WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

[3 Resurrections]

God understands the difficulties of women (and men) in an abusive home environment. We have the example of how Abigail dealt with her husband, and of God's reward to her for disobeying Nabal's rejection of David's request for food for his men in the field. God Himself slew Nabal, and Abigail's gift of food for David's men earned her a marriage to David and his very public commendation of her actions.

For both women (and men) in an abusive environment of marriage, we have the injunction, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." (Romans 12:18) This implies that there are limits to what one can or should endure in any given situation. That leaves separation and divorce as an option on the table if absolutely necessary for a spouse's protection of themselves and their dependents.

"God hath called us to peace" (1 Cor. 7:15) This goal of keeping the peace should be our default mode of operation in marriage, but it is not always possible to achieve. We are also told in Proverbs 22:24-25 as a warning, "Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go; Lest thou learn his ways and get a snare to thy soul." So, what is a spouse to do if they are linked in marriage to one who turns out to habitually act in anger and fury? I can only tell you my solution for this after 46 years of the same pattern of behavior cropping up, and it is to gently distance myself both mentally and physically as far as possible to preserve my mental health. Conversations are on subjects as generic as they can possibly be, and the pursuit of an absorbing work environment that puts as much physical distance as possible in place. It's not the ideal, but it helps to preserve relative calm in the home for the most part.

Of course, but we don’t live in Eden, so my view is of what is required today.

What we live under today is the New Covenant established in Christ's blood, where there is no ranked preference between man or woman, neither bond nor free, neither Jew nor Gentile. We are all "one in Christ" (Galatians 3:28). All these former categories have been subsumed if we are in Christ, Who is All and In All. You should be laboring to make this a prevailing condition in this world - not attempting to keep one of these categories under the foot of another. Christ forbad this in His followers.

 

[MA2444]

This should be enough now. It is crossing boundaries on many levels. You are literally mocking a survivor of tremendous abuse. Stop it here. Look at Christ. The cross. Forgiveness. Love. The fruits of the Spirit. You are hurting not only this precious sister, but also other survivors. And that is not okay. Not Christlike. I ask you to stop this now. God bless you

Should I not speak the truth to her as I know it and believe it? I asked her clarification because she said she prayed about it and Jesus didn't prevent her from escaping and that doesnt ring true to my experience so she maybe left a thing or two out?

I'm not mocking her. Are women not capable of any straight talk with a man or something? They shouldn't be. Then why are they on the internet chattering away? They try to tell me how I am! I'm this, I'm that and that stirs up the man in me to say something but what they said was not true of me and I know it and I told them how I really am. I didnt push my wife around or beat her up. I never cheated on her. I was married for 26 years and I don't know how I did it, but I loved her and I couldnt do that to her. That meant something to me. That aint me. And so is wasnt. But they know all about how I had I her tied up i the basement, those poor girls.

I understand that I am not not talking to them quite the way that the Lord would! I have not been perfected yet and I have to live on earth with all these women, lol. So if they stir me up from accusations and I speak rather sternly to them from a place grounded in love...how can't they be offended?! It isn't as serious as you imagine it to be. If I get tired of taking it on the chin from them then eventually I will swing back. It's in my nature. But it's still only words. I don't dislike either of them but I wont take their crap. Why should I? We're just talking. If they are so senitive that a man cant speak straight talk to them then shouldn't they have some nice facilities to help those who are that gone?

But they claim to be strong independent women who dont like men and are better than men. Ha! With all due respect.

 

[Ritajanice]

Knowing God, is showing love. Not hardness and coldness. Please go to the Lord in prayer. Jesus was meek, its not weakness. Its powerful. Showing kindness is powerful.

I think when we show hardness and coldness, it shows us where we are in Jesus, if that makes sense..old man verses new man, he even tells us to put off the old man and put on the new man...

Who wouldn’t want to put on the new man..?

 

[TLHKAJ]

I understand a lot about use of force. I also know you said you choose to stay there?
Why is that? I don't have a clue! Clue me in.

I am not required to give you an explanation... but if you will choose to listen non-judgmentally, I will.

I will anyway ....for the sake of others, and because education and awareness is what I am called to do.

My husband is only one of MANY handlers that were assigned to me. He has some place within him that loves me, but in a very broken way. He has been shattered (in his mind) as I and all SRA/MK survivors have been. He has parts (alter personalities) who are threatened that if he doesn't comply (handle me/keep me accessible) that they will kill him, kill me, kill our children, grandchildren, or some other innocent person. I am here as an example to him and his captive places (alter personalities) that you can withstand, you can choose Christ and refuse to comply ...even if it means death. That's very difficult, because we have lost a son ....a granddaughter ...and so we know they are not empty threats.

My husband is not my only handler. I am watched no matter where I go. I could go into all the ins and outs, but that wouldn't be profitable here. I don't have a place to go until or unless God says when and where. Otherwise, I run and run and they just activate a local handler, and local cult to do the same. I know by experience, because I left in 2012 and moved 2 states away, then moved again in 2014, again in 2016, again in 2017, and 2018 ....threats and harassments and punishments continued in every location I moved to.

Even recently, I was on my way from a non-survivor's home and I noticed I was being followed and watched ...because I watch every vehicle and their behaviors. I noticed that police were stationed at exits I take. And soon, I was followed with brights in my rearview mirror. I didn't know what to do, so I slowed down till hopefully they would go around me. Then he put his lights on and pulled me over. No ticket ... didn't do anything worthy of a ticket. It was a scare tactic. (But he did say that my car was registered as stolen, which totally shocked me. We purchased our car 4 yrs ago from a used car dealership after our other was totaled.) So ...if my car was stolen, why did he not ticket or arrest me?? But he let me go. It was a scare tactic.

A month prior, I was followed late at night for about 4 hours by a truck with brights in my mirror on my way back from seeing my children and grandchildren.

Following the afore mentioned police incident, I was again coming home from my friend's home when a police car was parked at an exit and followed me ....all the way through 3 towns ...knew which exit I was about to take (to go home) and put his blinker on before I did. He followed me all the way into my neighborhood and pulled me over. This is a city police from another town, not state police ...and he also said my car was registered stolen. No arrest, didn't ask for ID or insurance ...but he said we needed to go to the DMV to get it straightened out. So ...since the car is in my husband's name, he had to take days off work (he works out of state) to come home and go to the DMV where they were very confused ....our car IS NOT registered stolen. They said we needed to go to the police station and get it straightened ....sigh. All of this was gaslighting. And I suspect they wanted my husband home for some reason as well.

The man who put a bullet hole into my kitchen wall was a retired police officer whose property adjoins the back of mine. He is buddies with the mayor who also threatened me ....and they all are buddies with the County Judge who illegally placed (trafficked) my granddaughter into the home of the family who STOLE HER from my daughter.... the same baby/granddaughter I wrote of before who is a twin. I can't make this stuff up. It's too elaborate, complex, and interwoven.

We had a man who was on the up and up, as our town chief of police. He tried to do something about the harrassments to me and my oldest son ...he tried to do something about child trafficking in our county ....he lost his job.

I could go on and on ...you may not want to believe what I'm saying. But others who read ...maybe they'll seek the Lord for understanding and I know other survivors read who have been through the same. But my ......victimization ....did not begin and end with my parents. I was born into very specific bloodlines to be used for very specific purposes. Some of my earliest memories (ages 2 and 3) are of military bases (above and below ground). I remember what looked like whole societies or cities underground ....wide tunnels for pedestrians and vehicles. Businesses and offices, even restaurants ...underground. But there is a lot more that goes on there.

I was used on the stone altars at mayan pyramids at age 4 ...as a conduit, for 3 days. Physical form nephilim hybrids were there, presiding over those rituals and infant sacrifices. That was 1976, when they brought in a countless number of fallen entities. In 1977, age 5, they took me and other children to the UN for another high level ceremony which has relevance to what we see happening to today, as it related to people who are now in power in the world.

I was taken to the Temple Mount where antichrist-related rituals take place under the Al Aqsa Mosque.

I was used by presidents, and by top military personnel.

No, this is not unique to me. (Certain aspects ARE unique to me.) I was connected ceremonially at the UN to a boy who would grow up and have a political-military place of authority in another country I will not disclose (for my safety).

I was taken by a handler as an adolescent to a meeting with the black pope ....partial memory, but was taken to a high place, ritual ground atop a mountain that had high security razor wire fencing around the bottom. That would've been about ....1982(ish??). I was taken to other places considered portals ...bc of my spiritual capacity, they could use me on the altars as a portal. (AGAINST MY WILL .. I WAS A CHILD!!!!) Other places included the mountain in Chile where would be the site if the ETL and SLT (etc). I am not sure, but I think the place I was taken to meet the black pope was the mountain ...Mount Graham ...which had been "sacred" to Native Americans, but was considered a portal so the vatican took it as a location for their "lucifer" telescope ....which has absolutely nothing to do with observing planets and far away galaxies, and everything to do with looking into the spiritual realms and communicating with fallen beings. I am about 99.9999% sure that is where they took me. Atop that mountain, they brought me to a clearing where there was a circular ritual ground outlined by human skulls, and they put me in the middle of it. That is where my memory ends.

I could go on and on and write books. But what I am saying is ....my physical rescue is of the Lord, not myself. Babylon and the beast system is worldwide. GOD is able to keep me ...He is able to preserve me ....He is able, in His timing, to take me right out of the midst of it all and place me into a place of safety. I believe He will. Until then, I wait and trust His heart.

I can't base my salvation on what others do to me. And I refuse to come under condemnation of any man (or woman). I have to stand and allow God to do what He wills ...and I am confident that He has a plan.

 

[TigersPaw]

The following verse is under consideration.


Wives are to obey the commandments set forth by the Lord as pertaining to their conduct toward their husbands. They are not being instructed to obey their husbands, but rather to obey the word of God as pertaining to conduct toward their husbands.

Yep, trying to enforce your will on your wife, often leads to a Pillow, Blanket and a Coach.
Follow me for more Marriage tips LOL

 

[MA2444]

This is not a battle between sexes...or fun and games as you state it is. We are supposed to carry each others burdens.

Galatians 6,2: Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Galatians 5:22-23: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Knowing God, is showing love. Not hardness and coldness. Please go to the Lord in prayer. Jesus was meek, its not weakness. Its powerful. Showing kindness is powerful.

What we see here in these messages is the enemy taking hold of. Its not of God to fight and battle and tear each other down to show who is strong spiritually. Exhibiting the Fruits of the Spirit, that is being spiritually mature.

And believe me, these sisters here know VERY WELL what spiritual warfare is.

God bless

Then maybe you could suggest to them to be strong in the Lord and not be so thin skinned? Why am I the bad guy because I disagree with some of what they say? I'm nobody to either one of them.

The white picket fence christianity is over now. This is a very serious situation on earth at this time. Would you divide me out of the body of Christ for making two thin skinned little girls mad? Can't you see that at least one of them is on the cusp of a breakthrough in the Lord? Should I be less concerned with the truth and more concerned about little girls feelings?

Are you a victim? No you are not. You know how I know? You said so! Those girls need encouragement and not sympathy.

 

[3 Resurrections]

But it's still only words. I don't dislike either of them but I wont take their crap. Why should I? We're just talking.

"There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health." (Proverbs 12:18)

There are those with a history of being greatly wounded present here on this post, and it should be responded to with words that give balm and healing where most needed. It just depends on whether one wants to be a wise person or not.

 

[Psalm-147:3]

Should I not speak the truth to her as I know it and believe it? I asked her clarification because she said she prayed about it and Jesus didn't prevent her from escaping and that doesnt ring true to my experience so she maybe left a thing or two out?

I'm not mocking her. Are women not capable of any straight talk with a man or something? They shouldn't be. Then why are they on the internet chattering away? They try to tell me how I am! I'm this, I'm that and that stirs up the man in me to say something but what they said was not true of me and I know it and I told them how I really am. I didnt push my wife around or beat her up. I never cheated on her. I was married for 26 years and I don't know how I did it, but I loved her and I couldnt do that to her. That meant something to me. That aint me. And so is wasnt. But they know all about how I had I her tied up i the basement, those poor girls.

I understand that I am not not talking to them quite the way that the Lord would! I have not been perfected yet and I have to live on earth with all these women, lol. So if they stir me up from accusations and I speak rather sternly to them from a place grounded in love...how can't they be offended?! It isn't as serious as you imagine it to be. If I get tired of taking it on the chin from them then eventually I will swing back. It's in my nature. But it's still only words. I don't dislike either of them but I wont take their crap. Why should I? We're just talking. If they are so senitive that a man cant speak straight talk to them then shouldn't they have some nice facilities to help those who are that gone?

But they claim to be strong independent women who dont like men and are better than men. Ha! With all due respect.

I was in these facilites you mentioned. I perceive you have anger to someone that hurt you in your life and it was females. God can heal this brother. When we come humbly to Him. Being humble before God, He is our strength. We don't need to fight to show that we are strong. We have our identity in Christ and then we can show love to others as He showed us His love. I am still learning, not saying I am good in that. I am out here. God bless you

 

[Ritajanice]

@TLHKAJ ...What a dreadful ordeal you are in / going through, I don’t believe I could ever survive what you have been through/ going through, absolute nightmare, even that isn’t a strong enough word, for what you are still going through, my heart goes deeply out to you, and I pray in Jesus Name, that he gets you out of that hell hole... did you say that you were born into this evil cult?

Have you written any story about it on the forum?

I am absolutely gobsmacked at what you have been through as an innocent child and still going through trauma as an adult..,,all I can say is your faith must be rock solid....God Bless you Dear Sister in Christ...I wish I was in a financial position to move you..,you so deserve peace, love and happiness.

 

[Wrangler]

After all, it isn't about the Lord, is it? It's about you wanting to play the victim.

Can you imagine any other command in all of Scripture that would illicit the hysterical playing of the victim card as this? I can’t.

 

[Wrangler]

I perceive you have anger to someone that hurt you in your life and it was females.

Powerful projecting right there. Where is the anger in this thread coming from? What is its source?

 

[Wrangler]

This is not a battle between sexes

That’s why all the women in this thread are adamantly advocating women follow the command for wives to unconditionally submit to their husbands - because there is no battle between men and women AND God was wrong in Genesis 3:16.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ ...What a dreadful ordeal you are in / going through, I don’t believe I could ever survive what you have been through/ going through, absolute nightmare, even that isn’t a strong enough word, for what you are still going through, my heart goes deeply out to you, and I pray in Jesus Name, that he gets you out of that hell hole... did you say that you were born into this evil cult?

Have you written any story about it on the forum?

I am absolutely gobsmacked at what you have been through as an innocent child and still going through trauma as an adult..,,all I can say is your faith must be rock solid....God Bless you Dear Sister in Christ...I wish I was in a financial position to move you..,you so deserve peace, love and happiness.

I was born into what I and many other call "THE cult" ....or the "elite cult" by masonic and illuminati bloodline. All of the world's top leaders are part of these bloodlines. (Nothing to be proud of, but to be aware of the fact we are played by their political games.) There are different levels to the cult ...from the top world elites, down to the local satanic cult sects.

Yes, ma'am, I have a very long thread on this ...not just my story but awareness of what survivors have experienced, scripture is shared there, and compassion for the broken. We know ...God is near to the broken. He saves those who are of an humble and contrite (shattered) spirit. Amen

I'll tag you there. It's a safe place for female and male survivors to communicate.

 

[Ritajanice]

I was born into what I and many other call "THE cult" ....or the "elite cult" by masonic and illuminati bloodline. All of the world's top leaders are part of these bloodlines. (Nothing to be proud of, but to be aware of the fact we are played by their political games.) There are different levels to the cult ...from the top world elites, down to the local satanic cult sects.

Yes, ma'am, I have a very long thread on this ...not just my story but awareness of what survivors have experienced, scripture is shared there, and compassion for the broken. We know ...God is near to the broken. He saves those who are of an humble and contrite (shattered) spirit. Amen

I'll tag you there. It's a safe place for female and male survivors to communicate.

Thank you.

 

[MA2444]

I am not required to give you an explanation... but if you will choose to listen non-judgmentally, I will.

No you dont owe me an explanation. But do you understand that that would look suspicious to some people?

I will anyway ....for the sake of others, and because education and awareness is what I am called to do.

My husband is only one of MANY handlers that were assigned to me. He has some place within him that loves me, but in a very broken way. He has been shattered (in his mind) as I and all SRA/MK survivors have been. He has parts (alter personalities) who are threatened that if he doesn't comply (handle me/keep me accessible) that they will kill him, kill me, kill our children, grandchildren, or some other innocent person. I am here as an example to him and his captive places (alter personalities) that you can withstand, you can choose Christ and refuse to comply ...even if it means death. That's very difficult, because we have lost a son ....a granddaughter ...and so we know they are not empty threats.

My husband is not my only handler. I am watched no matter where I go. I could go into all the ins and outs, but that wouldn't be profitable here. I don't have a place to go until or unless God says when and where. Otherwise, I run and run and they just activate a local handler, and local cult to do the same. I know by experience, because I left in 2012 and moved 2 states away, then moved again in 2014, again in 2016, again in 2017, and 2018 ....threats and harassments and punishments continued in every location I moved to.

Even recently, I was on my way from a non-survivor's home and I noticed I was being followed and watched ...because I watch every vehicle and their behaviors. I noticed that police were stationed at exits I take. And soon, I was followed with brights in my rearview mirror. I didn't know what to do, so I slowed down till hopefully they would go around me. Then he out his lights on and pulled me over. No ticket ... didn't do anything worthy of a ticket. It was a scare tactic. (But he did say that my car was registered as stolen, which totally shocked me. We purchased our car 4 yrs ago from a used car dealership after our other was totaled.) So ...if my car was stolen, why did he not ticket or arrest me?? But he ket me go. It was a scare tactic.
A month prior, I was followed late at night for about 4 hours by a truck with brights in my mirror on my way back from seeing my children and grandchildren.

Following the afore mentioned police incident, I was again coming home from my friend's home when a police car was parked at an exit and followed me ....all the way through 3 towns ...knew which exit I was about to take (to go home) and put his blinker on before I did. He followed me all the way into my neighborhood and pulled me over. This is a city police from another town, not state police ...and he also said my car was registered stolen. No arrest, didn't ask for ID or insurance ...but he said we needed to go to the DMV to get it straightened out. So ...since the car is in my husband's name, he had to take days off work (he works out of state) to come home and go to the DMV where they were very confused ....our car IS NOT registered stolen. They said we needed to go to the police station and get it straightened ....sigh. All of this was gaslighting.

The man who put a bullet hole into my kitchen wall was a retired police officer whose property adjoins the back of mine. He is buddies with the mayor who also threatened me ....and they all are buddies with the County Judge who illegally placed (trafficked) my granddaughter into the home of the family who STOLE HER from my daughter.... the same baby/granddaughter I wrote of before who is a twin. I can't make this stuff up. It's too elaborate, complex, and interwoven.

We had a man who was on the up and up, as our town chief of police. He tried to do something about the harrassments to me and my oldest son ...he tried to do something about child trafficking in our county ....he lost his job.

I could go on and on ...you may not want to believe what I'm saying. But others who read ...maybe they'll seek the Lord for understanding and I know other survivors read who have been through the same. But my ......victimization ....did not begin and end with my parents. I was born into very specific bloodlines to be used for very specific purposes. Some of my earliest memories are of military bases (above and below ground). I remember what looked like whole societies or cities underground ....wide tunnels for pedestrians and vehicles. Businesses and offices, even restaurants ...underground. But there is a lot more that goes on there.
I was used on the stone altars at mayan pyramids at age 4 ...as a conduit, for 3 days. Physical form nephilim hybrids were there, presiding over those rituals and infant sacrifices. That was 1976, when they brought in a countless number of fallen entities. In 1977, age 5, they took me and other children to the UN for another high level ceremony which has relevance to what we see happening to today, as it related to people who are now in power in the world.
I was taken to the Temple Mount where antichrist-related rituals take place under the Al Aqsa Mosque.
I was used by presidents, and by top military personnel.

No, this is not unique to me. (Certain aspects ARE unique to me.) I was connected ceremonially at the UN to a boy who would grow up and have a political-military place of authority in another country I will not disclose (for my safety).

I was taken as an adolescent to meet with the black pope ....partial memory, but was taken to a high place, ritual ground atop a mountain that had high security razor wire fencing around the bottom. That would've been about ....1982(ish??). I was taken to other places considered portals ...bc if my spiritual capacity, they could use me on the altars as a portal. (AGAINST MY WILL .. I WAS A CHILD!!!!) Other places included the mountain in Chile where would be the site if the ETL and SLT (etc). I am not sure, but I think the place I was taken to meet the black pope was the mountain ...Mount Graham ...which had been "sacred" to Native Americans, but was considered a portal so the vatican took it as a location for their "lucifer" telescope ....which has absolutely nothing to do with observing planets and far away galaxies, and everything to do with looking into the spiritual realms.and communicating with fallen beings. I am about 99.9999% sure that is where they took me. Atop that mountain, they brought me to a clearing where there was a circular ritual ground outlined by human skulls, and they put me in the middle of it. That is where my memory ends.

I could go on and on and write books. But what I am saying is ....my physical rescue is of the Lord, not myself. Babylon and the beast system is worldwide. GOD is able to keep me ...He is able to preserve me ....He is able, in His timing, to take me right out of the midst of it all and place me into a place of safety. I believe He will. Until then, I wait and trust His heart.

I can't base my salvation on what others do to me. And I refuse to come under condemnation of any man (or woman). I have to stand and allow God to do what He wills ...and I am confident that He has a plan.

Oh, ok. I see. So why are you so sure that I wont believe you? Do you normally lie? Why wouldn't I believe you?

And after all that you still dont carry a gun? That's brave in my book! I havent went anywhere unarmed in pushing close to 40 years now. Never had any permit or CCW license, nothing. I dont need a permit. I am resident of this dangerous planet and need it for self defense. Wanna guess how many people I've shot? How many gun incidents I've been in? How many gun offenses that I've ever been charged with?
I've shot zero people.
I've had a couple close calls, no shots fired except one attacking dog, but I didnt shoot it! I let him know that was my option and that dog was 4 paws in the air and he didnt want none any more!
I've never ever been charged with any weapons offense, or any type of violence charge. There's zero fighting on my record, zero trouble and got in trouble zero times!

I ran out of gas before and was getting my gas can out and didnt see the cop slide in behind me. The last thing grabbed from the car was my Colt 45 and I stuck it in my belt, turned around...!!! And was face to face with a city cop! Way before permits even became a thing! I feigned frustration and said I ran out of gas, and he let me ride in the front seat with him and me beside him wearing a 45, filly loaded. t was a very pleasant trip down and back. He was a nice guy and I never seen the need to tell him that I was armed and I gassed up and everyone went their way. I was shaking in my shoes! So if one carries a gun it comes with some responsibility to not pull it out or use it in a wrong way. It's not that hard to do. I didnt shoot the cop, lol! I didnt shoot myself in the foot, lol. and 30 years later, it's funny!

 

[MA2444]

Cont.,

I have had well meaning Christians ask me why do I feel the need to carry a gun when I profess faith in God. I said, you don't know very much about guns do you? Guns are not big bad stoppers with magic bullets. Just because people go down easy many times doesnt mean that there isnt room for faith even while carrying a gun! I do have faith in God. But I dont play on the freeway and say God save me either. One needs to understand a guns place in the overall security package. When bad things happen with bad people it happens very fast and there is not always time to pray. But having a gun will give you enough control over the situation that you will have time to pray. SO carrying a gun (sword) compliments my faith rather than cancelling it like they trying to imply!

I think you should pary about this all and make it a point to study up on walking in authority of Jesus name. WHen Jesus healed people or cast out evil spirits, he didnt pray to God, Oh God please heal this man...He spoke directly to the spirit with authority. He told Lazarus Himself, Lazarus get up! Because He had that authority. It is in scripture that Jesus gave us this same authority and said we will do everything He did and more. SO go now and heal the sick, cast out devils, raise the dead, spread the Gospel. SO we have this authority in Christ already. All we have to do is to walk in it. (With actions) Therein is your belief.

Most Christians are having an identity crises. They don't know who they really are i Christ. If you'd study that some and get an inkling, you could practice it before confronting the worst people so you can gain more confidence first.

 

[TLHKAJ]

So why are you so sure that I wont believe you? Do you normally lie? Why wouldn't I believe you?

Jesus told the truth, and most didn't believe Him. Telling the truth does not mean everyone will suddenly believe you. Don't read into this what I did not say.

John 15:20
[20]Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I think you should pary about this all and make it a point to study up on walking in authority of Jesus name. WHen Jesus healed people or cast out evil spirits, he didnt pray to God, Oh God please heal this man...He spoke directly to the spirit with authority. He told Lazarus Himself, Lazarus get up! Because He had that authority. It is in scripture that Jesus gave us this same authority and said we will do everything He did and more. SO go now and heal the sick, cast out devils, raise the dead, spread the Gospel. SO we have this authority in Christ already. All we have to do is to walk in it. (With actions) Therein is your belief.

Lazarus was a believer and Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. There is no place in scripture that says we can force anyone to obey us by using the name of Jesus, otherwise, Paul would have done it to avoid persecution, and there would be no persecution. None of the disciples would have been martyred. There would be no martyrs.

Do you see how imbalanced your words are? I cam absolutely cast demons out of the person. And they can invite 7 more who are more vile and wicked than before because God honors our will. And yet, I can expect God to keep me.

Let me give you an example. Again, this may not make sense to you. I may just be generic about it .....

But, a situation where someone is held captive inside their own home, and the tactics (a spoken cue) that were used in years past to gain access did not work (yet again) ...so her captor grabs her by the arm and says, "We have to talk!" ...and drags her to a room to be punished for not obeying cues.

God is able to keep that person and He did keep her, and delivered her from death. Yet, that person who was her captor witnessed the power of God that day.. Don't say that God cannot use our suffering. He CAN ....and HE DOES! We don't know what eternal value that will have. I may see this man turn to Christ and bring many others out of darkness ....because of a seed. Be careful when you speak where you have not walked.

 

[MA2444]

"There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health." (Proverbs 12:18)

There are those with a history of being greatly wounded present here on this post, and it should be responded to with words that give balm and healing where most needed. It just depends on whether one wants to be a wise person or not.

I do feel some sympathy for the girl. It sounds like a tough path to walk. But the same girl communicated to me a (paraphrased) very profound trust and closeness with the Lord. Oh, so this is a spiritual warfare thing now and began speaking what I know of it. Trying do do whatever I can to perhaps help even a little bit. No, just feel sorry for me dont attack me with talk of spiritual warfare or questions, all I want is sympathy...

So do you think should not speak truth to the girl? I'm not harassing her just trying to respond to her posts to me. And little by little I'm getting more and more of the story but she said I wont hear it all. And that's ok I think, that's her business and I respect that. But if she doesnt like what I have to say, then perhaps she shouldnt post to me?!!

I "Offended her once before and I didnt want to repeat that. And I was not talking to her. She quoted my post to another person and began taking to me. So I answered her. Being polite. Trying to at least have one of us speak solutions to her instead of just feeling sorry for her. So I dont feel any conviction about hurting her feelings. Truth can be hard to hear at times, but at least she heard it and may chew on it or even better, pray about it. I'll pray more for the girl but I am inclined to speak of the Lord instead a simpatico facade and only speak sympathy to her. She's a big girl! She just shouldnt be so thin skinned.

 

[MA2444]

Jesus told the truth, and most didn't believe Him. Telling the truth does not mean everyone will suddenly believe you. Don't read into this what I did not say.

John 15:20
[20]Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Well how could you assume that I would not? You dont know me. What do you want from me? My sympathy? My advice? Don't engage me in conversation if you're going to speak as if I am attacking you in some way. It's a serious situation and I dont think that see the same path ahead of it. You have your plans of what you want to do and it aint none my business what you do. So what do you ask of me? Anything besides sympathy.

I feel it on a certain level but on another level you let the cat out of the bag and expressed trust and closeness to the Lord. SO is it spiritual advice? No offense Princess, but you dont expect to me to believe that you so much of a helpless little thing that can do nothing, do you? Because I know better...because of how you speak. You cant hide intelligence my friend so you can't get away with that anymore, lol. I'm guessing you have an IQ of 120-125?

I know it's easier to do nothing and sit down and roll in people's sympathy. But that isnt you. By your own mouth it isnt you.