tailgator
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And false again.
Psalms 83 has not been fulfilled.
Those nations have not confederated yet and God has not destroyed those nations yet.Those ten horns confederate to destroy Israel.at the time of the end.
Gog and Magog of Ezekiel and Revelation are not the same.
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Psalms 83 has not been fulfilled.
Those nations have not confederated yet and God has not destroyed those nations yet.Those ten horns confederate to destroy Israel.at the time of the end.
Biden, Harriss, Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama all want to change laws. Norway instituted a mark. It is being suggested in many parts of the world. that way there will be no cash, no credit cards to steal!
Netanyahu is not the antichrist. At least he nas not displayed any of the biblical requirements for the beast. Before teh eleventh horn, eigtrh king, antichrit takes rule these must happen first:
The Russian invasion of Israel, some form of one world govt., ten rulers rule the world-then the beast rises to power by overthrowing three of the ten! Netanyahu would also have to sign a 7 year peace treaty with Israel- which is foolish from the start
tailgator
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Biden Harris Trump pelosi have not attempted to change as the Israeli laws so that they could make unreasonable laws.
IN your opinion but not Scriptures declarations.
But making murdering children legal, welcoming homosexuals as norm,al, paying for people to change sex- those are pretty big changing laws of nature!
Netanyahu is not the beast, He doesn't fit the description of Scripture. He has to meet all the criteria Scripture lays out and not just maybe one or tow- but all! And He doesn't come close
tailgator
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Yes the Israeli government fits the description.
It is little-check
It is in the pleasant land,-check
It came from the north west-check.
It subdued three kings -check
It recieved fatal wound -check
The fatal wound was healed-check
Its capital sits on seven hills-check
People from all nations and tongues and peoples followed after it -check
It reigns over all those people from all nations,peoples and tongues-check
It denies Jesus is the Christ -check
Wrong wrong wrong! Same could be said of America in all these!
Where are the other seven kings that give allegiance to the 11th horn?
When did Israel make a 7 year treaty with itself?
When did Israel rule the people who destroyed the sanctuary?
When was its fatal wound? Israel has always existed in gods eyes! Matter of fact the diaspora was designed by god who used Rome!
Where is the second beast telling the world tro follow the first beast! when did the angels travel the globe warning people not to take the mark?
Jews came from all four compass directions!
No one is saying who can make war with thte beast!
God has not abandoned His covenant with the land and people of Israel./
Sorry but you fail in all categories.
tailgator
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Not wrong.
Israel fulfills what is written of the beast.
The false prophet who calls itself Christian will support the beast to its bitter end.Like yourself it wants all to acknowledge the beast.
It will arrive in Israel probably next year after Trump is reelected.
Ronald D Milam
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Of course they did, AND they have to beat peace with Israel by the time Gog ands Magog happens because none of those same Nations take part in that war against Israel.
You do not even know the 10 (Complete Europe Revived) means the E.U. like I said in the other post, you are wrong on every post about end time eschatology, you need to start listening more my friend. So, Dan. 8:9 MANDATES the AC has to be born in Greece because of the DIRECTION he conquers from. Daniel 7:8-9 MANFDATES he has to come to political power out of the vestiges of the old Roman Empires Fourth Beast. In Isaiah 10 and elsewhere we are told this man will have Old Assyrian bloodline. So, you don't just start GUESSING, you have to combine all the clues.
The Messiah was said to be born in Bethlehem, elsewhere as a line unto David, elsewhere he was said to come out of Egypt. Well, to put that together, pre Jesus' return takes putting all the clues together. It made no sense to the carnal mind, how can he be born in Israel but come out of Egypt, but we now know a Messiah named Yeshua (Jesus) was born in Bethlehem, that had to flee unto Egypt as a baby to escape death. So, it makes sese now right? So, lets put the clues bout Anti-Christ together, lets not just guess.
So, he has to have old Assyrian blood, that kingdom was mostly Northern Iraq and Southern Turkey with a small sliver of Syria in the midst also. Then this man has to be born in Greece, which is WHY we get the full RUND0WN of every Greek King in Daniel 11 from Alexander the Great, to Antiochus in verses 21-34 and finally the Little Horn/Anti-Christ in verses 36-45. And finally this man must come to power in the territorial lands of the old Fourth Beast (Rome/E.U.).
So, let me weave it together for you. A man with ancestral bloodlines to old Assyria, meaning he would have ties unto modern day Iraq or Turkey, is born in "Greece" because his family at some point migrated too Greece and Turkey and Greece have a "Common Border" so that migration back and forth has probably been going on for over 2500 years, matters not when it happened. just that God's word points to this having to happen BECAUSE he is an Assyrian by bloodline and a Greek by birth. Then lastly, this man has to come to political power out of the vestiges of Old Rome. Well, Greece is in the European Union. So, it all fits like a glove.
You want tom see the Daniel 11:40-43 battle between the AC & E.U. and how he conquers Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region? The E.U. under the auspices of the European Neighborhood Policy or ENP currently have 7 year agreements that ran from 2007-2013, from 2014-2020 and is now renewed, with Israel and THE MANY (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria) so these nations YOU ASSUME come against Israel as THE 10 all get conquered by this Little Horn/AC in the end times, go read it. Then in Dan. 8:9 this shows he conquers to the East (Turkey), to the South (Egypt) and Israel, so that covers Turkey also, which is not on the map below, so add that int the picture also. Now does it look like Old Rome below after the AC/E.U. conquers in Dan. 11:40-43? Turkey, then he conquers nations in order to get at Israel (Jordan, Lebanon and Syria) then he conquers Egypt and Libya (all of North Africa) but it states he is not allowed to conquer Edom, Moab and Ammon (the Petra/Bozrah area) and I wonder why? Because that is where God protects the 5 Million Jews who repent !!
Below: Rome circa 117 AD. Notice how the above map LOOKS EXACTLY like Old Rome on a map !!
Take out the INSERTED Church Age and there is a CONTINUATION of the Fourth Beast !!
I have been called unto prophesy 40 years, I am not just guessing my friend.
The verse does not mean that the little horn person (who will become the Antichrist) must be born in Greece. But that he will head south and east toward the middle east and Israel with a strong (EU) army, staged in Greece.
"waxed" in that verse is metaphoric that his army will flow and spread like melted wax into the middle east. That he will destroy many by peace, Daniel 8:25, indicates that he will enter the middle east area on the grounds of being a peace keeper for the region.
Since Ezekiel 39 provides the timeline framework of the end times, and the final 7 years of Daniel 9's 70 weeks. What appears will happen is the Gog/Magog attack on Israel will appear imminent. So the little horn person, leader of a panel of ten EU leaders, will stage his EU army in Greece in hopes of being a deterrent.
The attack on Israel will take place anyway, and God supernaturally destroys Gog's army.
In the aftermath, the little horn person will move his EU army into the middle east on the premise of being peace keeper in the region.
The Jews will think the person, a Jew, is their long awaited King of Israel, messiah. The little horn, the prince who shall come following Gog/Magog, will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the false prophet. Thus, becoming the Antichrist.
The covenant that he will confirm, acting out the role of being the King of Israel, will be the Mt. Sinai covenant. The confirmation process will be a big speech from the temple mount, following the law that Moses made in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, a 7 year cycle.
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tailgator
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God has not destroyed the people in Psalms 83 yet.
They are still living there under different names.
So no,psalms 83 has not been fulfilled.It is fulfilled during war of armegeddon when the ten horns consent with one mind against the Lord.
This is who Psalms 83 is talking about.
Psalms 83:5
With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you
Revelation 17
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Well time will tell if you have received this from god or have been given doctrines of demons.
And you lying about what I wish to acknowledge is very prepubescent and un-Christian like.
I can defend all my positions for they come direct from the word of God without reinterpreting it, but accepting ti as written and understanding that all the symbols are defined in Scripture. You OTOH have had to resort to reinterpreting Scripture to make Scripture fit your hypothesis.
Ronald D Milam
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No its not, it means CONQUERS in those direction, because it also says the same thing about the Pleasant Land (Israel) and we know he conquers Israel. You were shown the first 6 Syrian Wars in Daniel 11 for a reason, the 7th Syrian war will be a man born in Greece conquering Turkey to the East (Seleucus) and then conquering Egypt to the South (Ptolemy) and that can be seen in Dan. 11:40-43, THAT IS Dan. 8:9 on.
No, I have told you this on many sites Dougeeee, they do not accept the AC, they join the E.U. and their President is the AC/Little Horn. You look to John 5:43 which was about the Pharisees of Jesus' time my friend. You are going to be disappointed, well, you will not be here, you will just be in error. Smile.
No, it means STRONG ARMS, he puts pressure on Israel, but to do what? Well what is the ONLY WAY Israel could be conquered? Think now........They are going to have to give up their nukes, I think thats what BURNING their weapons means, God foreknew that nukes could be used up for energy. In order to become a E.U. Member State Israel must give up their nuclear arsenal, and they will, this kicks off both the Rapture (pre trib.) and starts the 70th week.
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God broke that covenant long ago.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
The covenant broken by God's people.
Zechariah 11:4 Thus saith the LORD my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter;
Zechariah 11:5 Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.
Zechariah 11:6 For I will no more pity the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD: but, lo, I will deliver the men every one into his neighbour's hand, and into the hand of his king: and they shall smite the land, and out of their hand I will not deliver them.
Zechariah 11:7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.
Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
Zechariah 11:9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
Zechariah 11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
Zechariah 11:11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.
The covenant being broken by God, but only after the people broke it first.
Which is why He made a new covenant!
Paul explicitly tells us god has not abandoned His people! Ezekiel, Jeremiah , Zechariah and Isaiah all tell us that Israel would be scattered and regathered and judged by god and 2/3 killed during the trib period. The 1/3 that survive will all be saved and pray for Jesus to return according to Matthew!
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Well one can look at it that way, but He still saves the entire nation that is left and exalts them to the position He promised them.
All th eprophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem and Israel ruling over the Gentiles are all apart from the Mosaic Covenant.
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Which means he does save all Israel, just a 1/3rd of them in your view and that's 1/3 of one generation, while countless generations lived and died unsaved and are also lost so in your view, a tiny percentage of Israel is saved.
Nope. All end times prophecies were deeply affected by the loss of that covenant.
You claimed the original covenant was not abandoned by God. I proved that wrong.
You claimed the Jews was not abandoned by God. I proved that wrong. (only 1/3 are saved)
Now you think all prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalemetc are still valid? Do you think that's gonna be the one you are right about?
It is not my view but Scriptures:
Zechariah 13:8-9
King James Version
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
And just like the super majority of Gentiles are lost. So? It is gods Word so we must accept. Philosophizing about it does not alter the Word of God!
1. It was abandoned by God when Jesus was resurrected.
2. Paul proves you wrong:
Romans 11
King James Version
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
YOu may wish to nitpick how God worded things but that is fruitless.
3. It is not that I am right but that Scripture has declared it to be so.
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