The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[TribulationSigns]

Jay, there are two factors in the parable of the fig tree.

1. when it begins to bud. Which requires to identify what is the fig tree in the parable.

Matthew 21:19, as Jesus as the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem, that final week, Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the road for having no figs. Which upon leaving Jerusalem later that day, it had withered up and died.

The fig treee represents Jerusalem. Back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

2. how long is a generation. Psalms 90:10, three score and ten. 70 years.


1967 +70 = 2037 Not later than end of 2037, the 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin. The parable of the fig tree generation is what Jesus gave as the indicator of His Return.

Again, incorrect.

The parable of the Fig Tree in Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 has NOTHING to do with national Israel in 1948 or whatever. That is the Jewish fable and false interpreation of the Dispensationalists that heavily relies upon national Israel.

Mat 24:32-33
(32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
(33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Mar 13:28-29
(28) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
(29) So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

Luk 21:29-31
(29) And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
(30) When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
(31) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

"Please understand that it was the springtime right before Christ went to the Cross. Christ used the fig tree, as well as all the trees around Him and the listeners, as an example. He told His Church through the listeners that when we see trees putting forth new leaves in the springtime, we will mentally know that summer is coming. In a similar manner, when we see the events that Christ described in the Olivet Discourse coming to pass in the New Testament Church, such as the rise of false prophets and christs in the church, the cooling of God's love, the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place (Church), the command for the elect to leave the fallen church, the warning that there will be no more salvation gospel coming from the church (woman) where children (people seeking salvation in church but too too late) can no longer suck, and the signs in the sun, moon, and stars, we will mentally know that Christ's coming is near, but we do not know exactly when His return will be. We know by seeing the signs. Not figuring out with our calendar or watching world events (for signs) concerning Israel. The truth is that you got WRONG Israel to begin with, Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

2. how long is a generation. Psalms 90:10, three score and ten. 70 years.


1967 +70 = 2037 Not later than end of 2037, the 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin. The parable of the fig tree generation is what Jesus gave as the indicator of His Return.

Wrong. A generation is not the average life span of a person (otherwise in the days up to Noah's time generations would've been 500 or more years long, which is ridiculous), but rather is the time period during which someone becomes an adult and then has their own children which spawns another generation. So, a generation is commonly thought to be about 30 to 40 years. Nice try, Doug. But, you are once again trying to make scripture say what you want it to say.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Ez. 37 is not the rapture of the church but the rebirth of Israel which tool place in 1948.

2. those involved in the Magog and Gog of rev. 20 are different than Ezekiel.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Here Gog and Magog are in the four corners of the earth which is a euphemism for the planet. when they march, God sends fire and destroys them and the Great White Throne is established for final udgment.

While in Ezekiel, the people in the invasion are limited:

Ezekiel 38​

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38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Russia , Turkey, Ethiopia, Iran, Libya and some of the "istans".

As for Israel behind walls? I have been there and that is not true! Israel lives securely though they are under attack.

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

they do dwell safely, they trust iron dome, jericho missiles et. al.

Also the results are vastly different.


15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.

39 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.


Israel will burn the weapons of war for fuel for seven years. You think they need to do so in eternity?

They will be burying the dead for seven months-once again into eternity.

No the Ezekiel invasion is a pre tribulation invasion by at least 3 1/2 years before the trib starts. Because in the mid point of the tribulation Israel flees for their lives, they will not be gathering weapons for fuel!

REv. is after the Millennial reign of Jesus when Satan is loosed to deceive one more time and the armies are destroyed by god and eternity begins with the white throne judgment seat.

That’s a stretch. This is the first resurrection, notice they are coming out of their graves…

This resurrection of the saints is also shown in Ezekiel 37:11-14

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.”

This resurrection of God’s people precedes the battle of Gog and Magog shown in the next chapter

 

[Douggg]

Wrong. A generation is not the average life span of a person (otherwise in the days up to Noah's time generations would've been 500 or more years long, which is ridiculous), but rather is the time period during which someone becomes an adult and then has their own children which spawns another generation. So, a generation is commonly thought to be about 30 to 40 years. Nice try, Doug. But, you are once again trying to make scripture say what you want it to say.

A generation is not the child bearing age in the parable - but the age of passing away. Psalms 90:10 set that as 70 years. And if by strength, it says 80 years.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong. A generation is not the average life span of a person (otherwise in the days up to Noah's time generations would've been 500 or more years long, which is ridiculous), but rather is the time period during which someone becomes an adult and then has their own children which spawns another generation. So, a generation is commonly thought to be about 30 to 40 years. Nice try, Doug. But, you are once again trying to make scripture say what you want it to say.

So, use your numbers.

1948 + 40 = 1988

1967 +40 = 2007

Did Jesus return by 1988 or 2007 ? No, He did not.

Didn't Harold Camping say that Jesus would return in 1988 ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A generation is not the child bearing age in the parable - but the age of passing away. Psalms 90:10 set that as 70 years. And if by strength, it says 80 years.

As is often the case, you are making up your own definitions for words. A generation is not equal to the average lifespan of people, it's the time period during which someone grows up until they have their own kids that brings about a new generation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So, use your numbers.

1948 + 40 = 1988

1967 +40 = 2007

Did Jesus return by 1988 or 2007 ? No, He did not.

This shows that your understanding of the word "generation" is flawed. You have the same understanding of the word as preterists do (a chronological generation) except at least they are honest and don't try to say that a generation is longer than 40 years. Think about that. You're agreeing with the preterists that it's talking about a chronlogical generation. The Greek word "genea" has more than one definition. In this case, it's referring to a type of people. This generation, this type of people, the Jews, will not pass away until all has been fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

This shows that your understanding of the word "generation" is flawed. You have the same understanding of the word as preterists do (a chronological generation) except at least they are honest and don't try to say that a generation is longer than 40 years. Think about that. You're agreeing with the preterists that it's talking about a chronlogical generation. The Greek word "genea" has more than one definition. In this case, it's referring to a type of people. This generation, this type of people, the Jews, will not pass away until all has been fulfilled.

So what is your conclusion of what will be the not later than year that Jesus will return ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So what is your conclusion of what will be the not later than year that Jesus will return ?

No one knows the day or hour. I'm not into speculating like you are. It's pointless. Just be ready at all times and watch that you are not deceived. Christ warned that the level of deception in the time just before His return would be such that it could deceive even the very elect, if that were possible (Matt 24:24). Jesus and Paul warned about many turning and falling away from the faith in a time period just before the end of the age when Jesus returns. Just watch and be ready and don't be one of those who fall away. Focus on that instead of trying to set the date of when He will return. Why would you even care about that, anyway, since you think you will be taken out of here well before then?

 

[Keraz]

I wish that I can accept your claim above, but from my study of the Old Testament Chronology I believe that Abraham was born 1,949 years after the creation of Adam, and Christ was born in the year 4097 after the Creation of Adam. Based on this progression I believe that the end of this present age will occur at the end of the 6,144 year from the creation of Adam. Now if there are seven ages each around 1,024 years in duration, then the final judgement of mankind will occur around the year 7,168 year after the creation of Adam. All of these number make sense to me and add up so to speak.

You don't use the correct pivotal points.
It was 2000 years since Adam, when Abram entered the Promised Land, at age 75; Genesis 12:4
Not the birth of Jesus, - impossible to pinpoint, but when He entered Jerusalem, acclaimed as King. Another exact 2000 years.

Not too long now and Jesus will Return. Right now we don't know the exact date, but after the Anti-Christ 'beast' has sat in the Temple and declared himself to be God, then we can simply mark off 1260 days and be ready to greet Him with: Blessed be He who comes in the Name of the Lord.

 

[Keraz]

Wrong. A generation is not the average life span of a person (otherwise in the days up to Noah's time generations would've been 500 or more years long, which is ridiculous), but rather is the time period during which someone becomes an adult and then has their own children which spawns another generation. So, a generation is commonly thought to be about 30 to 40 years. Nice try, Doug. But, you are once again trying to make scripture say what you want it to say.

I don't agree with Douggg usually, but he is right on this issue.
Jesus was referring to people who were alive when the fig tree put forth buds. Fulfilled in May1948, with the UN recognition of the Jewish State of Israel.
I was alive then and I expect to see it all. All the Prophesied end time things, commencing with the Sixth Seal and ending with Armageddon and the Millennium reign of King Jesus. If that does not happen, then the Bible is just another book of useless fiction.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't agree with Douggg usually, but he is right on this issue.

No, he's wrong about everything. I don't know if I've ever agreed with him on anything related to end times doctrine. Not that I can ever recall, anyway.

Jesus was referring to people who were alive when the fig tree put forth buds. Fulfilled in May1948, with the UN recognition of the Jewish State of Israel.
I was alive then and I expect to see it all. All the Prophesied end time things, commencing with the Sixth Seal and ending with Armageddon and the Millennium reign of King Jesus. If that does not happen, then the Bible is just another book of useless fiction.

Oh, now a generation is at least 76 years? LOL. This is so ridiculous. Some of your interpretations of the Bible are useless fiction.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, there are two factors in the parable of the fig tree.

1. when it begins to bud. Which requires to identify what is the fig tree in the parable.

Matthew 21:19, as Jesus as the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem, that final week, Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the road for having no figs, fruit. And the fig tree withered up and died.

The fig treee represents Jerusalem. Back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

2. how long is a generation. Psalms 90:10, three score and ten. 70 years.


1967 +70 = 2037 Not later than end of 2037, the 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin. The parable of the fig tree generation is what Jesus gave as the indicator of His Return.

The fig tree cannot represent Israel in the parable because those numbers have expired.

1948 +70 = 2018

Douggg, this is your private interpretation, but it does not fit the evidence found in the scriptures.

Goodbye

 

[Jay Ross]

You don't use the correct pivotal points.
It was 2000 years since Adam, when Abram entered the Promised Land, at age 75; Genesis 12:4
Not the birth of Jesus, - impossible to pinpoint, but when He entered Jerusalem, acclaimed as King. Another exact 2000 years.

Not too long now and Jesus will Return. Right now we don't know the exact date, but after the Anti-Christ 'beast' has sat in the Temple and declared himself to be God, then we can simply mark off 1260 days and be ready to greet Him with: Blessed be He who comes in the Name of the Lord.

Again, this is your private interpretation. Abraham was born in the year 1949 after the creation of Adam and left Haran to go down to the Land of Canaan when he has 75 years old, which when adding these two numbers together, means that Abraham left Haran to go down into the Land of Canaan in the year 2,024 after the creation of Adam.

Your trademark is to twist the scriptures to match your perspective of the end times and since you cannot get the year that Abraham left Haran right, why would anyone believe your rhetoric concerning anything else.

Goodbye

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That’s a stretch. This is the first resurrection, notice they are coming out of their graves…

This resurrection of the saints is also shown in Ezekiel 37:11-14

Well you obviously do no know metaphors.

It is not talking literal graves but the deadness of Israel to God and the fact they have been scattered and need to be brought back to thte land. there god will take Israel and Judah and make them one again. As is happening now.

Remember the tale of the prodigal son. the father said he was dead and is now alive!

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; the colossians were not physically dead but spiritually dead! Just like the nation of Israel.

This resurrection of the saints is also shown in Ezekiel 37:11-14

It is the restoration of Israel, and not the church.

This resurrection of God’s people precedes the battle of Gog and Magog shown in the next chapter

The restoration of Gods people takes place before Russia, Libya, Iran, Turkey, Ethiopia and some of the istans invade Israel , but that is not teh REv. 20 invasion as I showed you the biblical differences between them.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

If these are dead people, then they are lost dead [people. For the saints already know the Lord, these people do not know th eLord until the spirit is given them-The church already has the spirit in them.

No chance for salvation at the resurrection in Rev. 20.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Well you obviously do no know metaphors.

It is not talking literal graves but the deadness of Israel to God and the fact they have been scattered and need to be brought back to thte land. there god will take Israel and Judah and make them one again. As is happening now.

Remember the tale of the prodigal son. the father said he was dead and is now alive!

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; the colossians were not physically dead but spiritually dead! Just like the nation of Israel.

It is the restoration of Israel, and not the church.

The restoration of Gods people takes place before Russia, Libya, Iran, Turkey, Ethiopia and some of the istans invade Israel , but that is not teh REv. 20 invasion as I showed you the biblical differences between them.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

If these are dead people, then they are lost dead [people. For the saints already know the Lord, these people do not know th eLord until the spirit is given them-The church already has the spirit in them.

No chance for salvation at the resurrection in Rev. 20.

Is this a metaphor?…..

Hosea 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

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51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Isaiah 25:8
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

 

[Douggg]

No one knows the day or hour. I'm not into speculating like you are. It's pointless. Just be ready at all times and watch that you are not deceived. Christ warned that the level of deception in the time just before His return would be such that it could deceive even the very elect, if that were possible (Matt 24:24). Jesus and Paul warned about many turning and falling away from the faith in a time period just before the end of the age when Jesus returns. Just watch and be ready and don't be one of those who fall away. Focus on that instead of trying to set the date of when He will return. Why would you even care about that, anyway, since you think you will be taken out of here well before then?

I did not say what day nor hour. I am not asking even what year. I am asking you according to your understanding of Jesus's parable of the fig tree, what is the deadline of when He returns by ? I gave my rationale of sometime before the end of 2037.

You have given you opinion of the length of a generation. But you have not stated what is your view of what is the fig tree. And what is the concluding deadline by putting those two things together.

the fig tree begins to bud + the length of a generation at that time = the no later than year, Jesus returns by then


Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, this is your private interpretation, but it does not fit the evidence found in the scriptures.

Goodbye

So what is your interpretation, Jay, of Matthew 24:32-34, of when Jesus will return by ?

the fig tree begins to bud + the length of a generation at that time = the no later than year, Jesus returns by then

 

[Douggg]

Focus on that instead of trying to set the date of when He will return. Why would you even care about that, anyway, since you think you will be taken out of here well before then?

I am not trying to set the date of Jesus's return. But by understanding the parable of the fig tree that Jesus gave, the not later than year can be determined.

And by knowing that, the maximum deadline for the rapture is therefore short as well then that is extremely encouraging - "look up for you redemption draws near" Jesus said.

 

[Douggg]

I don't agree with Douggg usually, but he is right on this issue.
Jesus was referring to people who were alive when the fig tree put forth buds. Fulfilled in May1948, with the UN recognition of the Jewish State of Israel.
I was alive then and I expect to see it all. All the Prophesied end time things, commencing with the Sixth Seal and ending with Armageddon and the Millennium reign of King Jesus. If that does not happen, then the Bible is just another book of useless fiction.

keras, there is an old testament verse, Joel 1:7, that supports the fig tree being Israel.

About 20 years ago, Jack Van Impe, used that verse in his interpretation of the parable of the fig tree. It seemed rationale at that time. Jack Van Impe was also speculating that king Juan Carlos was the Antichrist, based on Spain becoming the 11th nation to join the EU.

Using 1948 as the base year.....

1948 +70 years for a generation = 2018.

2018 - 7 years = 2011

But those years came and went. So it became time to rethink what the fig tree represents. Going by what Jesus said in Matthew 21, when cursed the fig tree beside the road, as he was about enter Jerusalem, that final week of His time here on earth - Jerusalem is the fig tree, and 1967 is when it became back in the hands of the Jews.