 

[grafted branch]

When they were Israelites.

Which they were from the beginning and throughout the entirety of the existence of the nation of Israel. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22; when in faith and obedience they complied with God's Covenant requirements.

So why was a different burden put on the Gentiles than the Jews in Acts 15:28-29? This different burden seemed good to the Holy Spirit.

 

[grafted branch]

Many of the early Christians were scattered because of persecution.

Would 1 Peter 1:1 be the only place they are called the diaspora?

 

[covenantee]

You said only the church is in the kingdom.
According to Jesus,the occupants of the kingdom will be replaced with peoples coming from.the east and the west.


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


The occupants of the kingdom are cast out.

There has always been a True Church, and an apostate church.

1 John 2
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Or these.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Who do you think is cast out?

 

[tailgator]

There has always been a True Church, and an apostate church.

1 John 2
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Or these.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Who do you think is cast out?

I've already said who will be cast out in about 4 years from now but you insist they are not in the kingdom.


I'n about 4 years the kingdom under heaven will be taken from the beast and given to the saints of God as God has promised Abraham so long ago.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[tailgator]

There has always been a True Church, and an apostate church.

1 John 2
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Or these.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Who do you think is cast out?

PS

You do understand what land God promised to give to Abraham for an everlasting possession dont you?


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


Abraham was never given the land God had promised to give him.though Abraham is now buried in it.

 

[covenantee]

I've already said who will be cast out in about 4 years from now but you insist they are not in the kingdom.


I'n about 4 years the kingdom under heaven will be taken from the beast and given to the saints of God as God has promised Abraham so long ago.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Colossians 1:13 is written in the past and present tense, thus in effect beginning 2,000 years ago.

You disagree with it?

 

[covenantee]

You do understand what land God promised to give to Abraham for an everlasting possession dont you?

You do understand that all of the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, and that Christ is the Sole Heir of all things, don't you?

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

[tailgator]

Colossians 1:13 is written in the past and present tense, thus in effect beginning 2,000 years ago.

You disagree with it?

I am speaking of the kingdom which is to come.
Not of the holy spirit which is in me.

The kingdom which is to come when Christ comes is established in the land which was promised to Abraham for an everlasting possession.A kingdom upon earth.Abraham never received the land of Canaan which was promised to him for an everlasting possession.Same as the kingdom.undrrsr heaven in the following verses.An everlasting kingdom under heaven.


This kingdom under heaven.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[covenantee]

So why was a different burden put on the Gentiles than the Jews in Acts 15:28-29? This different burden seemed good to the Holy Spirit.

Did that impede the proclamation and reception of the Gospel to and by the Gentiles?

 

[covenantee]

I am speaking of the kingdom which is to come.

There is no kingdom which is to come in Colossians 1:13.

It's been here since Christ proclaimed it at His first coming.

 

[tailgator]

You do understand that all of the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, and that Christ is the Sole Heir of all things, don't you?

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Christ is not reigning in the land of Israel at the moment.Benjsmin netanyahu is.

Christ is promised a throne in the land of Israel.
The following has not been fulfilled and Abraham has still not been given that land.



Ezekiel 37
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.