When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

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I agree it happened in the first century........but also, as Solomon wrote, "what has been will be again". And Mystery Babylon (that great city Jerusalem) reaps a double destruction. Also says in Isaiah that Israel pays double for her sins. If she is going to double-down on rejecting the Lamb of God and corrupting the pure word of truth with Babylonian Talmudism by rebuilding this new Temple that God had struck down, and the resumption of animal sacrifices, I don't believe that is going to end well for the Jews or for Christians who become caught up in the deception. There is a prominent political person who is enthusiastically received by both Jews and Christians alike right now.........we need to be sober and alert and do not let our hearts be caught up with idolizing anyone and placing our trust in man.

Why did Jesus have to tell the Jews that His kingdom comes not with their careful observation but is within/among them? We are not looking for utopia on this earth. God's kingdom is heavenly/spiritual, not earthly. This is one reason the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah, because they were expecting an earthly physical political kind of salvation and kingdom led by a flesh and blood king. Looking carefully at 2 Peter 3 we see that the thousand years is likened to the time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation (meaning time for souls to be saved).....which time we are in now. Jesus is ruling/reigning now is He not?
The Jews were looking for the kingdom the word of God says would be established in the land of Israel forever .


Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.



What many do not understand is,this kingdom is not established on earth till Christ second advent when he raises israel.up out of their graves.


Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
 

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The Israelites possessing the land and inheriting the earth is that talking to the church about temporal real estate that is going to burn up or a spiritual/heavenly kingdom that is eternal?
Who makes up God’s Israel? Who is the Nation of Kings and Priests that shall reign on earth?

Revelation 5:9-10

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9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1 Peter 2:9-10

King James Version

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Peter in the above is talking about the Gentiles who were in times past “not a people” but now they have been grafted into Gods Holy Nation of Israel by the Holy Spirit.
 

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The Jews were looking for the kingdom the word of God says would be established in the land of Israel forever .


Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
That was until they realized they should instead be looking for "a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God" and not men. They realized they should be looking for "a better country, that is, an heavenly".

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
 
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I reject your intrerpretations of the words of the Lord.


I do NOT reject scripture and it is foolish for you to say so. I already addressed this. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The few left are believers who will be changed to have immortal bodies. It does not say that there will be few mortal unbelievers left. That is ridiculous. No mortal can survive fire coming down on the entire earth. Your view defies all logic and reason.


LOL. You're not even thinking! The ones who escape His wrath are believer who will be made bodily immortal! What mortal unbeliever will survive? Does 2 Thess 1:7-10 not make it clear that He will take vengeance on all who don't know God and don't obey the gospel? What unbeliever doesn't fit that description? Tell me who these supposed mortal survivors are and why they would survive God's wrath. You need to address this if you want to be taken seriously.


This is utter nonsense! That is talking about believers, not unbelievers! What would make Jesus only destroy most unbelievers other than a few? Explain that if you want to be taken seriously.


The ones that survive are believers. You're not even thinking about who those few people would be. Scripture says "many are called, but few are chosen" (Matt 22:14). It is the few who are chosen/saved that will survive His coming and no one else. You can't be mortal and survive fire coming down on you. Think!


LOL! No unbelievers did! That's the point! Open your spiritual eyes and unplug your spiritual ears! Just as in Noah's day with the flood, only believers will survive Christ's second coming while no unbelievers will. And believers will be changed to have immortal bodies at that point. This leaves no mortals to populate an imaginary earthly kingdom after Christ returns. He said His kingdom does not come with observation and is not of this world (Luke 17:20, John 18:36), so YOU are the one who does not accept what scripture teaches.


LOL. Look in the mirror. And what do you mean "call themselves Christians". Are you saying you think I'm not a Christian? Yes or no. If you don't think so, then you have a more serious problem than just believing a false end times doctrine. You also have an issue of not understanding what it means to be a Christian because making one's end times doctrine a part of determining whether someone is a Christian or not is not taught anywhere in scripture.
That is why there is no need for further discussion with you. Bye!
 

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That is why there is no need for further discussion with you. Bye!
This is what often happens. When someone has their view challenged and are not prepared to defend their premil doctrine, they run away with their tail between their legs instead of dealing with scripture honestly. This is nothing new.
 

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This is what often happens. When someone has their view challenged and are not prepared to defend their premil doctrine, they run away with their tail between their legs instead of dealing with scripture honestly. This is nothing new.
I’ve shown you multiple verses of scripture that prove you are in error, but you always have a reason NOT to believe them. There is no point in carrying on a discussion if you are constantly going to reject the words of God.

Believe what YOU will.
 

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The Jews were looking for the kingdom the word of God says would be established in the land of Israel forever .
They were looking in all the wrong places.

Acts 13
27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Because the kingdom was taken from them and given to a Holy Nation.

The Church.

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
 
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I’ve shown you multiple verses of scripture that prove you are in error, but you always have a reason NOT to believe them. There is no point in carrying on a discussion if you are constantly going to reject the words of God.

Believe what YOU will.
You are unwilling to address my interpretations of those passages and you won't address the other passages that I bring up. So, you'd rather just run away with your tail between your legs than deal with passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 which teach that no unbelievers will escape God's wrath when Jesus comes. No mortal survivors. Believers will have immortal bodies at that point.
 

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So, you'd rather just run away with your tail between your legs than deal with passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 which teach that no unbelievers will escape God's wrath when Jesus comes. No mortal survivors. Believers will have immortal bodies at that point.
I’m not running away, I am just going to leave you alone per the instructions of the Lord.

Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
 

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I’m not running away, I am just going to leave you alone per the instructions of the Lord.

Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
You won't address scriptures that I bring up. You acted like you addressed 2 Peter 3:10-12, but it was an incredibly weak argument. That passage very clearly shows the entire earth being burned up when Jesus returns. But, you think some mortals will survive that? Tell me how exactly and why? What would make God want to spare those unbelievers and not the rest?

Also, that verse (Matt 15:14) refers to unbelieving hypocritical Pharisees! You are way out of line to compare someone like me who worships Jesus Christ as my God and Savior to the Pharisees who rejected Him and had Him killed. You are judging/condemning me by doing that and you will be judged by the same measure you are judging me if you don't repent of this (Matt 7:1-2).
 

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That was until they realized they should instead be looking for "a city which hath foundations, whose builder and make is God" and not men. They realized they should be looking for "a better country, that is, an heavenly".

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

What about this verse, though?

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

God is obviously speaking through Ezekiel here. Obviously, since God is not a liar nor do any of us think He is, thus God knows what He is talking about here, shouldn't we at least be asking ourselves some questions here based on what God said, before we decide how to interpret what He said?

Questions, such as.

And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt

What land that He gave unto Jacob His sevant? Literal land with literal borders? Or meaning land in some other sense, IOW not meaning in the literal sense? Why this might matter is simple. Look what the text goes on to say--wherein your fathers have dwelt. Where is that meaning? In some literal land with literal borders somewhere on this planet? Or is it meaning land in another sense, IOW anything but literal land since literal land can't be meant here?

With all of the above in mind, what does the text go on to say?

and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever

Obviously, more questions are required since this is obviously pertaining to the very same land wherein their fathers have dwelt.

The first question that comes to mind, who's fathers? Fathers of Gentiles? Surely not, right? Therefore, the fathers of Jews have to be meant here. If we take this to be meaning literal land, for instance, and take it to have been fulfilled once Jerusalem was rebuilt prior to Christ coming, well what about 70 AD, though? How can what happened in 70 AD equal this--and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever?

Obviously, and even you wouldn't dispute this, for ever simply can't fit a finite period of time, such as up until 70 AD. No one in their right mind would argue that that is the same thing as saying for ever. No it isn't. For ever obviously requires a literal undending age, something this present age can never be, ever.

How can Amils even suggest they are interpreting this passage correctly if to interpret it correctly means it has to be involving literal land with literal borders, thus can't even fit with how Amils view things over all?
 

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What about this verse, though?

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

God is obviously speaking through Ezekiel here. Obviously, since God is not a liar nor do any of us think He is, thus God knows what He is talking about here, shouldn't we at least be asking ourselves some questions here based on what God said, before we decide how to interpret what He said?
Yes, it's always "but, what saith the OT scriptures" for premillennialists. Let's not rely on NT scripture to shine light on it or anything. Let's just act as if the NT doesn't exist.

Questions, such as.

And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt

What land that He gave unto Jacob His sevant? Literal land with literal borders? Or meaning land in some other sense, IOW not meaning in the literal sense? Why this might matter is simple. Look what the text goes on to say--wherein your fathers have dwelt. Where is that meaning? In some literal land with literal borders somewhere on this planet? Or is it meaning land in another sense, IOW anything but literal land since literal land can't be meant here?

With all of the above in mind, what does the text go on to say?

and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever

Obviously, more questions are required since this is obviously pertaining to the very same land wherein their fathers have dwelt.

The first question that comes to mind, who's fathers? Fathers of Gentiles? Surely not, right? Therefore, the fathers of Jews have to be meant here. If we take this to be meaning literal land, for instance, and take it to have been fulfilled once Jerusalem was rebuilt prior to Christ coming, well what about 70 AD, though? How can what happened in 70 AD equal this--and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever?

Obviously, and even you wouldn't dispute this, for ever simply can't fit a finite period of time, such as up until 70 AD. No one in their right mind would argue that that is the same thing as saying for ever. No it isn't. For ever obviously requires a literal undending age, something this present age can never be, ever.

How can Amils even suggest they are interpreting this passage correctly if to interpret it correctly means it has to be involving literal land with literal borders, thus can't even fit with how Amils view things over all?
You lost me here. I don't know what you're trying to say. Sometimes you are impossible to follow and this is one of those times.' Can you try again?
 

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They were looking in all the wrong places.

Acts 13
27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Because the kingdom was taken from them and given to a Holy Nation.

The Church.

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Actually they are in the kingdom now.
It will be taken from them and given to the saints in about 4 years from now.But before it is given to the saints,the saints will suffer persecution for 3.5 years.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
 

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Peter in the above is talking about the Gentiles who were in times past “not a people” but now they have been grafted into Gods Holy Nation of Israel by the Holy Spirit.
I agree that the Israel of God contains both Jew and Gentiles but 1 Peter 2:9-10 isn’t directly referring to that.

The Jews were not a people in times past when they were in the diaspora, 1 Peter 1:1 to the strangers scattered (<1290> diaspora) … 1 Peter 2:10 doesn’t say “in times past we’re not God’s people”, it says “were not a people” as in not all together in their nation.

In Hosea 2:22-23 the Jews scattering becomes a sowing, the name Jezreel means "God sows", two Israelites.

Back to 1 Peter 2:10, the diaspora, scattered, and sown Jews are now the people of God along with the Gentiles. They obtain mercy as stated in Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Jump to 1 Peter 2:12 and we have the statement “Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles:”. If Gentiles were the primary audience to whom Peter wrote to in verse 10 then verse 12 makes no sense.
 

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I agree that the Israel of God contains both Jew and Gentiles but 1 Peter 2:9-10 isn’t directly referring to that.

The Jews were not a people in times past when they were in the diaspora, 1 Peter 1:1 to the strangers scattered (<1290> diaspora) … 1 Peter 2:10 doesn’t say “in times past we’re not God’s people”, it says “were not a people” as in not all together in their nation.

In Hosea 2:22-23 the Jews scattering becomes a sowing, the name Jezreel means "God sows", two Israelites.

Back to 1 Peter 2:10, the diaspora, scattered, and sown Jews are now the people of God along with the Gentiles. They obtain mercy as stated in Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Jump to 1 Peter 2:12 and we have the statement “Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles:”. If Gentiles were the primary audience to whom Peter wrote to in verse 10 then verse 12 makes no sense.
I disagree because Peter would not call fellow Jews “strangers” that is a term they used to refer to the Gentiles.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,”

Also notice what Peter say here….

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:”

Peter in the above is speaking of how the prophets prophesied of salvation coming to the Gentiles.



10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

The Lord referred to the Gentiles as “not a people”

Deuteronomy 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Romans 10:19-20

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19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.”
 

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I disagree because Peter would not call fellow Jews “strangers” that is a term they used to refer to the Gentiles.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,”

Also notice what Peter say here….

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:”

Peter in the above is speaking of how the prophets prophesied of salvation coming to the Gentiles.



10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

The Lord referred to the Gentiles as “not a people”

Deuteronomy 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Romans 10:19-20​

King James Version​

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.”
The word stranger is <3927> which simply means residing in a strange country. Those who were dispersed were residing in a strange country. If this isn’t referring to the Jews, then when were the Gentiles dispersed?

Also we know from Galatians 2:9 that James, Peter, and John had an agreement that they were to go to the circumcision and Paul and Baranabas to the heathen. This is an important piece of information that supports Peter writing to a Jewish audience. There is no evidence that this agreement was ever rescinded.
 

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I agree that the Israel of God contains both Jew and Gentiles but 1 Peter 2:9-10 isn’t directly referring to that.

The Jews were not a people in times past when they were in the diaspora, 1 Peter 1:1 to the strangers scattered (<1290> diaspora) … 1 Peter 2:10 doesn’t say “in times past we’re not God’s people”, it says “were not a people” as in not all together in their nation.

In Hosea 2:22-23 the Jews scattering becomes a sowing, the name Jezreel means "God sows", two Israelites.

Back to 1 Peter 2:10, the diaspora, scattered, and sown Jews are now the people of God along with the Gentiles. They obtain mercy as stated in Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Jump to 1 Peter 2:12 and we have the statement “Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles:”. If Gentiles were the primary audience to whom Peter wrote to in verse 10 then verse 12 makes no sense.
No, 1 Peter 2:9-10 is definitely referring to the church.

1 Peter 2:12 is not referring to non-Jew Gentiles, but rather to non-Christian heathen or pagans. It is translated from the Greek word "ethnos" which has several different definitions. The KJV got that one wrong.

1 Peter 2:12 (NIV): Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

Compare this:

1 Peter 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.

That's a clear reference to the church consisting of Jew and Gentile believers like what Paul described here:

Ephesians 2:19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
 

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The word stranger is <3927> which simply means residing in a strange country. Those who were dispersed were residing in a strange country. If this isn’t referring to the Jews, then when were the Gentiles dispersed?

Also we know from Galatians 2:9 that James, Peter, and John had an agreement that they were to go to the circumcision and Paul and Baranabas to the heathen. This is an important piece of information that supports Peter writing to a Jewish audience. There is no evidence that this agreement was ever rescinded.
Peter also preached to Gentiles such as Cornelius and his family as Acts 10 shows, so this is an invalid argument.
 

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We will inherit the earth after it has been renewed by Christ for eternity (2 Peter 3:10-13). Peter said we are looking for "new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwell", not for a temporal earthly kingdom. What a letdown it would be to inherit the earth only to have it later burned up. No, the burning up and renewing of the earth happens when Christ returns on the day of the Lord.

Can you give your interpretation of this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
If you all can think deep enough in the Holy Spirit, aka the mind of Christ, you will discover just exactly what the NEW "earth" is, that Jesus inherited,....along with Eternal Life.
Hmmm....are you thinking??
Where would it be necessary for the "Righteousness of God" to permanently dwell?
In an earth? Or in that which is OF earth?
John 2:18-21

Heb. 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

2 Cor. 4

[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


Do you dare to believe it?
 
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Actually they are in the kingdom now.
It will be taken from them and given to the saints in about 4 years from now.But before it is given to the saints,the saints will suffer persecution for 3.5 years.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
If they're not in the Church, then they're not in the Kingdom.

And they're not.

Daniel 7:27 refers to this Kingdom:

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

"Us" are we the people of the saints of the most High.

Translated into the Kingdom of His Dear Son.

His Church.