Earburner
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Yes their "house" of themselves, are desolate! - void of God, abandoned, left alone, being without God.
The sacrificial death of Jesus, supercedes and ended the temple sacrifices of animals.
When was the A.O.D fulfilled?
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The sacrificial death of Jesus, supercedes and ended the temple sacrifices of animals.
Luke declares otherwise.
I believe Luke.
The Judaean Christians believed Luke.
You should believe Luke.
Earburner
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Believe what you will. Church-ianity and it's doctrines "by the wisdom of men, and not by the power/authority of the Holy Spirit", has you filled to the brim. 1 Cor. 2:5
Earburner
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I believe all four gospel accounts, especially John 2:18-21, whereby Jesus used Daniel's AoD in typology, just as he did with Jonah and the whale.
I gave you the scriptures that have both the transgression of desolation and the abomination of desolation in them.
Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Why does Matthew 21:42 call it marvelous in our eyes instead of an abomination in our eyes?
Earburner
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Correct!!! It's the dichotomy of God's Holiness and His love for us, who are 100% UNholy, having NO love towards God. John 3:16.
The only "house" that God is talking about, and desires to live WITHIN, is that of our "earthen vessels". The scriptures plainly tell us that God, who is a Spirit, does not live in buildings made by hands. Unknowingly, to us, through faith in the sacrificial shed blood of Jesus, He alone is our treasure.
2 Cor. 4:7; Rom. 8:8-9.
Earburner
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It is indeed marvelous in the eyes of those who have heard His voice, and then repent towards Him, through faith in Jesus, by being born again of His Holy Spirit.
It cannot be reckoned as marvelous in those who do not hear His voice.
Rev. 3
[20] Behold, I stand at the door [of our hearts], and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door [of their innermost being], I will come in to him, and will sup [live] with him, and he [live] with me.
[21] To him that overcometh [become "born again"] will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
[22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rom. 8:8-9; 1 John 5:12-13.
But God did not destroy the Temple of Jesus’ body, God destroyed the brick and mortar Temple in Jerusalem.
Earburner
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And that right there is the deceptive trick of our human minds. The term "Olivet Discourse" has been formed into a concept and then a doctrine of belief, for "religious guidance", apart from the guidance of the Holy Spirit, aka the mind of Christ within us.
1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [authority] of God.
Earburner
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Better yet, what did the Jews do to the Living MORTAL Temple of God's dwelling place, who is Jesus?
Make no mistake, the mortal temple body of Jesus was destroyed and killed dead (desolated), yet He Himself who was/is Eternal (a Quickening Spirit) can never die, and thus was resurrected unto New and Immortal, Eternal Life.
Yes, even God the Father had forsaken Jesus (being void of God), while his mortal body was dieing on the cross, as the FINAL sacrificial sin bearer of the whole world. But, then afterwards, God the Father rejoined Him in his resurrection, and NOW is Eternally within the Immortal body of Jesus, by His Spirit.
Mat. 27
[24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
By those words alone, they literally invited God's wrath upon their temple building, their city, themselves, and all future generations.
Dan. 9
[27] And he [Jesus] shall confirm the [NEW] covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the week [3.5 years] he [Jesus] shall cause [make] the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [be ended], and [but] for the overspreading of abominations [the continuance of animal sacrifices for sin] he [Jesus] shall make it [the temple building] desolate [destroyed], even until the consummation [the end of the world], and that "determined" [Dan. 9:24, the six works of God] shall be poured upon the desolate [those who are void of God].
Acts 10
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Those who do not believe in the Word of God are condemned already.
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
Ok, so when Matthew 24:15 says “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation”, that particular statement and the instructions that follow aren’t meant for believers? Since believers will see it as marvelous but unbelievers will see it as an abomination?
Earburner
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Correct!
It is quite apparent that most Jews then, as well as now, DO NOT believe that Jesus Himself is the Word of God made flesh.
John 1[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Earburner
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Jesus was pointing to the day of His cross, of when the Temple of His mortal body would be made desolate (void of God) and destroyed for three days, then Rise again into New Life.
I understand that’s your position but believers don’t look at the cross as an abomination, they see it as a wonderful, marvelous gift that God has given us.
Earburner
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Remember who also was a witness to that which He detests already. The LORD God the Father Himself views that "hands that shed innocent blood, is an abomination unto HIM."
Prov. 6:17.
Right, God Himself may view it as an abomination but we believers don’t. The instructions in Matthew 24:15 says “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation”. It doesn’t say when Gods sees the abomination. We believers don’t see the cross as an abomination, therefore Matthew 24 can’t be referring to the cross.
It took place on Olivet, and it was a discourse.
What trick is that?
Its description doesn't make it a doctrine.
What do you think it should be called?
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