This is what Jesus said about his Coming...
Matt 24.26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."
Matthew 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
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Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
This is referring to the beast of the sea who was and is not and will come again. He is the eighth and is of the seven.
This is for the Jews, so they won't believe the resurrection of the beast of the sea whose tomb is in the desert, secret chamber.
Jesus said it, and we should be warned. We are *not* to accept any Pretribulational Coming of the Lord because it violates what Jesus warned about us here, which is a false eschatology that presents Christ as coming before his coming with the clouds.
When Jesus comes for His Church it will be in secret. He will not be seen on the earth, so this is a false concern.
Song of Solomon 2
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.
9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold,
he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.
10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come,
and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
Jesus is drawing upon Dan 7, which says this...
Dan 7.13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."
In case you have any doubt about it, Daniel is talking about seeing the Son of Man come from heaven, just as Jesus described it in his Olivet Discourse (Matt 24). This takes place in order to destroy the Man of Sin, the Antichrist. Here is the context....
When the Lord comes for the Church it will be a secret rapture. Do you think there is so much invested in aliens and alien abductions for nothing.
The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the second coming. This occurs at the 6th seal. It is the gathering from heaven and earth. Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels..........seen here.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Daniel 7 occurs at the end of wrath. It is the armies of heaven coming for Armageddon. He set up His kingdom. This is the second advent when Jesus touches the mount of Olives.
Dan 7.24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
26 “‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’"
This indicates that the Son of Man, the Messiah, is coming from heaven to destroy the Man of Sin, the Antichrist, in order to establish God's Kingdom on earth and to save God's People. This is why the Apostle John called him "the Antichrist," and why Paul called him "the Man of Sin." It is also why the book of Revelation sees him as the Beast with 10 kings and the Beast being an individual who presides over them, opposing the coming Kingdom of Christ.
Great.
All of these passages are saying the exact same thing.
Absolutely not.
The verses you quoted in Matthew 24 is a warning for the Jews not to believe that the Beast of the Sea is the Messiah. If they say he is in the desert or in the secret chamber believe it not. Its talking about a burial chamber where mummies are buried. Why do you think there have been mummy movies since the 40's. The world knows where THEIR Messiah is coming from. BTW, the beast of the earth is the rider on the white horse.
So Christians who wish to promote a preliminary coming of Christ are directly defying Jesus' statement that he is only coming with the clouds, and not before.
Your logic is bad.
Defy God's word at your own peril. I know you've been taught Pretrib by good Christians.
LOL. I'm a post tribber that realized that it was not the Church being raptured at the 6th seal. Those raptured at the sixth seal are singing the song of Moses.
I realized there are two raptures. Tell me, who did I learn that from.
But good Christians can be deceived. Trust them where they are reliable but question them when what they teach is indefensible.
This is what I say to you brother. You have no idea the order of Revelation. You don't understand what you are reading.
From Revelation 4 through Revelation 16. Do you read that chronologically?
