The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Jay Ross]

No, that's is not what I wrote, said, nor implied.

Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit on the day that Jesus returns. And a thousand years later, released for a short time to deceived the nations. Then cast into the lake of fire.

The other fallen angels, at the same time as Satan is imprisoned, will also be imprisoned for a thousand years, before likewise being cast into the lake of fire.

Your post is confusing in that you have previously claimed that When Jesus Returns, he captures the Beast and the False Prophet and dispatches them immediately into the lake of fire.

Your logic filter is faulty

 

[Douggg]

Your post is confusing in that you have previously claimed that When Jesus Returns, he captures the Beast and the False Prophet and dispatches them immediately into the lake of fire.

Your logic filter is faulty

The beast and the false prophet will be two humans, not angels.

Those two humans will be cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, in Revelation 19:20.

At that same time when Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit prison, before joining the the beast and false prophet in the lake of fire a thousand years later, as will the other fallen angels likewise will be cast into the lake of fire at that time.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Jay Ross]

The beast and the false prophet will be two humans, not angels.

Those two humans will be cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns, in Revelation 19:20.

This again is another one of your flawed understandings. The Beast and false prophet of Rev 13 are wicked fallen heavenly hosts. Even Paul in Ephians 6:12 confirms this fact.

 

[Douggg]

This again is another one of your flawed understandings. The Beast and false prophet of Rev 13 are wicked fallen heavenly hosts. Even Paul in Ephians 6:12 confirms this fact.

Paul in Ephesians 6:12 does not say that the beast king and false prophet are fallen angels.

The number of the beast in Revelation 13:18 is the number of a man. The beast king will be a man.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Simonides]

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[Douggg]

A few questions for you prophecy experts?

What is the purpose of this debate?

Even the Apostles didn't understand prophecy until after its fulfillment, and it had to be explained to them.

Are you guys somehow more learned or spiritual than the Apostles?

There are numerous exhortations in scripture to treat our brothers with kindness and respect, and to avoid pointless arguments.

This entire thread, and pretty much every thread like it, is the very definition of pointless. And with very few exceptions, it clearly brings out the worst in everyone involved.

Do any of you actually read what you have written before you post it?

Please don't misunderstand me. What I'm saying here is as much about myself as it is you. I too am guilty of crossing the line from time to time. I do not always speak to my brothers and sisters in the proper manner. I quickly and easily allow my flesh to rule over my spirit. I'm just as guilty of these things as anyone else.

And it makes me ashamed when I realize that I have behaved in this manner.

The bible was given to us to teach us how to live before God, and how to live with one another in peace and love and unity, how to serve one another in humility.

Are we using the scriptures in this way?

Or rather, as a club to beat one another over the head, while attempting to prove our intellectual and moral superiority?

No matter how highly we may value our own opinions, the fact is. There are no prophecy experts in this forum. Because there are no prophecy experts anywhere. Period.

The bible is full of things that are easily understood, and meant to be put into practice.

We neglect these clear instructions from scripture, and their practice, to focus on things that are not easily understood, and will never be clearly understood, until only after they have taken place.

Is this not pride?

Is this not vanity?

Is this not sin?

If I've offended you, please forgive me.

As I said before, I'm just as guilty as the rest of you.

Perhaps you would like to join with me in my repentance.

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[Keraz]

What is the purpose of this debate?

Even the Apostles didn't understand prophecy until after its fulfillment, and it had to be explained to them.

Are you guys somehow more learned or spiritual than the Apostles?

We have been given the Prophesies, at least a quarter of our Bibles is unfulfilled Prophecy.
Are you saying to God: I don't care for Your information on the future?

The Apostles and the early Church didn't know about end times Prophecy, because it wasn't for them. They did take heed of Jesus Words in Luke 21:20-24, and they escaped to safety in Pella.

What we who promote the Prophesies are: is living nearly 2000 years after Jesus' first Advent. WE ARE in the end times, proved by signs of wars, famines and plagues.
We Christians should know what God has planned for our future. In fact: God may well ask us why we failed to take note of what He has so comprehensively told us about.

 

[Earburner]

Many confuse the timing of the battle of Gog and Magog with current events happening today. But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

Revelation 20:7-9 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog,to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”​

That depends on three factors of understanding of what God's REASON IS for a 1000 year period:
A period of 1000 years is understood to be either literally or figuratively.

1. A literal period of a 1000 years shall begin in the future.

2. A figurative period of a 1000 years has begun, but has not yet ended.

3. A literal period of a 1000 years has already ended and is now in the past.

So then the questions to ask are:
(A) who is Gog and Magog (G&M)?
(B) when shall they appear in the one of the three scenarios above?

A. They are the unsaved on the earth, in the Day God sends HIS Fire** to destroy them.

B. The time of their appearance, according to the three items above:
1. G&M are not yet present on the earth.
2. G&M are now present on the earth.
3. G&M were present on the earth and were destroyed.

Now, let's get to God's REASON for a period of a 1000 years.
KJV 2 Peter 3
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise [of salvation], as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[15] And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
Heb. 9
[28] So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

My conclusion is the above item #2:

In the simultaneous event of KJV 2Thes.1:7-10 (Luke 17:28-30), Jesus will NOT be appearing the "second time" as the "sin bearer" of the world!!​

[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us,  WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] **In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction [perdition] from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
Note:
KJV Mat. 13
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest [in the midst of harvest] I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to BURN them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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