When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Earburner]

I understand that’s your position but believers don’t look at the cross as an abomination, they see it as a wonderful, marvelous gift that God has given us.

In 164+/- BC, The prophesied event of the AoD was fulfilled by the "little horn", Antiochus Epiphanes IV, against Israel and their temple.

Jesus used that fulfilled prophecy in typology, to point to Himself, warning that when they see Him as the "living temple" that was going to be made desolate [destroyed], then all in Judea should flee to the mountains, due to the wrath of God to come, for their disbelief in their Messiah.
In 70 AD, that wrath came upon Jerusalem and their temple, through the Romans, never to be built again, even unto the consummation, aka the end of time.

Because the "Lamb of God" was God's sacrifice for sin, and would be rejected of by Israel, the determined time of 70 weeks of years (490) was upon Daniel's people Israel only. There is no other real or typified AoD to come again.

 

[Earburner]

Right, God Himself may view it as an abomination but we believers don’t. The instructions in Matthew 24:15 says “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation”. It doesn’t say when Gods sees the abomination. We believers don’t see the cross as an abomination, therefore Matthew 24 can’t be referring to the cross.

You are looking at today, long after the event of what God has DONE.
If you were in that time, at His cross, as a believer and a follower of Him, I dare say that you also would see His mortal death as an abomination. But, to the believers then and now, His Resurrection cured all that, for all believers.

 

[covenantee]

In 164+/- BC, The prophesied event of the AoD was fulfilled by the "little horn", Antiochus Epiphanes IV, against Israel and their temple.

Jesus used that fulfilled prophecy in typology, to point to Himself, warning that when they see Him as the "living temple" that was going to be made desolate [destroyed], then all in Judea should flee to the mountains, due to the wrath of God to come, for their disbelief in their Messiah.
In 70 AD, that wrath came upon Jerusalem and their temple, through the Romans, never to be built again, even unto the consummation, aka the end of time.

Because the "Lamb of God" was God's sacrifice for sin, and would be rejected of by Israel, the determined time of 70 weeks of years (490) was upon Daniel's people Israel only. There is no other real or typified AoD to come again.

Luke 21:20-21 warned of the desolation of Jerusalem, not of Christ.

By the AoD, the Roman armies.

That was the warning whose recognition triggered the Judaean Christians' flight.

 

[Earburner]

Luke 21:20-21 warned of the desolation of Jerusalem, not of Christ.

By the AoD, the Roman armies.

That was the warning whose recognition triggered the Judaean Christians' flight.

In John 2, Jesus specifically said what would be destroyed and restored, before 70 AD., of which came upon Israel for disbelief.

 

[grafted branch]

In 164+/- BC, The prophesied event of the AoD was fulfilled by the "little horn", Antiochus Epiphanes IV, against Israel and their temple.

Jesus used that fulfilled prophecy in typology, to point to Himself, warning that when they see Him as the "living temple" that was going to be made desolate [destroyed], then all in Judea should flee to the mountains, due to the wrath of God to come, for their disbelief in their Messiah.
In 70 AD, that wrath came upon Jerusalem and their temple, through the Romans, never to be built again, even unto the consummation, aka the end of time.

Because the "Lamb of God" was God's sacrifice for sin, and would be rejected of by Israel, the determined time of 70 weeks of years (490) was upon Daniel's people Israel only. There is no other real or typified AoD to come again.

Alright, if Jesus was the typology then He removed the daily sacrifice when He forgave sins prior to the cross, right?



Matthew 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? 6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

 

[grafted branch]

You are looking at today, long after the event of what God has DONE.
If you were in that time, at His cross, as a believer and a follower of Him, I dare say that you also would see His mortal death as an abomination. But, to the believers then and now, His Resurrection cured all that, for all believers.

Well Matthew 21:42 was spoken prior to the cross and Jesus said at that time it was marvelous in our eyes. There was no reason to think that didn’t apply to those at that time.

 

[Earburner]

Luke 21:20-21 warned of the desolation of Jerusalem, not of Christ.

By the AoD, the Roman armies.

That was the warning whose recognition triggered the Judaean Christians' flight.

There is a four way confusion of understanding, that keeps clouding the issues of three solid facts.
#1 Fact: The AoD by Antiochus Epiphanes.
#2 Fact: The AoD of Jesus' Living mortal temple.
#3 Fact: The AoD by the Romans.
#4 Fiction: The AoD of a rebuilt temple in Israel.

Maybe you can straighten it out, by the wisdom of men, in the following site:

What is the Olivet Discourse? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Olivet Discourse? What does the Olivet Discourse teach us about the end times?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Earburner]

Alright, if Jesus was the typology then He removed the daily sacrifice when He forgave sins prior to the cross, right?



Matthew 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? 6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Sins were forgiven by Jesus, Yes!! But for the removal of sins, that only could be done after the shedding of His blood on the cross. In that moment, now all future animal sacrifices would be an abomination against the shed blood of Christ.

 

[grafted branch]

Sins were forgiven by Jesus, Yes!! But for the removal of sins, that only could be done after the shedding of His blood on the cross. In that moment, now all future animal sacrifices would be an abomination against the shed blood of Christ.

Yea, but we’re talking about Jesus being the typology. The daily sacrifice was no longer necessary for the man sick of the palsy in Matthew 9:6. It didn’t matter whether that man participated in the physical daily sacrifices or not, his sins were forgiven.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Jesus forgiving sins prior to the cross would be the typology of the daily sacrifice being taken away, yet that doesn’t mesh with Daniel 11:31.

 

[covenantee]

In John 2, Jesus specifically said what would be destroyed and restored, before 70 AD., of which came upon Israel for disbelief.

In Luke 21, Jesus specifically said that Jerusalem would be destroyed.

It was destroyed, in 70 AD.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The AOD is an event, not a He.

Wrong!

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


It isa a he and a thing! The he is the antichrist when he fulfills

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And the it is:

Revelation 13:14-15

King James Version

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14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

But I will give you the chance to explain what event that took place in 70 Ad that fulfilled the Matthew prophecy:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Please cite from history the event that took place that caused all the events of 16-21 to take place.

 

[covenantee]

There is a four way confusion of understanding, that keeps clouding the issues of three solid facts.
#1 Fact: The AoD by Antiochus Epiphanes.
#2 Fact: The AoD of Jesus' Living mortal temple.
#3 Fact: The AoD by the Romans.
#4 Fiction: The AoD of a rebuilt temple in Israel.

Maybe you can straighten it out, by the wisdom of men, in the following site:

What is the Olivet Discourse? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Olivet Discourse? What does the Olivet Discourse teach us about the end times?

www.gotquestions.org

#1 Fact: The AoD of the Roman armies.
#2 Fact: The AoD appeared more than 30 years after Jesus ascended.
#3 Fact: True.
#4 Fiction: True.

 

[covenantee]

It isa a he and a thing! The he is the antichrist when he fulfills

So you believe that Christ is antichrist.

Such are the blasphemies of modernist dispensational desecration.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Wrong!

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus confirmed the New Covenant, and Jesus announced to Jerusalem that its house was to be made desolate

Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

This is when the Roman army came, and put in place (fulfilled) the destruction of the Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their own eyes.

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The AOD being “set up” means when it is “put in place” or “fulfilled”. The time mentioned there is not to be taken at face value, as it is a “sign” of time.

It isa a he and a thing! The he is the antichrist when he fulfills

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Paul is not talking about the destruction of the Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their own eyes. Paul is talking the Temple of the body. I just posted a thread on this prophecy of the falling away from the faith and the Mystery of iniquity.

And the it is:

Revelation 13:14-15​

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King James Version​

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14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

That prophecy is about the false prophet spirit that has been around for thousands of years working in many deceivers as was prophesied.

But I will give you the chance to explain what event that took place in 70 Ad that fulfilled the Matthew prophecy:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Please cite from history the event that took place that caused all the events of 16-21 to take place.

Look at this verse here in all 3 gospel accounts “Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:”

This is when the destruction of the Temple Mount and Jerusalem took place. This time begins the countdown of time of 1260 days ( sign of time) which would be completed when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.

Luke’s account is the best account that shows this end point of the fulness of the Gentiles. It shall be marked by the signs in the sun, moon, and stars. ( 6th seal signs)

 

[Earburner]

#1 Fact: The AoD of the Roman armies.
#2 Fact: The AoD appeared more than 30 years after Jesus ascended.
#3 Fact: True.
#4 Fiction: True.

So then, you do agree with the site that I referenced.
Did you know that for every person that has lived their lifetime, since Jesus Ascended, was a potential Temple of the Living God to permanently dwell in?

If a person never had the permanency of God's Holy Spirit dwelling within them, seated on the throne of their heart, who was it that was seated in the "earthen vessel" of their bodies, if it wasn't God?
Mat. 13
[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the [saved] children of the kingdom; but the tares [the unsaved] are the children of the wicked one;
Rom. 8:9 applies here.

Let's not talk about a fictional, future temple in Israel to be built again, or another AoD, when the spiritual truth is glaring us all in the face.

 

[Earburner]

In Luke 21, Jesus specifically said that Jerusalem would be destroyed.

It was destroyed, in 70 AD.

I certainly agree!
But no one here knows why or how it came to pass. That lack of understanding is due to misinterpreting and misapplying the 70 week prophecy. In their blindness, they refuse to see that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week, all 7 years of it.

 

[covenantee]

I certainly agree!
But no one here knows why or how it came to pass. That lack of understanding is due to misinterpreting and misapplying the 70 week prophecy. In their blindness, they refuse to see that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week, all 7 years of it.

And I certainly agree!

The decapitation of the 70th week is an absurdity Scripturally, prophetically, chronologically, exegetically, logically, and numerically.

It is patent nonsense.

 

[Earburner]

Yea, but we’re talking about Jesus being the typology. The daily sacrifice was no longer necessary for the man sick of the palsy in Matthew 9:6. It didn’t matter whether that man participated in the physical daily sacrifices or not, his sins were forgiven.

BUT,....he was not removed from his sins, nor his sins from him (remission).
We are only removed/separated from our sins by the shed blood of Christ.
Mat. 26
[28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Also known as to be made holy, to be set apart.

 

[grafted branch]

BUT,....he was not removed from his sins, nor his sins from him (remission).
We are only removed/separated from our sins by the shed blood of Christ.
Mat. 26
[28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Also known as to be made holy, to be set apart.

The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. There can be no doubt that Jesus had the power to forgive sins prior to the cross, else He lied, and we both know that’s an impossibility.

Daniel 12:11 says from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. You could claim Jesus took the daily sacrifice away when He started His ministry, and this could fit with Daniel 12:11, and also Hebrews 10:9 where He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. But … none of this would be a typology of what Antiochus did.

Personally I see too many problems with the events of the cross being the abomination of desolation.

 

[Earburner]

The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. There can be no doubt that Jesus had the power to forgive sins prior to the cross, else He lied, and we both know that’s an impossibility.

Daniel 12:11 says from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. You could claim Jesus took the daily sacrifice away when He started His ministry, and this could fit with Daniel 12:11, and also Hebrews 10:9 where He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. But … none of this would be a typology of what Antiochus did.

Personally I see too many problems with the events of the cross being the abomination of desolation.

Yes, the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world, but that was in God's mind to be physically accomplished in the future. It was the plan of the Godhead, before the creation of man, that Jesus would be made to be flesh, to be the Savior for all who believe in him..
Heb. 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

"The abomination that maketh (Strongs-H8074) desolate"- Dan. 11:31, 12:11, is not an abomination to us, or towards us, but rather towards God the Father. There are seven abominations UNTO the LORD, that HE "hates". Proverbs 6:16-19.
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

In those verses in Proverbs, God originally said there were six abominations that HE hated, but then added in the seventh.
Which abomination applied to the Jews, in what they did to Christ their Messiah?
Clue: see verse 17.