When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Stewardofthemystery]

The one flock is made up of scattered Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles are the nations of the world, they aren’t scattered to even more nations somewhere beyond that.

I’m not arguing against Jew and Gentiles alike being part of the Royal Priesthood.

But once born again a Gentile is no longer a “Gentile”(uncircumcised in heart/mind) according to the Spirit.

Ephesians 2:11-13

King James Version

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time “past”Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

And a Jew in not one outwardly according to the flesh….

Romans 2:28-29

King James Version

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28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

So in spiritual terms, they are both strangers in a strange world.;)

 

[Earburner]

What I'm trying to get to the bottom of here, this land in question, what is meant by it? IOW, how does God Himself want us to understand this land meant? In the literal sense or some other sense? Why this matters is because this very same land meant is the same land wherein their fathers have dwelt in the past. And that it is this very same land where they shall dwell in in the future, meaning these---even they, and their children, and their children's children.

And for how long shall they dwell therein? The text tells us that, right? It says this--for ever.

What must be asked now, why this particular piece of land, and why for forever? How can this land where their father's have dwelt not be meaning in the literal sense, but is to be understood in another sense, anything but the literal sense? And once we determine what sense it is meaning in, where we should be able to easily determine that via this--wherein their fathers have dwelt---we then have to apply 'for ever' to this land meant since it is this same land where, even they, and their children, and their children's children, shall be dwelling therein.

IOW, how can they dwell in this land forever unless this same land in question exists forever and that they remain in it forever? Obviously, you can't do something forever unless what you are trying to do forever, that it exists forever. Who has ever heard of such a thing, for example, once someone is in a land, and that they are in this land forever, that if at some point they are no longer in this land ever again for whatever reason, this still equals thea3qq!!1m being in and remaining in this land forever?

What if it is NOT literal land at all. What if it is not this literal earth, the earth made over, or even another new literal earth???
Please see my post #319.

 

[covenantee]

God promised to give Abraham the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession and you say God lied to Abraham.


Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Is God going to keep his word to Abraham and Christ or not?
Do you honestly believe God lied to Abraham and will not give him.the land he promised?

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Does God have the right to update His Will and Testament with better promises, as Scripture tells us that He has?

Or does He have to listen to you telling Him that His Better Promises are not better promises, and demanding that He scrap them?

Too bad bro.

You're way too late.

 

[tailgator]

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Does God have the right to update His Will and Testament with better promises, as Scripture tells us that He has?

Or does He have to listen to you telling Him that His Better Promises are not better promises?

Why make new promises if your not going to keep them?

You say God doesnt keep his promises.

You say God has broken all his promises he made to Abraham and his seed Christ.

 

[covenantee]

Why make new promises if your not going to keep them?

You say God doesnt keep his promises.

You say God has broken all his promises with Abraham and his seed Christ.

He has kept His New Better Promises.

The ones you're demanding that He abandon.

 

[tailgator]

He has kept His New Better Promises.

The ones you're demanding that He abandon.

I'm not the one saying God doesn't keep his promises.You are.

God made a promise to Abraham to give him and his seed Christ the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession.You say God lied to Abraham and to Christ.

 

[covenantee]

I'm not the one saying God doesn't keep his promises.You are.

God made a promise to Abraham to give him and his seed Christ the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession.You say God lied to Abraham and to Christ.

You're saying that God does not have the right to update His Will and Testament with New Better Promises.

You think you can tell God what He can and cannot do.

 

[tailgator]

He has kept His New Better Promises.

The ones you're demanding that He abandon.

I say God will keep his promise to Abraham and to Christ.

You say God won't.

 

[tailgator]

You're saying that God does not have the right to update His Will and Testament with New Better Promises.

You think you can tell God what He can and cannot do.

You say God lied to Abraham and to Christ.

I say God will keep his promise to Abraham and to Christ.I say God is true.

You say God lied.

 

[covenantee]

I say God will keep his promise to Abraham and to Christ.

You say God won't.

I say God has kept His promises to Abraham and to Christ.

You say He hasn't.

 

[tailgator]

I say God has kept His promises to Abraham and to Christ.

You say He hasn't.

Ok

Is Abraham living in the land of Canaan today?

 

[tailgator]

I say God has kept His promises to Abraham and to Christ.

You say He hasn't.

You say Abraham and Jesus are living in the land of Canaan today?


Genesis 17:8

And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

[tailgator]

I say God has kept His promises to Abraham and to Christ.

You say He hasn't.

This is a promise God made to Abraham.
You are saying Abraham is living in the land of Canaan today?

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

[covenantee]

Ok

Is Abraham living in the land of Canaan today?

He's living in the Better City and Country promised in Hebrews 11.

You have the right to update your own will and testament with new and better promises.

Why doesn't God?

 

[tailgator]

He's living in the Better City and Country promised in Hebrews 11.

You have the right to update your own will and testament with new and better promises.

Why doesn't God?

You said God has kept his promise.
God's promise was not a better city.

His promise is all the land of Canaan which Abraham resided in.


That is the promise you say God lied about because you don't believe God.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

[covenantee]

You said God has kept his promise.
God's promise was not a better city.

His promise is all the land of Canaan which Abraham resided in.


That is the promise you say God lied about because you don't believe God.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Just answer the simple question.

You have the right to update your own will and testament with new and better promises.

Does God have the right to update His Own Will and Testament with New and Better Promises?

Yes or no?

 

[grafted branch]

So in spiritual terms, they are both strangers in a strange world.;)

There are no other instances where diaspora is used in a spiritual sense and the diaspora wasn’t referring to Gentiles unless you call Peter’s usage the only exception. Galatians 2:9 tells us Peter went to the circumcision.

I have come across others on this forum that claim there are instances where verses can be interpreted in such a way that there is no corroboration whatsoever with any other verses. This type of Bible hermeneutics I completely disagree with but if you want to go that road you will have others on the forum that will gladly agree with you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you all can think deep enough in the Holy Spirit, aka the mind of Christ, you will discover just exactly what the NEW "earth" is, that Jesus inherited,....along with Eternal Life.
Hmmm....are you thinking??
Where would it be necessary for the "Righteousness of God" to dwell?
In an earth? Or in that which is OF earth?

Do you dare to believe it?

I'm not into playing games like this. Get to the point. What are you saying?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What I'm trying to get to the bottom of here, this land in question, what is meant by it? IOW, how does God Himself want us to understand this land meant? In the literal sense or some other sense?

I had referenced Hebrews 11:8-16 which talks about Abraham and other OT saints realizing they should be looking for an eternal heavenly city and country instead of an earthly, temporal one. It's obvious to me that it's the eternal new heavens and new earth that they were looking for instead of a relatively small piece of land on the earth as we know it. That lines up with Peter saying that we are looking for new heavens and a new earth in according with the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:13).

Why this matters is because this very same land meant is the same land wherein their fathers have dwelt in the past. And that it is this very same land where they shall dwell in in the future, meaning these---even they, and their children, and their children's children.

And for how long shall they dwell therein? The text tells us that, right? It says this--for ever.

Abraham already was there in that land and he considered it "a strange country" and then it says he instead "looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

So, Abraham realized that God had something better in mind for him and his "innumerable" seed.

Hebrews 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

So, Abraham and his descendants after him "all died in faith, not having received the promises" and they "confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth". They realized that land on this earth as we know it was not what was being promised, but something better was being promised which is why it says "now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly, wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city". It's clear to me that this is talking about inheriting eternal life in the new heavens and new earth rather than just inheriting a temporal piece of land on the earth as we know it.

What must be asked now, why this particular piece of land, and why for forever? How can this land where their father's have dwelt not be meaning in the literal sense, but is to be understood in another sense, anything but the literal sense?

Did you read Hebrews 11:8-16 or not? How are you not seeing what it says there? It says Abraham and his descendants desired and looked for something better than that despite the fact that they "sojourned in the land of promise". They realized they were strangers there and that God had something better than that for them. How can you not see that? That's very clearly what is indicated in Hebrews 11:8-16.

And once we determine what sense it is meaning in, where we should be able to easily determine that via this--wherein their fathers have dwelt---we then have to apply 'for ever' to this land meant since it is this same land where, even they, and their children, and their children's children, shall be dwelling therein.

IOW, how can they dwell in this land forever unless this same land in question exists forever and that they remain in it forever? Obviously, you can't do something forever unless what you are trying to do forever, that it exists forever. Who has ever heard of such a thing, for example, once someone is in a land, and that they are in this land forever, that if at some point they are no longer in this land ever again for whatever reason, this still equals them being in and remaining in this land forever?

Are you just ignoring Hebrews 11:8-16? Why would you want them to inherit something far inferior to the better, heavenly country that they desired and were looking for?

 

[tailgator]

Just answer the simple question.

You have the right to update your own will and testament with new and better promises.

Does God have the right to update His Own Will and Testament with New and Better Promises?

Yes or no?

God's word doesn't change.
When he makes a promise,he keeps it.

The prophets wrote about resurected Israel living in the land promised to Abraham long after they are resurected from the dead.Long after they come out of the graves,they live in the land God promised Abraham.

You say God does not keep his word because his word is not in you.

You believe all the prophets who prophecied of resurected Israel living in the promised land is all lies.You remind me of a Muslim because Muslims say God lies too.


Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.