The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

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Ronald Nolette

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Is this a metaphor?…..

Hosea 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
This is literal as it reiterated in 1 Cor. 15 and REv. 20

1 Corinthians 15:51-55​

King James Version​

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Isaiah 25:8
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.
What you fail to recognize is how to discern literal versus metaphorical or euphemistic uses of language.

God scattered Israel to the nations and called those nations their graves (they would stay there) and that he would revive them and bring them back to their land--Before the tribulation and one reason for the tribulation was to purge Israel and make them ready as Gods people and nation to receive Jesus as Messiah.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9

King James Version

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

If you demand that Israel is resurrected after the 1,000 years. You have a real problem. All you need do is compare Ez. 37 with Rev. 20 and you see that there is no room for the restoration and resurrection of Israel. YOu also need to remember that ez. 38 and 39 follow the events of 37.

also remember this:

Ezekiel 37

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1. The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

This is a vision as Ezekiel was carried away IN the spirit. so we can and should expect things in this to be metaphorical.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Bones do not speak.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

God is bringing Israel back to her land and God is preparing to judge them and purge the rebels from among them.
 

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God scattered Israel to the nations and called those nations their graves (they would stay there)
Where did God call those Nations their graves?
Before the tribulation and one reason for the tribulation was to purge Israel and make them ready as Gods people and nation to receive Jesus as Messiah.
What tribulation?

Ezekiel 20:33-38​

King James Version​

33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
What does that have to do with them coming out of their graves?

Zechariah 13:8-9​

King James Version​

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
That prophecy is about when the Roman army came and destroyed Jerusalem in 70 ad. Two thirds perished, one third fled into the wilderness.
If you demand that Israel is resurrected after the 1,000 years. You have a real problem.
I never said Israel is resurrected AFTER the thousand year reign of Christ. The saints are resurrected at the last trump on the last day BEFORE the thousand year reign of Christ.
All you need do is compare Ez. 37 with Rev. 20 and you see that there is no room for the restoration and resurrection of Israel. YOu also need to remember that ez. 38 and 39 follow the events of 37.

also remember this:

Ezekiel 37​

King James Version​

1. The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

This is a vision as Ezekiel was carried away IN the spirit. so we can and should expect things in this to be metaphorical.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Bones do not speak.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

God is bringing Israel back to her land and God is preparing to judge them and purge the rebels from among them.
Ezekiel 37 is showing the physical resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last trump at the last day. Then Israel shall dwell in the land of Israel in peace and safety without walls or bars and gates for a thousand years. AFTER which the nations (Gog and Magog) come and surround the camp of the saints in Jerusalem, and God destroys those Nations.
 

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32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

You truncated verse 34. Jesus was identifying what specific generation would see His return.
Wrong. Verse 33 shows what His parable was about. He told it to give an indication of how near His return would be when "ye shall see all these things". It will be as near as summer is when a fig tree "is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves". This generation refers to the Jewish people. They will not pass away until all the things that occur before Christ returns are fulfilled.

I am not asking you to speculate. I am asking you what the fig tree represents in Jesus's parable of the fig tree.
LOL! Doug, you are hilarious! You said this:

Comedian Douggg said:
I am asking you according to your understanding of Jesus's parable of the fig tree, what is the deadline of when He returns by ? I gave my rationale of sometime before the end of 2037.
You asked me what is the deadline of when Jesus returns by. But, you're not asking me to speculate? LOL!!! Doug, are you a comedian? If not, you have missed your calling in life. You most certainly are asking me to speculate on when I think Jesus will return. You did NOT ask me what the fig tree represents, you asked me the deadline by which Jesus will return. So, stop making things up. One more time, Doug. I'm not into speculating about when Jesus will return. Okay? Can you accept that and not ever ask me that again? Can you do that, Doug?

Also, I already said that the identity of the fig tree has nothing to do with what Jesus was saying there. His point was to give an illustration of how soon His return would be once they saw "all these things" coming to pass. It would be as near as summer is when the fig tree's "branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves".

Jesus was not talking about people in general in His parable of the fig tree - but a specific generation of people. That's why He said in Matthew 24:

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
No, He was talking about a specific type of people, which is another definition of that word. The Jews will not pass away until all the things He said they would see come to pass are fulfilled. That is when He will return, right after those things are fulfilled.
 

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To understand Jesus's parable of the fig tree requires (1) determine what the fig tree presents (2) how long is a generation.
Wrong. You are completely ignoring what He said in verse 33, which explains why He told the parable. He told the parable to give people an idea of how soon His return would be after they saw "all these things" come to pass. That's it. Identifying the fig tree has nothing to do with the point He made.

You choose a generation to be 30-40 years.
I don't choose that. That is a fact, Douggg. You are trying to create a definition for that word which doesn't exist. It never represents the average life span of human beings. But, I'm also saying that is not the type of generation that Jesus was talking about. I'm just telling you that your understanding of a chronological generation being 70 years is wrong. So, this 2037 nonsense needs to be thrown in the garbage because it's based on a made up definition of the word generation.

But you have yet to determine what the fig tree represents in Jesus's parable of the fig tree.
There's no need for that. You're not seeing that the point Jesus was making was how soon His return would be after they saw "all these things" come to pass. He was not making any point about what the fig tree represents or how long a generation would be or any nonsense like that. You always miss the context of scripture.

There are only two choices based on bible verses. (1) Israel (2) Jerusalem.
LOL. You forgot choice 3 which is that the parable illustrates how soon Jesus's return would be after we see "all these things" start to come to pass. He was talking about things like many false Christs and false prophets showing great signs and wonders deceiving even the very elect, if that were possible.

Israel as being the fig tree, has been eliminated because combinations based on Israel a nation in the land again - have all passed. That leaves Jerusalem as being the fig tree.
LOL. Go ahead and keep taking Jesus out of context while ignoring verse 33 if you want. Meanwhile, I will be careful to look for the context of what Jesus was talking about.
 

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You avoided my question.

Mar 3:26-27
(26) And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
(27) No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

Not at all! I have turned your question back to you. We need to establish an agreement that the strong man is Satan, do you? Then what is his house and the goods that Christ spoiled? To do these things, a strong man, has to be bound FIRST! It is NOT different from Revelation 12 and Revelation 20 where Satan was bound and cast out of the kingdom of heaven, unless you believe Satan will be bound more than once. Hello?
In the story of the strong man, is he cast and locked in a prison?

Yes! And the story is still talking about the same thing when compared with the rest of Scripture, especially Revelation. It is the same binding, casting out, and house being spoiled. And I can see that you do not understand what the bottomless pit is because it is NOT a literal place called "prison" where it can hold a spirit. God is painting a spiritual picture here.
The bottomless pit is SYMBOLISM for a boundless void of nothingness. It means Satan as a spirit being is held in IDLENESS, that his ability to deceive the gentiles or to prevent people from being saved (spoiled) as been restrained! It is because Christ has pour out of His Holy Spirit upon people in Satan's world (house) so that Satan can't prevent them from being saved (spoiled). The PURPROSE of Satan binding is so God can build his church filled with people he called but few are chosen! After the building of the church is finished, Satan will then deceive the nation (spiritual gentiles) once again so that they will NOT have a chance to get as saved, even if they seek for it:

Rev 9:3-6
(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
(5) And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
(6) And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

After the building of the church is finished, there are many people in the church who are NOT YET saved because they are not His chosen. So He gave them up to Satan to be deceived again even if they seek for salvation or have desired to be saved.

Nowhere in Scripture does it state that Satan needs to be bound in a specific place for a literal thousand years so there will be "world peace" on Earth. This idea envisions a beautiful landscape with waterfalls, where people can live peacefully, and depicts a scenario where a lion sits next to a lamb with Christ's throne in a golden city that covers 1,500 thousand miles square within the physical city of Jerusalem. This doctrine seems absurd and is unrelated to what Christ actually talked about.
 

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let's look at 1948 + 80 years = 2028, as not later than Jesus return.
It is not the glorious Return which those living on or before May 1948, will see next, but the great and terrible Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath. The worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal, that you wrongly place at the Return.
There will have to be at least 10 years after that before Jesus Returns and people like myself can still be alive in my nineties.
Israel as being the fig tree, has been eliminated because combinations based on Israel a nation in the land again - have all passed.
Jesus' Prophecy in Matthew 24:32, refers to the House of Judah, not their city. It is fulfilled by their presence in the holy Land.
 

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This is from blueletterbible.org in relation to the Greek word "genea":

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The confusion exists because so many Christians are unaware that there are several ways that this Greek word [genea] that is often translated generation, is used in the Bible. It is often in contrast to extra-Biblical or secular dictionary definitions. First of all, this word is from the root [genos], meaning a common birth or kin relationship, such as family. By extension it is used in the Scriptures in four very distinct, and yet intimately related ways.

1. Through kin or family, it denotes a particular member's patriarchal life span (generation) or related time period.
2. Through kin or family, it denotes a physical family's ancestry, posterity, lineage or genealogy.
3. Through kin or family, it denotes a spiritual family ancestry, as a kindred of Satan or evil.
4. Through kin or family, it denotes a spiritual family ancestry, as a kindred of Christ or righteousness.

There are actually four words that are translated "generation" in the New Testament. They are {genesis], [gennema], [genos] and [genea]. The root of all three refer back to family or kindred Of course, "by extension" it can also mean the period of a family line, or even a Patriarch's offspring, but the root is family. For example, if we were to declare that something occurred in the 4th generation, we would be saying that it happened in the family period of the 4th Patriarch child. So it would be illustrating a particular family relationship removed by three from the original Patriarch reference. W see a form of this in the listing of Christ's family in the first chapter of Matthew:

Matthew 1:1
  • "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."
This is the book of the [genesis], the origin, the family source or kindred of Jesus Christ. Obviously so, as it is a list of His ancestral or family history, again pointing to the fact that all these words are rooted in the "family" relationship. In other words, they are only listed there because they are his family line or ancestry. Understanding this principle, we can see how God unambiguously uses these words translated generation in Scripture, to signify not only the physical family of God, but the Spiritual family of God. Not coincidentally, He also uses it to speak of the spiritual family of His adversary, the Devil. These are two families are people of two contrasting and distinct seeds. Even as God Himself spoke of them in the Garden of Eden, and the enmity He declared would be between them. The children of God and children of the Devil are two diverse and distinct generations or families from these two seeds. The family of God extends all the way back to the beginning. Likewise, the family of Satan extends to the same period, illustrated vividly in the episode of Abel and Cain. The way that the word of God uses the phrase "the Generation of evil", makes it synonymous with the children (or family) of the Devil. It does not refer only to an immediate present day family group. The Generation of evil refers to all the seed of the Serpent throughout time, who are of that family by their Patriarchal relationship to the spirit of Satan. Just as the children of God refer to the whole family of God, which are a chosen generation, [genos] or family (1st Peter 2:9) extending throughout time. So it's not just people who happen to be living at the time in which the phrase was written. God uses these family relationships to illustrate those who are of the same spiritual kinship, as illustrated in passages like John chapter 8:

John 8:44
  • "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Once again we see that Christ is clearly explaining the divine truth that they were the kindred, seed or children of the Devil. They were part of a particular spiritual family group relationship and that is why Christ identifies their "father" as the Devil. Satan is the spiritual Patriarch reference for the whole generation or family of evil. Clearly, Satan has had many children throughout time, not merely these whom Christ was speaking to in this immediate context. All those under Satan's spiritual control are the generation or family of evil which has existed from the beginning. In Biblical terms, they are the spiritual offspring (generation) of their Patriarch reference, which is that old Serpent the Devil and Satan. Just as when Christ speaks of the people as a generation of vipers, He is identifying that seed, these children, that family group, as a people who serve their father Satan. He is not talking about everyone in that physical generation or time period. Nor were all living in that physical (generation) time span, this generation Christ spoke of. Nor could they be, since they all were not children of Satan or of evil.

Matthew 12:32-35
  • "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
  • Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
  • O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
  • A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things."
How can a [gennema] (meaning offspring or family) of vipers, children of the serpent, speak good things when they speak from their heart, which is full of evil. This family (translated generation) that Christ references is the seed of the serpent, children of vipers. That clearly cannot be all the physical generation alive at that time, which consists of the Apostles, John the Baptist, Mary, Elizabeth, or any of the true church of that period. They cannot commit the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Ghost. Of necessity it has to be only the unregenerate 'family' of the viper Satan. Not the whole generation living at that time, He spoke of the family of Satan who cannot escape the damnation of Hell--that generation. Therefore, when Christ calls them the [gennema] of vipers, he is not referring to all those people of that time (as many often understand generation to to mean), but he is speaking only of the seed of the serpent, Satan. It is a family or generation of evil that cannot escape judgment, and Satan is their spiritual Patriarch father.

The generation that Christ talked about in Matthew 24 is the generation of evil that INCLUDES the unsaved people in Christ's time. It continues until the last day when all things are fulfilled, then the whole generation of evil will end. No more wicked people will be found in the New Earth and New Heaven when Christ returns. For the sea (of wicked) will be no more.

Rev 21:1
(1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The chosen generation (all Saints from the Old Testament and New Testament) will continue forever in Christ. Therefore, God NEVER tell us to pinpoint so-calleed 40, 70, etc. years of generation on our calendar to build a cultic doctrine upon! Many of you missed what generation Christ talked about.
 
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Jay, in your post, you presented the word "age" as being part of a translation - not noting it as "your paraphrase" - because you omitted the word "generation".

In the future, please copy and paste verses from whatever translation you are using - without omitting words and replacing the omitted words with you own words.

Douggg, I had indicated that I had changed the word "generation" to the word "age" by highlighting the word "age" in a different colour to the rest of the verse. Now the translation of the Greek word "Genea" by the translators as "Generation" is not wrong as the word "generation" in the OT is interchangeable with the word "Age." Where the error is created by people is that they have added the word "descendant" in their understanding as this is the usual understanding of the word "generation" today.

As I pointed out, the descendant generation at the beginning of the seventh age only see the events that occur during their lifetime just and the descendant generations at the end of the seventh age only see the events that occur during their lifetime. The verse 34 suggests that: -" Assuredly, I say to you, this age/generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." since Christ was telling the disciples what was to happen during the End Times which spans a period of time which is longer than 1,000 year. As such the common interpretation of today is that Christ was talking about the "descendant generation" of His day is misleading and enforces the wrong understanding of what happens and when it happens.

"age" is too broad, and contains many generations. Jesus was speaking about one specific generation that will see His return.

We need to (1) determine what the fig tree presents (2) how long is a generation.

If Christ was talking about one specific descendant generation that will see His return, then by your logic Christ was talking about the descendant generation that will be alive at the end of the seventh age when Christs descends down from Heaven to judge all of mankind and as such we cannot use the descendant generation that was alive during Christ's first advent.

Jay, please note, I have not made any personal degrading comments regarding your understanding of the bible in my reply to your post content. Please try to do the same.

Douggg, in the post that you referenced and quoted, I had made no personal degrading comments regarding your understanding of the Bible in that post. Previously you told me that I needed to use your favourite program and need to generate a diagram like the ones that you produced. You have also told other members that they too should generate diagrams to explain their perspective of the scriptures. When I did provide a diagram, you said that it was too complicated and unreadable which was what I had suggested would be the case.

Douggg you want others to do things your way and to understand the end time in the same manner that you understand the scriptures, but if your understanding of Matt 24:34 is flawed, why should we accept the ad nauseum posting of your diagrams as being gospel which they are not.

Matt 24:34 is not the only verse where the translators have got things wrong. When we see these errors in their translations, these errors should be pointed out, but because others accept that there are no errors in the translators' work, we end up with arguments over who is right without being able to hear or see God's truth in what the scriptures present.

Goodbye
 

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It means that those 40 or so translations - all of them said "generation".

Having multiply agreement in translation does not make the "traditional" translations right at all, it just means that multiple translators have adopted the same error in their respective translations.
 

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Douggg, I had indicated that I had changed the word "generation" to the word "age" by highlighting the word "age" in a different colour to the rest of the verse.
Jay, allow me to suggest you do it like this....

"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation [age] will by no means pass away till all these things take place."
My comments in brackets.
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That way, by using brackets and saying that your comments are in the brackets, everyone will know that "age" being in brackets is your comment, and not part of the copy and pasted text.

Other means are used to highlight or point out specific words in a verse.
1. using a different color than black.
2. underlining word(s)
3. bolding word)s

For example...

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
 
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Having multiply agreement in translation does not make the "traditional" translations right at all, it just means that multiple translators have adopted the same error in their respective translations.
Jay, that all of the translations have "generation" and not "age" means that "age" was not the intent of Jesus's parable.

btw, each translations usually involves a committee of translators, cross checking each other in developing the translation.
 

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Jesus' Prophecy in Matthew 24:32, refers to the House of Judah, not their city. It is fulfilled by their presence in the holy Land.
keras, 2028 has been eliminated - because the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 would have had to start by 2021. But it did not happen, and is still future.
 

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Wrong. You are completely ignoring what He said in verse 33, which explains why He told the parable. He told the parable to give people an idea of how soon His return would be after they saw "all these things" come to pass. That's it. Identifying the fig tree has nothing to do with the point He made.
When you remove the fig tree as representing something - you make the parable meaningless.

I don't choose that. That is a fact, Douggg.
No, it is a choice that you made - with out scriptural backing. Scripture Psalms 90:10 indicates a generation to be 70 years.
 

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Jay, that all of the translations have "generation" and not "age" means that "age" was not the intent of Jesus's parable.

btw, each translations usually involves a committee of translators, cross checking each other in developing the translation.

That is your opinion and it does not stack up. Many committees get things wrong and the various translation committees have also introduced error into their respective translations. Committees all work through political influence and those influences does not mean that the committee gets it right all of the time.

When looking at the translated bibles, I often have to refer to the interlinear to establish whether or not the translators have got it right or not. Do you consider the interlinear texts to verify the correctness of the translations?

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Jay, allow me to suggest you do it like this....

"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation [age] will by no means pass away till all these things take place."
My comments in brackets.
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That way, by using brackets and saying that your comments are in the brackets, everyone will know that "age" being in brackets is your comment, and not part of the copy and pasted text.

Other means are used to highlight or point out specific words in a verse.
1. using a different color than black.
2. underlining word(s)
3. bolding word)s

For example...

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Douggg, go and teach your grandmother to suck egg will you.

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When you remove the fig tree as representing something - you make the parable meaningless.
That is complete nonsense. I told you what it means, but you are too stubborn to see it. Is Matthew 24:33 in your Bible? That shows what it means. The nearness of His return when "all these things" begin to come to pass is like the nearness of summer when a fig tree's branch starts to put forth leaves. You are reading more into it than was intended because you don't see the relationship between verses 32 and 33.

No, it is a choice that you made - with out scriptural backing. Scripture Psalms 90:10 indicates a generation to be 70 years.
Your are being foolish by trying to create a definition for the word generation that doesn't exist. The word is not a synonym for the average human life span, which is what Psalm 90:10 is about. The word has several definitions, but that isn't one of them. When it comes to a chronological generation like what you think the word means in Matthew 24:34, a generation lasts for about 30 to 40 years. Not 70 years. So, you have no clue as to what you're talking about. As usual, you need to make up new definitions for words and twist scripture to make it fit your false doctrine.
 

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That is complete nonsense. I told you what it means, but you are too stubborn to see it. Is Matthew 24:33 in your Bible? That shows what it means. The nearness of His return when "all these things" begin to come to pass is like the nearness of summer when a fig tree's branch starts to put forth leaves. You are reading more into it than was intended because you don't see the relationship between verses 32 and 33.
Jesus's parable was not learn a parable of "a" tree, but of the fig tree, specifically.

Do you hold a replacement theology position that the church has replaced Israel ? And therefore, you cannot accept that the fig tree represents either Israel or Jerusalem ?


When it comes to a chronological generation like what you think the word means in Matthew 24:34, a generation lasts for about 30 to 40 years. Not 70 years.

Based on what bible passage(s) ?
 
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When looking at the translated bibles, I often have to refer to the interlinear to establish whether or not the translators have got it right or not. Do you consider the interlinear texts to verify the correctness of the translations?
I don't use interlinear bibles. And I am not familiar with them. My guess interlinear bibles are similar to commentary, but between the lines.

I use the kjv bible.
 
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keras, 2028 has been eliminated - because the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 would have had to start by 2021. But it did not happen, and is still future.
Your error is to think the Return comes within the 80 year deadline.
The event that must happen before the generation of people alive when the Jewish State of Israel was established, passes away; is the world changer of the Sixth Seal.
Why is it so difficult for you and most, to see that the current situation in the Middle East must be resolved before Jesus Returns and how this will be done by the Lord Himself? Over 100 Prophesies tell about this dramatic disaster and clearance of the Middle East region.