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Ritajanice

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Paul also explains it in prety much the same way

eph 1:
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
We are redeemed because of the blood of the Lamb.

We are made right before God in our spirit, it’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that we can become Born Of The Spirit...that’s why he had to die...so that we can be Born Of His Spirit.

So no...it’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus...that we can be Born Of The Spirit.

Your quoting scripture is how you understand what that scripture is saying.

I disagree with your interpretation of that scripture.

Therefore my opinion of that scripture is no more or less valid than yours...it’s our interpretation and said scripture and opinions .
 

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Okay, that wasn't hard!

Forgive me Rita but you have an unhealthy resistence to the Written Word, which I'm trying to work out why that is.

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You're trying to turn the table and claim RJ doesn't understand scripture? Just to avoid answering questions she posed to you.

You accuse her of Trolling you?
That method of avoidance won't work either.
 
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He said we discern by using the word.
No we don’t the Holy Spirit in our spirit gives us discernment...the written word backs that truth up.
You claim we do not need the word..
I claim you do not need to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit.

We only need the written word to grow and mature in Christ..who brings us to mature in Christ?
You have said more than this

yawn.. You don't get it

its ok, Alot of people do not get it..
Again..I’m not sure what I’m supposed to “ get”?
 
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John 3:
0 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned;
but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Paul also explains it in prety much the same way

eph 1:
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

1. Our redemption comes through faith. after we hear and believe


eph 2:
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

1. We are made alive By grace
2. this grace is supplied THROUGH FAITH

You wanted scripture. there you have it. These passages (and so much more) refute your fatalistic view..
This scripture supports “ your “ view on what it means to be Born Again.

Therefore your own opinion/ testimony and belief....

I’ve already addressed this scripture and asked you questions regarding what it means...unfortunately to no Avail..you need to understand the scripture my friend in your spirit , only the Spirit can bring you to understand this scripture that you post...and as of yet..I only see human understanding of it...I see no spiritual life in any of your words.
All in my opinion of course.
 
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John 3:
0 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned;
but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
This is not how Jesus explains being Born Again to Nicodemus...you left the first part out on how we become Born Again, Jesus explains it well to Nicodemus.

Of course he had no understanding of what Jesus was saying, because he wasn’t Born Again.

He thought he had to enter his mother’s womb a second time.
 
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We are redeemed because of the blood of the Lamb.

We are made right before God in our spirit, it’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that we can become Born Of The Spirit...that’s why he had to die...so that we can be Born Of His Spirit.

So no...it’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus...that we can be Born Of The Spirit.

Your quoting scripture is how you understand what that scripture is saying.

I disagree with your interpretation of that scripture.

Therefore my opinion of that scripture is no more or less valid than yours...it’s our interpretation and said scripture and opinions .
lol

either refute my interpretation by doing as I did and explaining what those words are actually saying

or prove you can not.. In which case, By your silence I have proven my point.
 

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This is not how Jesus explains being Born Again to Nicodemus...you left the first part out on how we become Born Again, Jesus explains it well to Nicodemus.

Of course he had no understanding of what Jesus was saying, because he wasn’t Born Again.

He thought he had to enter his mother’s womb a second time.
It's odd to find those who take issue with our references to being born again,would you agree?

After all,that's what makes all the difference.
 
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No we don’t the Holy Spirit in our spirit gives us discernment...the written word backs that truth up.

I claim you do not need to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit.

We only need the written word to grow and mature in Christ..who brings us to mature in Christ?

Again..I’m not sure what I’m supposed to “ get”?
THE WORD?
THE GOSPEL?
HOW TO BE BORN AGAIN?
BIBLICAL FREE WILL?

there are alot of things you do not get..
 

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lol

either refute my interpretation by doing as I did and explaining what those words are actually saying

or prove you can not.. In which case, By your silence I have proven my point.


I have asked you so many questions on the scripture that you post to no avail...

I’ve asked you many times what it means, you never answer?

Scroll back and see all the questions I have asked you?

You said you are Alive in Christ, I ask again how do you know you are Alive in Christ..just by reading scripture?
 
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This scripture supports “ your “ view on what it means to be Born Again.
Well of course it does. Because I agree with what Jesus said.. The word should support our view
Therefore your own opinion/ testimony and belief....
No, Just jesus words
I’ve already addressed this scripture and asked you questions regarding what it means...
I know what it means and have explained it to you multiple times.. Yet you will not acknowledge it
unfortunately to no Avail..
Yes, No avail trying to help you understand, I can;t do that, Only God can


you need to understand the scripture my friend in your spirit ,
I do.
only the Spirit can bring you to understand this scripture that you post...
He did
and as of yet..I only see human understanding of it..
That would be your understanding.. I just take Jesus at his words.

Nicodemus asked, How can these things be Because nicodemus did not understand yet how to be born again

Jesus answered him..

Plain and simple.


.I see no spiritual life in any of your words.
All in my opinion of course.
You can;t see what you do not want to see.
 

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This is not how Jesus explains being Born Again to Nicodemus...you left the first part out on how we become Born Again, Jesus explains it well to Nicodemus.
Your wrong

Nicodemus asked the question. How can these things be (how is this done)

Jesus answered him

You ignore this fact.
Of course he had no understanding of what Jesus was saying, because he wasn’t Born Again.
Of course. Because he had not yet done what Jesus said he must do.. But I am sure after jesus explained it. He did
He thought he had to enter his mother’s womb a second time.
Yes.

But that does not help your case. Jesus explained it to him

But you only pick out parts and leave the whole. and make your own view of what it says apart from context
 

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THE WORD?
THE GOSPEL?
HOW TO BE BORN AGAIN?
BIBLICAL FREE WILL?

there are alot of things you do not get..
There is nowhere in scripture that says you are Born Of The Spirit by your own free will..afraid not.

As Gods word says, we are Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again/ Spirit gives birth to spirit/ Born Again of imperishable seed.

If you are saved ,then you must be Born Again the two are in harmony with each other...we are saved from eternal damnation once our spirit is right before God, when he makes it Born Again by His /supernatural power...you do not freely choose and tell him when he can do that..it’s not biblical I’m afraid.
 
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It's odd to find those who take issue with our references to being born again,would you agree?

After all,that's what makes all the difference.
I have no issue with any reference to being born again. You should be ashamed of yourself bearing false witness like this

I have an issue with those who fail to understand of what it means or how to be born again,
 

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Well of course it does. Because I agree with what Jesus said.. The word should support our view

No, Just jesus words
Again your own personal opinion.
I know what it means and have explained it to you multiple times.. Yet you will not acknowledge it

Yes, No avail trying to help you understand, I can;t do that, Only God can
You have explained your own opinion of scripture and what it means to be Born Of The Spirit.
I do.

He did

That would be your understanding.. I just take Jesus at his words.

Nicodemus asked, How can these things be Because nicodemus did not understand yet how to be born again

Jesus answered him..

Plain and simple.



You can;t see what you do not want to see.
Again empty meaningless words I’m afraid...
 
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I have no issue with any reference to being born again. You should be ashamed of yourself bearing false witness like this

I have an issue with those who fail to understand of what it means or how to be born again,
Do you understand this scripture sweetie?


Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
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18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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There is nowhere in scripture that says you are Born Of The Spirit by your own free will..afraid not.
John 1 - but as many as have recieved him
John 3 - that whoever believes
John 4 - ask, and god will give us living water flowing to life (new birtht)
John 5 - Whoever sees and believes
John 6, Eat the bread from heaven, in faith
Eph 1 Hear the word. then believe it
eph 2, Grace THROUGH FAITH

Its there, you just can not see it.


As Gods word says, we are Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again/ Spirit gives birth to spirit/ Born Again of imperishable seed.
Yes I was born of the spirit,. when? When I trusted him
Yes, I was born a second time (again) when I was born of the spirit, because I again believed in him and received him
Spirit gives birth to spirit is not found in scripture. please stop posting these words.
The seed that birthed me will never perish, this U can never be unborn, this is called eternal life. And jesus said multiple times I get this when I believe

If you are saved ,then you must be Born Again the two are in harmony with each other...
I am saved because I am born again, Because I was justifed by faith. apart from faith. I am not saved nor am I born again
we are saved from eternal damnation once our spirit is right before God, when he makes it Born Again by His /supernatural power..
Yes. But he will not force it on you. His will is that you chose to recieve his gift.

thats why it is called the gift of God.. I can reject a gift, I do nto have to take it. Thats why Jesus said whoever believes (receives) is not condemned. whoever does not believes (rejects his gift) is condemned already

The only difference between a child of God and a non child of God is faith

one trusts God. one does not
.you do not freely choose and tell him when he can do that..it’s not biblical I’m afraid.
 

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Again your own personal opinion.
Yes, Jesus words and what Jesus proclaimed is my opinion. I trust Jesus in what he said
You have explained your own opinion of scripture and what it means to be Born Of The Spirit.

Again empty meaningless words I’m afraid...
I just repeated jesus words.

its good to know you think Jesus words are meaningless.. I will put this in the file with how you think the bible is meaningless..
 

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Yes, Jesus words and what Jesus proclaimed is my opinion. I trust Jesus in what he said

I just repeated jesus words.

its good to know you think Jesus words are meaningless.. I will put this in the file with how you think the bible is meaningless..
Again my lovely..you throwing accusations of me around again I’m afraid.
 

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Do you understand this scripture sweetie?


Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
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18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
well yes. this is the foundation of my faith

But non of this will matter if your not born again

and in order to be born again, you must be justified freely so that your sin is forgiven and you are adopted as Gods child.

This ONLY happens By Gods grace offered to all. and through faith in him
 

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Again my lovely..you throwing accusations of me around again I’m afraid.
The truth hurts, I know

I repeat jesus words.

and you keep telling everyone it is my opinion

I do not falsely accuse you. unlike you who continue to falsely accuse so many people because you fail to read what they are sasying
 
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