WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

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MA2444

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That's not fair. I've never accused a man or "men" of being "satanists." Don't put words in my mouth, MA.

That was the other girl who said that. I was trying to speak a little round about way to perhaps not offend one of you two. I guess that didn't work because you're all mad.

But it isnt my fault that you decide things (negative things) about men before they even do anything wrong. That''s between you and the Lord.

Maybe you arent the one who used the term satanists, but you sure havent said anything positive about any man in this thread. ??

That's the POINT though, MA. There ARE many bad ones out there!! Unfortunately, too many women are as I WAS.

If I go on a date with someone, and discover during dinner that he's MARRIED, do I "forgive" him? How about if he's a HEAVY drug user? Or a DRUNK? Or Bisexual? Or a cheater? Or a lying sack of you-know-what? Or who has an incurable STD?

Is there a point where forgiveness...like love...simply isn't enough?

So welcome to earth in the last days? There might be 7 or 9 good men left out there and you blame your troubles on those men and say,, you wont work with them, or make good decisions when you do say yes to man. Yes most men are evil now. It is what it is. But you can't blame the 9 good guys that are left because it's an absurd thing to do and only fosters the root of bitterness within your heart.

You aint supposed to judge people at all. God is the judge. What have ye to say to that?
Maybe love is not enough. It could be! But who made you the judge of all men in general?
 

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So I don't get accused of a discrepancy ...my daughter was pregnant with twins, but due to extremely stressful circumstances, she miscarried one of the babies. :(

Incidentally, my daughter is a twin as well. We didn't come home with both babies ....one was taken by the cult. I don't know if she is dead or alive. :( I think she is alive... I pray for her protection and freedom...

No one has accused you of anything except perhaps having a chip on your shoulder. But you aint no victim because of your troubled path that you have had to walk. You aint alone in your type of troubles. Oh it was big trouble agreed, But you aint the only woman to ever experience SRA. Or MK Ultra. So when do you trust Jesus? Why bad mouth men and say we accuse you of everything when you merely do not have a proper perspective on the situation. Before you trusted Jesus you learned that you can trust Him! So all things have become new...havent they ? You seem sort of like you lean upon the SRA and MK Ultra to be used as some sort of crutch? Why not go all in with the Lord and start identifying with the Lord instead of SRA and MK Ultra? You dont need that for a crutch. The Lord has all that you need.

Now I'm not accusing you of anything and I am also not making light of your situation, I know it's hard for you. But you said you trust the Lord, and you do seem smart so I dont understand why you hang onto an attitude towards men when you already know it's not their fault. We wrestle with evil spirits, not your neighbors!
 
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No one has accused you of anything except perhaps having a chip on your shoulder. But you aint no victim because of your troubled path that you have had to walk. You aint alone in your type of troubles. Oh it was big trouble agreed, But you aint the only woman to ever experience SRA. Or MK Ultra. So when do you trust Jesus?
Who placed you as my judge? You walk in my shoes and then tell me how you trust Jesus. I have placed my trust in Him a long time ago. I had to. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Him. You'll NEVER see me say that I'm the only one who has suffered through SRA and MK. Why don't you actually read through my posts. Better yet, read through my thread on SRA/MK. God has given me the task of speaking up for those who can't or aren't ready to speak ...to raise awareness within the Church/churches, and to minister to other survivors with the same ministry He provided for me.

You have done nothing but prove your heart is calloused. I hope that one day you'll allow God to soften your heart. It may not be a happy lesson unless you submit and surrender your heart to Him.
 

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Now I'm not accusing you of anything and I am also not making light of your situation, I know it's hard for you. But you said you trust the Lord, and you do seem smart so I dont understand why you hang onto an attitude towards men when you already know it's not their fault. We wrestle with evil spirits, not your neighbors!
Stating the truth is not "attitude." Take it however you want to.
 

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You seem sort of like you lean upon the SRA and MK Ultra to be used as some sort of crutch? Why not go all in with the Lord and start identifying with the Lord instead of SRA and MK Ultra? You dont need that for a crutch. The Lord has all that you need.
Crutch?? Is that what you call one's testimony?

Revelation 12:11
[11]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


My testimony is of Christ ....what He has saved me from, and what He has saved me through. I have just as much right to share my testimony as anyone here, whether you approve or not. You are not my husband, nor my God.

He is the one I strive to please. And I'll share where He opens the door.

2 Corinthians 12:10
[10]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


I guess Paul also had a "crutch" as you call it.

2 Corinthians 11:16-33
[16]I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
[17]That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
[18]Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
[19]For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
[20]For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.
[21]I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.
[22]Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
[23]Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
[24]Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
[25]Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
[26]In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
[27]In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
[28]Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
[29]Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
[30]If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
[31]The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
[32]In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:
[33]And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.
 
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What's so hard for you to understand about just because your last husband was a prick and the new guy isnt responsible for his actions. But you are trying to make him so. Is that right to do? No wonder you're still single.
New guy? You mean, the 30-something guy who doesn't give a poop about our age difference?
Or the 50-something heroin addict who wants to "rock my world"?
Or the cat-caller on the street?
Or the guy who STALKED me from one bus stop to another...

Would you tell your own daughter to give "those" guys a chance?

I'm single because I WANT to be single. Because I CHOOSE to be single. And I'm not hurting in any way because of my choice!
No matter what your ex husband did to you, you can't make a new guy a prick because the last guy was so you decided to make the new one pay too. Does that even make sense to you?
Yeah. By the same token, you FAULT me for giving these men chance after chance. How many "new guys" does a woman have to go through BEFORE you begin to realize that SO MANY MEN are "pricks"? My "man of interest" even said, "Most men are pricks"If that's true, then it makes sense that a lot of women would have to kiss a lot of toads....

And yet, you fault me.
The Lord out you on this path and is testing you! All things work together for good for thoe who love God. So you rebell against God and establish that your new guy is punk just like the old guy, on your word alone. That is making yourself above God. Think about it.
The Lord has not called me to be in a relationship with any man for the past 10 years. Jesus NEVER said that ALL people MUST be paired up.

Think about it. IF I was so hung up on the "last" guy being a 'punk', why did I keep pressing on? Why didn't I STOP the FIRST time I got skrewed over? I've seen more MEN swear women off the FIRST time they get hurt. Yet women...We keep on, keeping on...

...and get FAULTED for it.

The guy YOU might choose for your own daughter may not be the guy SHE chooses.

Ever think you MIGHT be wrong?
 
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That was the other girl who said that. I was trying to speak a little round about way to perhaps not offend one of you two. I guess that didn't work because you're all mad.

But it isnt my fault that you decide things (negative things) about men before they even do anything wrong. That''s between you and the Lord.

Maybe you arent the one who used the term satanists, but you sure havent said anything positive about any man in this thread. ??



So welcome to earth in the last days? There might be 7 or 9 good men left out there and you blame your troubles on those men and say,, you wont work with them, or make good decisions when you do say yes to man. Yes most men are evil now. It is what it is. But you can't blame the 9 good guys that are left because it's an absurd thing to do and only fosters the root of bitterness within your heart.

You aint supposed to judge people at all. God is the judge. What have ye to say to that?
Maybe love is not enough. It could be! But who made you the judge of all men in general?
Then WHY are you judging ME? Or TLHKAJ?
 
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In its perfection: Woman obediant to Man, whom is obediant to God. That is its proper fulfillment and hierarchical pillar.
 
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Who placed you as my judge? You walk in my shoes and then tell me how you trust Jesus. I have placed my trust in Him a long time ago. I had to. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Him. You'll NEVER see me say that I'm the only one who has suffered through SRA and MK. Why don't you actually read through my posts. Better yet, read through my thread on SRA/MK. God has given me the task of speaking up for those who can't or aren't ready to speak ...to raise awareness within the Church/churches, and to minister to other survivors with the same ministry He provided for me.

You have done nothing but prove your heart is calloused. I hope that one day you'll allow God to soften your heart. It may not be a happy lesson unless you submit and surrender your heart to Him.

Why do you keep trying to draw me into arguing with you? I wasnt judging you I asked what's up with that? You had indicated in a couple posts a profound love and trust for the Lord Jesus....except for that you talk about the sra & mku a lot. And I dont understand how that can be if you trust Jesus.

Now I aint Moses or Paul, but I know what it is tot rust Jesus, at least some, and it seems odd to me that you talk about the bad things as if they are perhaps more significant then Jesus. Almost like you lean on that stuff and want the extra sympathy that it carries with it...That's odd to me so I asked about it.

Is it easier to gain sympathy about the sra than it is to put all that stuff behind you or stand up to it, which will be harder than saying woe is me which is so easy. Weird. Judging? No. Thinking it's odd? Yes. Asking for clarification is judging you? Is it time to hide behind the crutch of sra or time to celebrate the majesty of the Lord?

And your all, your judging me....Whatever, Sister.
 

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Crutch?? Is that what you call one's testimony?

Revelation 12:11
[11]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


My testimony is of Christ ....what He has saved me from, and what He has saved me through. I have just as much right to share my testimony as anyone here, whether you approve or not. You are not my husband, nor my God.

He is the one I strive to please. And I'll share where He opens the door.

2 Corinthians 12:10
[10]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


I guess Paul also had a "crutch" as you call it.

2 Corinthians 11:16-33
[16]I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
[17]That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
[18]Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
[19]For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
[20]For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.
[21]I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.
[22]Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
[23]Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
[24]Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
[25]Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
[26]In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
[27]In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
[28]Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
[29]Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
[30]If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
[31]The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
[32]In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:
[33]And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.

With all due respect, Sister...what a load of crap! WHat you just said does not make sense.

2 Corinthians 12:10
[10]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


Paul didnt use a crutch, he had a thorn in the side. You ca't honestly compare you and Paul ok? I dont read all your posts on this board but I do some of them and to the best of my recollection I've never heard you speak of sra or cult stuff as someting you take joy in. If I missed that post of you talking like that somewhere please post it for me and watch me apologize!

But the way come across to me about all that stuff is that you use it like a crutch. WHen someone asks you an uncomfortable question, you seem to retreat into sra mku and hold that up as some sort of affliction that you demand princess treatment for. I'm sorry, but that's how you come across to me.

You should probably leave your husband, he's a weirdo. I've talked to several other girls who all experienced sra and none of them said they chose to stay in it. They all wanted to get out and distance themselves from those evil people. But not you for some reason?

Now I know Jesus enough to know that His IS the Name above all names (Even SRA & MKU!) Yet you have no victory story? It's all doom & gloom when you talk, about men, about your husband, about sra and stuff. Your husband still lets them access you is what you said. So you go willingly with them? Have you ever held up the ame of the Lord to them and said no? Have you ever prayed, Lord dont let them take me?

I dont remember you saying anything like that. So I since you posted to me, expressed your faith and trust in Jesus, I thought, wow maybe this girl is hanging in there to dismantle the works of the dark kingdom thru Jesus? Which is a high calling in my book! SO I thought it was obvious that you are a Sister in Christ and a member of the body of Christ, praise the Lord. SO I asked you a few questions and look at how you are responding to a Brother in Christ? Accusations of disliking you being a satanist or of a different God and defensive stuff. That's weird if what you say is true that you trust the Lord and imply that you do moreso than the average Christian. And we already know that you are intelligent so why can't you speak with Brothers in Christ about the Lord and not hey dont judge me sra sra blah blah blah...Sorry but I am not following you. Is sra above the name of Jesus? You don't sympathy, you need empowerment.

I think I know what your difficulty is. I would not question your faith in the Lord. You said it and so I believe you. It's not a faith problem, it may be a Belief problem. So I don't know yet for sure but you might have been Is she spreading a thin sheet covering of Jesus over the top of a bed full of Unbelief? Maybe. It happens.

I may not have experience with sra or even mku, but I know some about spiritual warfare. Jesus said it only takes the faith as much as how big a mustard seed is, a teeny seed! It is the Unbelief. Why else would you tell us your husband still allows the cult to access you? That certainly implied to me that you go with them willingly? Is there some portion of what they do that you like it? Why do you go with them? Unbelief.

If what you say is true that you trust Jesus then can you tell me why you never posted (that I seen) that you said no, I'm not going? That would be walking in belief. Back in the original language the word that was translated to Belief means faith accompanied by an action. When you walk in that faith with your actions and words it becomes belief.

That's why Jesus couldnt do many or any miracles in His home town where He grew up. Everyone knew him. The carpenters kid, so they may have had faith in God, but they didn't recognize Jesus and walk in that! And that hindered Jesus work.

I have faith in God, Lord help my unbelief! I trust Jesus, Lord help my unbelief. And when I began to understand that you must believe means walk in it and so I have done that several times and I have a big list of Testimonies that I could tell you what happened when I walked in the trust in the Lord. At a few times, I was called to the plate. There were times that I went to the plate. There were ties that I chickened out! (No better way to say it lol). Lord help my Unbelief! You want to hear some supernatural Testimonies? How many?

When I seen what could happen whenever I walked in my faith and trust and went to the plate and said, I can't do it Lord, will you do it? I'll watch! And that is where all my testimonies came from. I hit the ball of Belief into the Lord's court and he's either there or He isnt, right? The ball's in His court now, what will He do?

You have not because you ask not. Start asking! Walking in it. Every time I walked in it and didnt chicken out he always came through for me in some way. Every time without fail. So I know Him a little bit and how He is. And if you had inclinations to walk in it with Belief, a big one has been laid on your plate and to combat it (with the Lord!) is a serious undertaking. I know some things about spiritual warfare and might be able to help you some? That's the reason I even responded to you. I wasnt replying to any of your posts before you posted to me and I wasnt going to because last time time we talked you did the same thing. You got real defensive and started calling names and making accusations and blah blah blah, my husband, the cult blah blah blah.

I'm sorry those evil things happened to you but you said you choose to stay with him and so...walk in the path that he allows? I dont understand, where is your Belief?

Tell me about the time the cult came for you and your husband said she's in there go get her...and you stood up and said, you have no power over me in the Name of Jesus whom I belong to...! DId that ever happen? If not, why not? Do you understand that if you go willingly with them, you are walking in agreement with them and with the evil spirits which hold the people in the cult and your husband? You can't be in agreement with evil spirits. Put on the armor of God (Eph 6) and stand on your spiritual feet and walk ten steps in your trust in Jesus!

If you dont intend to bring down that evil stronghold then why did you stay?
 

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New guy? You mean, the 30-something guy who doesn't give a poop about our age difference?
Or the 50-something heroin addict who wants to "rock my world"?
Or the cat-caller on the street?
Or the guy who STALKED me from one bus stop to another...

Would you tell your own daughter to give "those" guys a chance?

I'm single because I WANT to be single. Because I CHOOSE to be single. And I'm not hurting in any way because of my choice!

Yeah. By the same token, you FAULT me for giving these men chance after chance. How many "new guys" does a woman have to go through BEFORE you begin to realize that SO MANY MEN are "pricks"? My "man of interest" even said, "Most men are pricks"If that's true, then it makes sense that a lot of women would have to kiss a lot of toads....

And yet, you fault me.

The Lord has not called me to be in a relationship with any man for the past 10 years. Jesus NEVER said that ALL people MUST be paired up.

Think about it. IF I was so hung up on the "last" guy being a 'punk', why did I keep pressing on? Why didn't I STOP the FIRST time I got skrewed over? I've seen more MEN swear women off the FIRST time they get hurt. Yet women...We keep on, keeping on...

...and get FAULTED for it.

The guy YOU might choose for your own daughter may not be the guy SHE chooses.

Ever think you MIGHT be wrong?

Yeah I guess I do fault you. And you havent ever said that you ever have made a mistake.

You had at least four long term relationships with men and you couldn't keep even one of them. Out of four!

I wonder why that is? Easy, you make poor choices in men! You are attracted to the wrong sort of man that you would never have a future with, Next! Maybe you go to the wrong places to meet men.

You sound just like those girls who get caught cheating in those videos and all of them get angry and blame their cheating on him! You're never here and I have needs, I was ovulating and had to (LOL). But it was also her that made him get two jobs because she wanted more money! Long story short, she's for the streets and isnt wife material.

If you have no fault whatsoever, then why is it that you could never attract a man of value? Is it because you have nno faults? Lol! Get real lady no wonder the high value men kept walking and left you alone. No Fault! That's so funny!

Sorry but I gotta call it like I see it. I suspect I havent heard all of those stories of woe either, lol. There's more to this than all men are evil, lol! You do have faults little girl. So do I.
 

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Then WHY are you judging ME? Or TLHKAJ?

I'm not judging you or her. We're just talking. You girls seem to have a problem facing reality so speak always from your emotions and get real defensive. Oh I'm just the poor princess woman who has been beat on her whole life and it's all men's fault!

Stop judging me! Be a Christian and feel sorry for me, I know I dont make sense but that because I have no accountability in life. SO you go defensive and distract the conversation from you answering good questions. Real slick lady. But a lot of games.

Your bible tells you not to walk in your emotions! We walk by faith and not by sight. So either pull up tour big girl panties and talk straight to the men instead of attacking them every time they speak to you! Or don't talk to us! Lol.

What in the world is wrong with talking about anything. I'm not attacking you, that's absurd. I dont even know you. You aint worried about me coming home to beat you tonight and then say where's my sandwich?

So you've made some mistakes in life. Big deal welcome to the club, so have we all. But oh no! I didnt make any mistakes, he was evil and took advantage of me...like you have no brain or something...Wow.

But dang it girl, you cant tell me that you had at least four failed relationships and expect me to believe that you chose wisely! Take that game across the street mamm! We dont play that here.

And you have the Lord Jesus behind you now! The Creator of the Universe...!!!! I dunno what He's been teaching you but He hasnt been teaching me that it is mans fault. Man holds fault, but the real enemy is the evil spirits. So when you get on here and badmouth men and curse them...that is a dangerous mistake because apparently you take the Lord seriously? Don't curse men, those were powerful words that Jesus hasn't taught me to say, so maybe you have a wee bit of a fault there too?
 

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Haha! I can not.

She was young and needed the money! He was the king and she was arguing with hubby right before he went to work and told to get a better job! 6 figures she said, lol.

I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because things were different back then. No one turns down the King! Especially a girl I would think. This in the days that women were subservient to men, so much more the the very King of their land?
Haha! I can not.

She was young and needed the money! He was the king and she was arguing with hubby right before he went to work and told to get a better job! 6 figures she said, lol.

I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because things were different back then. No one turns down the King! Especially a girl I would think. This in the days that women were subservient to men, so much more the the very King of their land?
I always read this like she planned the whole thing.
She also did not scream or cry out or object at all.

What does Deuteronomy 22 command?

22 “If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die—the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall put away the evil from Israel.

David sets up Uriah to be killed after David cant convince Uriah to go home and sleep with his wife.
 

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World-wide forums like this one are a mission field. Folks from all over the
globe visit them curious about Christian beliefs and practices. How much are
we telling them when they see us quarreling among ourselves? For example:

Gen 13:7 . . And there was quarreling between the herdsmen of Abram's
cattle and those of Lot's cattle. The Canaanites and Perizzites were then
dwelling in the land.

How do you suppose that squabbling looked to the pagans? When God's
people can't get along, outsiders become disgusted with them and they sure
won't be influenced for God in a good way when there's fighting amongst
themselves like that.

Years ago, when I was a young welder just starting out on my own, I rented
a small room in a daylight basement from a man who was the senior pastor
of a medium sized church in the Portland Oregon area. He and his wife
radiated the luster of polished spirituality whenever I spoke with them out in
the yard, but in my location under the floor of the house, I could overhear
their bitter quarrels upstairs behind closed doors. Was I favorably inclined to
attend their church and/or take up their religion? No.
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I always read this like she planned the whole thing.
She also did not scream or cry out or object at all.

What does Deuteronomy 22 command?

22 “If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die—the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall put away the evil from Israel.

David sets up Uriah to be killed after David cant convince Uriah to go home and sleep with his wife.

That very well could be. I dont know her, never met her. Maybe women were the same back then?! Scripture usually says they were a prostitue if they were and nothing like that was said that Bathsheba was, and I suppose I should not judge her for that as being a prostitute because I don't think she was. But! You never know?!
 

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That very well could be. I dont know her, never met her. Maybe women were the same back then?! Scripture usually says they were a prostitue if they were and nothing like that was said that Bathsheba was, and I suppose I should not judge her for that as being a prostitute because I don't think she was. But! You never know?!
I don't think her a prostitute, but that she desired David over Uriah.
 
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She came to him, willingly. There is no record of her screaming out, objecting or being forced.

2 Then it happened one evening that David arose from his bed and walked on the roof of the king’s house. And from the roof he saw a woman bathing, and the woman was very beautiful to behold. 3 So David sent and inquired about the woman. And someone said, “Is this not [a]Bathsheba, the daughter of [b]Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?” 4 Then David sent messengers, and took her; and she came to him, and he lay with her, for she was cleansed from her impurity; and she returned to her house. 5 And the woman conceived; so she sent and told David, and said, “I am with child.”
 

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With all due respect, Sister...what a load of crap! WHat you just said does not make sense.

2 Corinthians 12:10
[10]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


Paul didnt use a crutch, he had a thorn in the side. You ca't honestly compare you and Paul ok? I dont read all your posts on this board but I do some of them and to the best of my recollection I've never heard you speak of sra or cult stuff as someting you take joy in. If I missed that post of you talking like that somewhere please post it for me and watch me apologize!

But the way come across to me about all that stuff is that you use it like a crutch. WHen someone asks you an uncomfortable question, you seem to retreat into sra mku and hold that up as some sort of affliction that you demand princess treatment for. I'm sorry, but that's how you come across to me.

You should probably leave your husband, he's a weirdo. I've talked to several other girls who all experienced sra and none of them said they chose to stay in it. They all wanted to get out and distance themselves from those evil people. But not you for some reason?

Now I know Jesus enough to know that His IS the Name above all names (Even SRA & MKU!) Yet you have no victory story? It's all doom & gloom when you talk, about men, about your husband, about sra and stuff. Your husband still lets them access you is what you said. So you go willingly with them? Have you ever held up the ame of the Lord to them and said no? Have you ever prayed, Lord dont let them take me?

I dont remember you saying anything like that. So I since you posted to me, expressed your faith and trust in Jesus, I thought, wow maybe this girl is hanging in there to dismantle the works of the dark kingdom thru Jesus? Which is a high calling in my book! SO I thought it was obvious that you are a Sister in Christ and a member of the body of Christ, praise the Lord. SO I asked you a few questions and look at how you are responding to a Brother in Christ? Accusations of disliking you being a satanist or of a different God and defensive stuff. That's weird if what you say is true that you trust the Lord and imply that you do moreso than the average Christian. And we already know that you are intelligent so why can't you speak with Brothers in Christ about the Lord and not hey dont judge me sra sra blah blah blah...Sorry but I am not following you. Is sra above the name of Jesus? You don't sympathy, you need empowerment.

I think I know what your difficulty is. I would not question your faith in the Lord. You said it and so I believe you. It's not a faith problem, it may be a Belief problem. So I don't know yet for sure but you might have been Is she spreading a thin sheet covering of Jesus over the top of a bed full of Unbelief? Maybe. It happens.

I may not have experience with sra or even mku, but I know some about spiritual warfare. Jesus said it only takes the faith as much as how big a mustard seed is, a teeny seed! It is the Unbelief. Why else would you tell us your husband still allows the cult to access you? That certainly implied to me that you go with them willingly? Is there some portion of what they do that you like it? Why do you go with them? Unbelief.

If what you say is true that you trust Jesus then can you tell me why you never posted (that I seen) that you said no, I'm not going? That would be walking in belief. Back in the original language the word that was translated to Belief means faith accompanied by an action. When you walk in that faith with your actions and words it becomes belief.

That's why Jesus couldnt do many or any miracles in His home town where He grew up. Everyone knew him. The carpenters kid, so they may have had faith in God, but they didn't recognize Jesus and walk in that! And that hindered Jesus work.

I have faith in God, Lord help my unbelief! I trust Jesus, Lord help my unbelief. And when I began to understand that you must believe means walk in it and so I have done that several times and I have a big list of Testimonies that I could tell you what happened when I walked in the trust in the Lord. At a few times, I was called to the plate. There were times that I went to the plate. There were ties that I chickened out! (No better way to say it lol). Lord help my Unbelief! You want to hear some supernatural Testimonies? How many?

When I seen what could happen whenever I walked in my faith and trust and went to the plate and said, I can't do it Lord, will you do it? I'll watch! And that is where all my testimonies came from. I hit the ball of Belief into the Lord's court and he's either there or He isnt, right? The ball's in His court now, what will He do?

You have not because you ask not. Start asking! Walking in it. Every time I walked in it and didnt chicken out he always came through for me in some way. Every time without fail. So I know Him a little bit and how He is. And if you had inclinations to walk in it with Belief, a big one has been laid on your plate and to combat it (with the Lord!) is a serious undertaking. I know some things about spiritual warfare and might be able to help you some? That's the reason I even responded to you. I wasnt replying to any of your posts before you posted to me and I wasnt going to because last time time we talked you did the same thing. You got real defensive and started calling names and making accusations and blah blah blah, my husband, the cult blah blah blah.

I'm sorry those evil things happened to you but you said you choose to stay with him and so...walk in the path that he allows? I dont understand, where is your Belief?

Tell me about the time the cult came for you and your husband said she's in there go get her...and you stood up and said, you have no power over me in the Name of Jesus whom I belong to...! DId that ever happen? If not, why not? Do you understand that if you go willingly with them, you are walking in agreement with them and with the evil spirits which hold the people in the cult and your husband? You can't be in agreement with evil spirits. Put on the armor of God (Eph 6) and stand on your spiritual feet and walk ten steps in your trust in Jesus!

If you dont intend to bring down that evil stronghold then why did youH
There is a lot of victim blaming in your posts. I think you are not aware of that. I am a survivor too. And I have to say, that your posts dont show Christ's love or heart in any way. Please go to prayer with this. The world protects the evil. But it saddens me how other Christians are not supportive and loving to the worst of the broken and just accuse and reject them, blaming them, assuming bad things. Showing no compassion to the wounded. But we can know, that our Lord Jesus does. He has great compassion for the outcast, for the wounded, for the broken, for the hurt. We are supposed to share His love here on earth. Are we all doing that? Or are our hearts hardened. Love growing cold. I am a survivor too. I am not ashamed of that. Yes, we are a child of the most high God. We do have a testimony. And God wants us to speak up. People are uncomfortable with it, dont want to hear it, reject the ones who are brave enough, like some sisters here are, to share about what happened to them. And what God is able to redeem. It just glorifes God. To hold onto Him despite all this suffering and persecution. When we can't say something loving or supporting, then at least just silently pray for survivors. They really need a lot of prayer support. Thank you so much. God bless
 

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You know people can love each other, unlawfully.
And some people love more than one other person.
People back then no different than today, all are tempted in the same ways they were long ago.

Love, lust, the flesh all come together into passion as opportunity comes.
 
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