The Deity of Jesus under attack on this forum.

[Pearl]

What man states is not what matters most, it is what the bible states that matters

it is. And my bible tells me Jesus is God.

 

[farouk]

Right from being born again almost 46 years ago I have never heard anything other that Jesus is God in the flesh. Seems you have been going to the wrong church.

As for not being saved I think God is bigger than that and sees our hearts and knows if our love for Jesus in genuine or not.

@Pearl 'God was manifest in the flesh' (1 Timothy 3.16); 'the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us' and 'the glory of the only begotten of the Father' (John 1.14) are indeed wondrous, vital truths.

 

[stephen64]

No I can't say I have. Why would a church which believe Jesus is God preach anything other than that? I believe a lot of people are taught false doctrines and untruths, but I also believe that if a person sincerely loves Jesus then God knows what is in their hearts. And that is what matters.

I agree with your last part. I accept people as christians even if they insist you must believe Christ is God himself to be saved, and that contradicts the bible!

 

[stephen64]

it is. And my bible tells me Jesus is God.

Show me a verse that plainly states Jesus is the one TRUE God

 

[farouk]

I will tell you the truth, this is nearly always an internet thing. In over 40 years of going to various trinitarian churches I never once heard any minister state from the pulpit Christ is the one true God, let alone you must believe it to inherit eternal; life. It is head theologists that come out with all of this on the internet, they consider themselves gifted in much knowledge through much study, however studying with reliance on the academic mind does not lead into spiritual truth, you must look elsewhere for that

Hi Sir; what is your church background, if I may ask? the question is not meant to be intrusive; just to be able to understand better where you may be coming from.

 

[stephen64]

Hi Sir; what is your church background, if I may ask? the question is not meant to be intrusive; just to be able to understand better where you may be coming from.

Baptist/pentecostal mainly

 

[GEN2REV]

@Jim B @stephen64 @Johann

When you are brimming with lies, you can't hear the Truth.

John 8:44-45
John 8:47

 

[GEN2REV]

Show me a verse that plainly states Jesus is the one TRUE God

John 8:24

 

[stephen64]

John 8:24

Acts 7:35

Are you reitterating your belief God can be termed an angel?

 

[Pearl]

Show me a verse that plainly states Jesus is the one TRUE God

Almighty God says:
Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Jesus says
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

 

[Johann]

@Jim B @stephen64 @Johann

When you are brimming with lies, you can't hear the Truth.

John 8:44-45
John 8:47

Last time I've checked even demons can quote scripture.
J

 

[farouk]

Baptist/pentecostal mainly

Thank-you, @stephen64 .

 

[farouk]

Almighty God says:
Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Jesus says
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

@Pearl Wonderful how Old and New Testaments tie in together with such references about the Lord Jesus.

 

[Behold]

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[stephen64]

Almighty God says:
Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Jesus says
Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

OK, so you have no verse that plainly states Jesus is the one true God

I will give you Jesus words on the matter, very plain words:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you(the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John17:3

 

[Behold]

accept that, but adds to it, claiming you must believe Christ is God himself to be saved cannot be being led of the Holy Spirit

Jesus has a few titles... one is Jesus THE Christ. one is Jesus THE Lord. one is Jesus THE Way... one is Jesus THE Truth. one is Jesus THE Messiah..
one is Jesus THE Resurrection and THE Life....one is Jesus THE Eternal life... one is Jesus THE Light of the World. one is Jesus the Bread of Heaven. one is Jesus The Bread of Life. One is Jesus The SAVIOR.. one is Jesus the 2nd Adam.. one is Jesus who is "God manifested in the Flesh". one of the title of Jesus .. is 'I AM".. Jesus is the Blood Atonement. And in Genesis, God said "Let us make man in OUR image and the "OUR" is a reference to God and the Pre-Incarnate Word, who we know personally as JESUS, if we are born again. ?

And regarding what you are to "believe" so that God will save you.?
You are to hear the "preaching of the Cross" and "faith comes by hearing"... "The CROSS is the power of God unto Salvation".

So, to "preach JESUS", to "believe on JESUS", is to understand the finished work of JESUS on The CROSS.

So, all of this, is the preaching of the Gospel., as its all connected, but, its the BELIEVING, its the FAITH in Christ, that God accepts, as "faith is counted as Righteousness", as we are "Justified by Faith"

 

[Pearl]

OK, so you have no verse that plainly states Jesus is the one true God

I will give you Jesus words on the matter, very plain words:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you(the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John17:3

It should be obvious that both who claim to the first and last are the same. But seems you can't see it.

 

[stephen64]

It should be obvious that both who claim to the first and last are the same. But seems you can't see it.

The only obvious thing here is, you refuse to accept what is plainly written. Christ is not the Father, as you would agree. And Jesus plainly stated, the Father is the only true God

 

[Johann]

@Pearl 'God was manifest in the flesh' (1 Timothy 3.16); 'the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us' and 'the glory of the only begotten of the Father' (John 1.14) are indeed wondrous, vital truths.

Not to mention ho Kurion mou kai ho Theos mou. Christ is God manifest in the flesh.
J.

 

[stephen64]

It should be obvious that both who claim to the first and last are the same. But seems you can't see it.

You see, this is your wisdom isnt it, the plain words of Jesus must be turned around to mean something other than they plainly state. You must forgive me, I do not feel able to do that