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[Eternally Grateful]

You have never ever corrected my errors, neither have the other two.

Well thats for the reader to see.

You can deny it all you want. It does not mean it never happened.,

Thats your problem. You refuse to take honest rebuttle to your view

So I ask again show me my error that we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Holy Spirit?

Your wrong on many areas, why are you now trying to isolate it to one thing?

Come on!!!!

Instead of voicing your own opinion show me where I’m in error..I speak Gods truth and am led by His Living Spirit to do so?

Your not led By Gods spirit..

Once again your own opinion, I refuse to react to your worldly talk.

Yet you can talk worldly all you want.

That's being a hypocrite!

Now please tell me again...did you not say that the cross was the imperishable seed that we are Born Again of?

You need more than the written word my friend you need God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit to make your spirit come to life.

The cross does not make your spirit Born Again and readers or guests need to know this un- truth that you post.

This once again just proves you read what people say like you do the bible. with no understanding.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well thats for the reader to see.

You can deny it all you want. It does not mean it never happened.,

Once again an opinion.

Thats your problem. You refuse to take honest rebuttle to your view

Your wrong on many areas, why are you now trying to isolate it to one thing?

Come on!!!!

Then prove it instead of all your silly accusations?

Your not led By Gods spirit..

You bear false witness against God’s Spirit.

Do you understand the scripture where it says?

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

Yet you can talk worldly all you want.

That's being a hypocrite!

This once again just proves you read what people say like you do the bible. with no understanding.

Again just an opinion with no backing of Gods word.

This isn’t an opinion competition..I’m trying to get you to show me my errors?

You said I don’t know what it means to be Born Again?

Then correct my error by using the written word?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So tell us how are we made Alive in Christ?

I have told you so many times I have lost count.

Jesus told us (by believing in him) John 3, John 5 and John 6)

Paul told us it is by believing in him, for by grace we have been saved through grace.

If you would have read my post. you would have seen that. but as usual you nit pick..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Once again an opinion.

Seem to be an opinion many people have

Then prove it instead of all your silly accusations?

We have proven it..

You bear false witness against God’s Spirit.

Do you understand the scripture where it says?

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

No. You bear false wi9tness by calling God a liar

Again just an opinion with no backing of Gods word.

I need Gods word to prove you are talking worldly?

This isn’t an opinion competition..I’m trying to get you to show me my errors?

You said I don’t know what it means to be Born Again?

You don't

Then correct my error by using the written word?

I HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES

 

[Ritajanice]

I have told you so many times I have lost count.

Jesus told us (by believing in him) John 3, John 5 and John 6)

You cannot believe in Jesus without being Born Of The Spirit..I have tried to explain this countless times to you.

You cannot cry out to the Father if you don’t know him in your spirit...that why Spirit must give birth to spirit.
You need the Spirit Of adoption to cry out to the Father just as is written.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
Looking to the cross doesn’t make your spirit Born Again..that is not how Gods word says we are Born Again..we are Born Of The Spirit/ Born from above.....it’s because of the cross that our spirit can become Born Again..the Spirit is everywhere just like the wind ,you cannot see the Spirit Of God and you can’t see him when he makes our spirit Born Again.

Now please correct my error?

Paul told us it is by believing in him, for by grace we have been saved through grace.

I’ve already posted scripture saying faith is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit and still you don’t answer where the Spirit manifests itself in us?

If you would have read my post. you would have seen that. but as usual you nit pick..

Show me where I nit pick?

I am posting Gods word...not your word.

 

[Ritajanice]

Seem to be an opinion many people have

We have proven it..

you and 2 others have voiced opinions the same as me...your and their truth is not Gods truth...just because all you 3 agree doesn’t make it Gods truth...it’s what “ you” and the other 2 believe the word of God is saying....I don’t agree with your 3s interpretation of scripture...therefore I am free to challenge your understanding of scripture..

It’s quite scary that you actually keep telling me I’m in error and you aren’t....you have no power my friend ( spiritual) the power belongs tomGod sweetie via His Spirit....there is no power in you or I ,without being Born Of The Spirit.

No. You bear false wi9tness by calling God a liar

You said we are not led by the Spirit..you bear false witness.

I need Gods word to prove you are talking worldly?

It’s all in your words that you are talking in the flesh, there is nothing edifying or spiritual coming out of your mouth..there just opinions.

You don't

I HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES

No you haven’t..

The Bible does not make you into Jesus image, neither can it make you bear the fruit of Jesus.

You need heart revelation my friend..not what “ you” think the written word is saying.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You cannot believe in Jesus without being Born Of The Spirit..I have tried to explain this countless times to you.

If you can not believe in Jesus before you are born again, You can not be born again, it would be impossible.. Yes, you have tried to explain it your way. and have failed misserably. because the bible does not support this fatalistic view.

You cannot cry out to the Father if you don’t know him in your spirit...that why Spirit must give birth to spirit.

This is not in scripture..

Looking to the cross doesn’t make your spirit Born Again..

Jesus said different. As moses lifted the serpent (whoever looked were spared and literally born again from death) The son of man must be lifted that WHOEVER BELIEVES should not Perish (continue in deatrh) but has eternal life (made alive again, this new life being eternal)

that is not how Gods word says we are Born Again..we are Born Of The Spirit/ Born from above.....

Yes, that is who makes us born again, But that is not why we are born again

it’s because of the cross that our spirit can become Born Again..the Spirit is everywhere just like the wind ,you cannot see the Spirit Of God and you can’t see him when he makes our spirit Born Again.

No. But God does not just make you born again. He must remove the penalty of sin firstl. this is called justification. We are justified by faith..

You have people born again IN SIN..

Now please correct my error?

I just did for the umpteenth time.

But for the umpteenth time you will resjst what the word says and say I have not answered you

I’ve already posted scripture saying faith is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit and still you don’t answer where the Spirit manifests itself in us?

Yeah, Its to bad you do not understand the scripture you posted.

Show me where I nit pick?

I am posting Gods word...not your word.

No. Your posting your interpretation of Gods word.

And you are nit picking, doing like most people do and pulling small verses out of context and ignoring the passage and putting your spin on what these few words mean

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you and 2 others have voiced opinions the same as me...your and their truth is not Gods truth...just because all you 3 agree doesn’t make it Gods truth...it’s what “ you” and the other 2 believe the word of God is saying....I don’t agree with your 3s interpretation of scripture...

lol. Its more than three..

You said we are not led by the Spirit..you bear false witness.

YOU are not led by the spirit.. If you were you would understand what the spirit had man write down.

It’s all in your words that you are talking in the flesh, there is nothing edifying or spiritual coming out of your mouth..there just opinions.

And you are edifying people by continually tearing them down and trying to insert your opinion?

Once again, the hypocrite speaks. Practice what you preach..

No you haven’t..

The Bible does not make you into Jesus image, neither can it make you bear the fruit of Jesus.

You need heart revelation my friend..not what “ you” think the written word is saying.

Sorry. But unless I have the bible I have NO WAY to test the spirits like you who can make up things and call them from God. when they are not.

Sorry If I chose to be like the bereans

10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as me

The tested pauls words by searching scripture

According to you. this is not required..

 

[Ritajanice]

If you can not believe in Jesus before you are born again, You can not be born again, it would be impossible.. Yes, you have tried to explain it your way. and have failed misserably. because the bible does not support this fatalistic view.

God brings us to initially believe in Jesus, how does God draw us to Jesus?

Now my friend, in order to believe in your heart/ spirit that Jesus is who he says he is, then you need that vital ingredient from above, God given faith a manifestation of the Spirit?

If your spirit isn’t Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...then you are still dead and alienated from God

This is not in scripture..

Jesus said different. As moses lifted the serpent (whoever looked were spared and literally born again from death) The son of man must be lifted that WHOEVER BELIEVES should not Perish (continue in deatrh) but has eternal life (made alive again, this new life being eternal)

Yes it is scripture..we are Born Of The Spirit, like the wind, you can’t see it, you also can’t see the Holy Spirit. just as Jesus explains Nicodemus.

Sorry, that is not how God says we are Born Again...Born Again is a Living Spiritual birth.

You cannot believe in Jesus without His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit witnessing that to your heart/spirit, just as His written word says..also Spirit gives birth to spirit

Yes, that is who makes us born again, But that is not why we are born again

What do you mean that is not why we are Born Again?

We were chosen and predestined to become children of God, we are saints...chosen all according to his purpose and plan?

No. But God does not just make you born again. He must remove the penalty of sin firstl. this is called justification. We are justified by faith..

He must forgive our sins first before he makes our spirit Born Again, I’ve never said otherwise...

You have people born again IN SIN..

You have people Born Again in sin?..

Afraid not...our sins are forgiven by God when he brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow...then we are Born Again by the power of His Spirit.

I just did for the umpteenth time.

But for the umpteenth time you will resjst what the word says and say I have not answered you

Yeah, Its to bad you do not understand the scripture you posted.

No. Your posting your interpretation of Gods word.

And you are nit picking, doing like most people do and pulling small verses out of context and ignoring the passage and putting your spin on what these few words mean

Once again, you evade my questions and voice yet again your worldly/ flesh opinions.

 

[Ritajanice]

lol. Its more than three..

And?...whose to say you aren’t all in error?..plus you are all freewillers...I am not....that’s why you agree with each other’s doctrine.

There is nowhere in scripture that says I am a freewill Born Again....that is all your own understanding of what you believe The scriptures to be saying....

YOU are not led by the spirit.. If you were you would understand what the spirit had man write down.

What?..none of this is Biblical..I’ve just posted scripture that we are led by the Spirit and the only way that can happen is..we must be Born Again/ Born from above/ Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again of imperishable seed..

And you are edifying people by continually tearing them down and trying to insert your opinion?

Tearing down what?...your words?..of course I will rebuke them..

Once again, the hypocrite speaks. Practice what you preach..

Explain?

Sorry. But unless I have the bible I have NO WAY to test the spirits like you who can make up things and call them from God. when they are not.

Then please prove my error by using scripture, thank you.

Sorry If I chose to be like the bereans

10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as me

What has this got to do with being Born Of The Spirit?

You can’t be Born Of The Spirit, just by reading the written word in your own human intellect now can you?

The tested pauls words by searching scripture

According to you. this is not required..

No searching of scripture is at all necessary..for one to become Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

That is heart/ spirit revelation...a real Living/ Live spiritual birth...my friend, as I say you need heart revelation.

Just as God says..The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....now what do you think that means?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit....is that a dead spirit...or Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit?

Only he can testify to our spirit that we are Born Of The Spirit my friend.

The written word explains how it all happens my friend, but we need that vital ingredient to witness Gods written word to our heart/ spirit...that person is the Living Holy Spirit...he is the only one who can testify Gods truth to our heart/ spirit...I pray for you to receive that heart revelation..and for the others who agree with your doctrine.

 

[JBO]

So tell us how are we made Alive in Christ?

1 Corinthians 15:22 is not speaking about being born again. Rather the subject there is the resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns.

In Adam and in Christ are both universal references. They apply to every human being, past, present and future. Both the good and the bad will experience resurrection, the coming back to life.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice
John 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

 

[Ritajanice]

The tested pauls words by searching scripture

According to you. this is not required.

I have never said we don’t need to test the spirits.

God gives us discernment to test the spirits..

I:said no one needs to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit.

Short commentary.

The New Testament also addresses discernment, with the Apostle Paul encouraging believers to develop a discerning spirit. In Philippians 1:9-10 (NIV), Paul prays, "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ." Here, discernment is linked to love, knowledge, and pursuing what is morally excellent.

Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 (NIV), Paul speaks about spiritual discernment, stating, "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments." This passage highlights the role of the Holy Spirit in providing believers with the ability to discern spiritual truths.

 

[Scott Downey]

This only works on the level of holiness. No one is partially holy. Either one is holy or not. We are all lost sheep until we are walking in an intimate relationship with God...in His power and in His location. In Christ we don't sin....we walk in the same life and power that He did. So then from THAT perspective, we are totally incapable of achieving that level of walk without abiding in Christ. It's like we are totally unable to fly UNLESS we abide in an aircraft designed to make humans fly. As we abide in the aircraft we defeat gravity..since the law of flight is stronger than the law of gravity. Likewise the law of life IN Christ is stronger than the law of sin and death.

We need to remain faithful till the end to be saved. There are NO conditions to an INITIAL election. But after that we need to be faithful. Those who remain with the Lord in eternity are called chosen AND faithful.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev. 17:14




Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. But He was only raised for the justification of those who follow Him into life.

Atonement means to be purified, cleaned, sanctified. Although the atonement was for all flesh only a very few will be sanctified.


Again the INITIAL grace is irresistible. God knows how to get our attention. However, after that, we are judged by our obedience. We can fall away...we can draw back, we can be diverted from further growth through being deviated into carnal means.

You left out the P in TULIP.....the perseverance of the saints

It's easy to say that the saints are those who remain in the grace of God. Not all who are called to be saints achieve that. Many are called, few are chosen...and fewer still are faithful.



But the "unsaved" can still be acceptable to God. The bible attests to this. God justifies the ungodly. In fact, we can be likewise justified by accepting that God accepts people who are NOT believers or Godly.


That's true. We have been given an inner witness through regeneration. However, that witness is very gentle and can be overcome by an unruly, loud, and puffed up religious outer man. It is "Be still and know that I am God..."

To even be faithful one must first be called and chosen. That is God's will that none of those He has given to Christ be lost.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God brings us to initially believe in Jesus, how does God draw us to Jesus?

Through his creation (Romans 1) through his people (people witnessing to us, Watching people who are saved walk in the light, and having that lite draw us to them and Christ) Through the body of CHrist. through is written word. and through the Holy Spirit.

I know for me it was my parents and My church. and me praying for weeks on end in fear begging God to save me, Until I went forward and someone sat me down with the word and walked me through scripture and helped bring this mess I had in my head together in a logical way, That I finally in faith fell to my knees and cried out for Jesus..

I praise God forbringing all the people in my life who helped and his word..

Now my friend, in order to believe in your heart/ spirit that Jesus is who he says he is, then you need that vital ingredient from above, God given faith a manifestation of the Spirit?

This is fatalisitc calvinistic mumbo jumbo.

If your spirit isn’t Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...then you are still dead and alienated from God

Your right.

And if my sin is not forgiven, I am still dead, because the wage of sin is death, the gift of God is life..

I can;t be made alive while still under the penalty of sin.

Yes it is scripture..we are Born Of The Spirit, like the wind, you can’t see it, you also can’t see the Holy Spirit. just as Jesus explains Nicodemus.

Your right, I do not know where it came from. But I know when it happened. When I got on my knees and cried out and asked for Gods grace gift of eternal life.

Sorry, that is not how God says we are Born Again...Born Again is a Living Spiritual birth.

You have no idea what it means, so please do not try to correct me when you yourself do not know

You cannot believe in Jesus without His Living Witness the Living Holy Spirit witnessing that to your heart/spirit,

I never said otherwise.. The Holy Spirit drew me, He helped me to understand, and he brought people into my life.

But I had to act on it. or I would still be dead.

just as His written word says..also Spirit gives birth to spirit

This is not found in scripture

It says he who is born of the spirit.. It does not say the spirit births our spirit

I was made live. ME!! How you continue to fail to grasp this truth boggles my mind

What do you mean that is not why we are Born Again?

We were chosen and predestined to become children of God, we are saints...chosen all according to his purpose and plan?

Yes. Whoever sees and believes.

Your stuck in fatalistic thinking.

set aside doctrine and read the word.

He must forgive our sins first before he makes our spirit Born Again, I’ve never said otherwise...

That is called justification. we are justified BY FAITH

You have us justified before we cry out to Jesus in faith..

You have people Born Again in sin?..

No. You and all fatalists (calvinists) do.. Not me

Afraid not...our sins are forgiven by God when he brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow...then we are Born Again by the power of His Spirit.

Yes. When we become like the tax collector. and when we recieve him and when we hear the word. and believe. Not before.

Once again, you evade my questions and voice yet again your worldly/ flesh opinions.

once again, you bear false witness,

 

[Ritajanice]

[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And?...whose to say you aren’t all in error?..plus you are all freewillers...I am not....that’s why you agree with each other’s doctrine.

So its doctrine?

See how you blame shift there? You say we have not done something, then when we show it. you blame shift..

There is nowhere in scripture that says I am a freewill Born Again....that is all your own understanding of what you believe The scriptures to be saying....

John 3 says it
John 1 says it
John 4 says it
John 5 says it
John 6 says it
Eph 1 and 2 says it

I just take the written word for what it says, and believe it..

What?..none of this is Biblical..I’ve just posted scripture that we are led by the Spirit and the only way that can happen is..we must be Born Again/ Born from above/ Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again of imperishable seed..

And YOUR WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tearing down what?...your words?..of course I will rebuke them..

You can not rebuke truth with lies..

Stop trying to rebuke and start to learn.. Thats why your stuck You think your on a mission.

Explain?

Then please prove my error by using scripture, thank you.

Done done and done

What has this got to do with being Born Of The Spirit?

It has to do with using the written word to test each spirit. If someone comes saying they heard from God. DSOn;t just blidnly follow them. be like the bereans and verify all that person said with scripture.

You can’t be Born Of The Spirit, just by reading the written word in your own human intellect now can you?

Yawn, I never said you could

No searching of scripture is at all necessary..for one to become Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

lol.. No. But it is necessary to weed out false teachers..

That is heart/ spirit revelation...a real Living/ Live spiritual birth...my friend, as I say you need heart revelation.

I had heart revelation. I get it every time I pick up the word of God.,

Just as God says..The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....now what do you think that means?

What it says..

The Spirit testifies with our spirit....is that a dead spirit...or Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit?

If I am dead because of sin, The spirit is not going to testify with me that I am his now is he?

Only he can testify to our spirit that we are Born Of The Spirit my friend.

Alot of people think they are saved, and thing God testifies with them, and they are as lost as satan is.

The written word explains how it all happens my friend, but we need that vital ingredient to witness Gods written word to our heart/ spirit...that person is the Living Holy Spirit...he is the only one who can testify Gods truth to our heart/ spirit...I pray for you to receive that heart revelation..and for the others who agree with your doctrine.

You better pray for yourself.

Because I am not sure who you listen to. But it is purely self focused and not from God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have never said we don’t need to test the spirits.

God gives us discernment to test the spirits..

He said we discern by using the word.

You claim we do not need the word..

I:said no one needs to read a Bible to be Born Of The Spirit.

You have said more than this

Short commentary.

The New Testament also addresses discernment, with the Apostle Paul encouraging believers to develop a discerning spirit. In Philippians 1:9-10 (NIV), Paul prays, "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ." Here, discernment is linked to love, knowledge, and pursuing what is morally excellent.

Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 (NIV), Paul speaks about spiritual discernment, stating, "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments." This passage highlights the role of the Holy Spirit in providing believers with the ability to discern spiritual truths.

yawn.. You don't get it

its ok, Alot of people do not get it..

 

[Ritajanice]

Through his creation (Romans 1) through his people (people witnessing to us, Watching people who are saved walk in the light, and having that lite draw us to them and Christ) Through the body of CHrist. through is written word. and through the Holy Spirit.

We are drawn to Jesus by the power of His Spirit, no one can come to the Son except through the Father.

People cannot draw you to Jesus, all they can do is witness .

I know for me it was my parents and My church. and me praying for weeks on end in fear begging God to save me, Until I went forward and someone sat me down with the word and walked me through scripture and helped bring this mess I had in my head together in a logical way, That I finally in faith fell to my knees and cried out for Jesus..

Thanks for your testimony./ opinion/ belief

I praise God forbringing all the people in my life who helped and his word..

This is fatalisitc calvinistic mumbo jumbo.

Again just your own opinion.

Expose my error please using scripture?

Your right.

And if my sin is not forgiven, I am still dead, because the wage of sin is death, the gift of God is life..

I can;t be made alive while still under the penalty of sin.

Amen.

Your right, I do not know where it came from. But I know when it happened. When I got on my knees and cried out and asked for Gods grace gift of eternal life.

Like mine.you have voiced your opinion/ testimony/ belief...I’ve done the same..nothing can be proven.

You have no idea what it means, so please do not try to correct me when you yourself do not know

I do not know what Born Again means...not to you no.....all I post regarding Born Again is Biblical...

I never said otherwise.. The Holy Spirit drew me, He helped me to understand, and he brought people into my life.

But I had to act on it. or I would still be dead.

Again that is your own personal opinion/ testimony and belief

This is not found in scripture

It says he who is born of the spirit.. It does not say the spirit births our spirit

Spirit gives birth to spirit?....just like a flesh birth...the Spiritual birth is a supernatural/ spiritual/ Living birth, carried out by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit..who is Alive in Spirit and like the wind is everywhere ,plus you can’t see the Spirit, just like you can’t see the wind.

I was made live. ME!! How you continue to fail to grasp this truth boggles my mind

Sorry...our spirit spirit is made Alive..Spirit gives birth to spirit...we communicate with God from our spirit my friend, that’s why we must be Born Of The Spirit.

Yes. Whoever sees and believes.

That is not how God says we are Born Of The Spirit...now after being Born Again, of course you will then see with spiritual eyes and hear with spiritual ears.

Remember we also have a new heart and Spirit within?

Plus we are partakers Of the Divine nature?

Your stuck in fatalistic thinking.

What is fatalistic thinking..never heard of it..is it Biblical?

set aside doctrine and read the word.

That is called justification. we are justified BY FAITH

We are justified when we become Born Again, then we start the sanctification process?

You have us justified before we cry out to Jesus in faith..

I’ve alre posted scripture on this, I will post it again.

No. You and all fatalists (calvinists) do.. Not me

Again an opinion .

Yes. When we become like the tax collector. and when we recieve him and when we hear the word. and believe. Not before.

That is not how we become Born Of The Spirit..Jesus already explained to Nicodemus how we become Born Of The Spirit..for some reason you aren’t understanding that spiritual truth.?

once again, you bear false witness,

Then please expose my bearing false witness?

Instead of constantly voicing your own opinion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are drawn to Jesus by the power of His Spirit, no one can come to the Son except through the Father.

People cannot draw you to Jesus, all they can do is witness .

Further proof you can not read. God uses people to draw us to him

Thanks for your testimony./ opinion/ belief

Again just your own opinion.

Expose my error please using scripture?

Amen.

Like mine.you have voiced your opinion/ testimony/ belief...I’ve done the same..nothing can be proven.

I do not know what Born Again means...not to you no.....all I post regarding Born Again is Biblical...

Again that is your own personal opinion/ testimony and belief

Spirit gives birth to spirit?....just like a flesh birth...the Spiritual birth is a supernatural/ spiritual/ Living birth, carried out by Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit..who is Alive in Spirit and like the wind is everywhere ,plus you can’t see the Spirit, just like you can’t see the wind.

Sorry...our spirit spirit is made Alive..Spirit gives birth to spirit...we communicate with God from our spirit my friend, that’s why we must be Born Of The Spirit.

That is not how God says we are Born Of The Spirit...now after being Born Again, of course you will then see with spiritual eyes and hear with spiritual ears.

Remember we also have a new heart and Spirit within?

Plus we are partakers Of the Divine nature?

What is fatalistic thinking..never heard of it..is it Biblical?

We are justified when we become Born Again, then we start the sanctification process?

I’ve alre posted scripture on this, I will post it again.

Again an opinion .

That is not how we become Born Of The Spirit..Jesus already explained to Nicodemus how we become Born Of The Spirit..for some reason you aren’t understanding that spiritual truth.?

Then please expose my bearing false witness?

Instead of constantly voicing your own opinion.

Here are the fact.

the wage of sin is death

The gift of God is life. through Jesus


This is what is called being born again or a second time

Jesus tells us how to be born again

John 3:
0 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Paul also explains it in prety much the same way

eph 1:
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

1. Our redemption comes through faith. after we hear and believe


eph 2:
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

1. We are made alive By grace
2. this grace is supplied THROUGH FAITH

You wanted scripture. there you have it. These passages (and so much more) refute your fatalistic view..

There is no need to try to go any further. stick to these passages.. I will not go anyplace else.

 

[Ritajanice]

So its doctrine?

See how you blame shift there? You say we have not done something, then when we show it. you blame shift..

No idea what you are trying to say here?

John 3 says it
John 1 says it
John 4 says it
John 5 says it
John 6 says it
Eph 1 and 2 says it

I just take the written word for what it says, and believe it..

You can’t take the written word and believe it, without God’s Spirit witnessing Gods written word to your heart/ spirit...how can you believe in God if you don’t know him in your spirit?

Where you should be Born Again?

And YOUR WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can not rebuke truth with lies..

Stop trying to rebuke and start to learn.. Thats why your stuck You think your on a mission.

Done done and done

Again no scripture to support your opinion/ accusations?

It has to do with using the written word to test each spirit. If someone comes saying they heard from God. DSOn;t just blidnly follow them. be like the bereans and verify all that person said with scripture.

We have discernment from the Living Holy Spirit who resides in our spirit?

Revealing Gods written word and bringing his written word to understanding in our spirit,we are spiritual children..we aren’t worldly children.

Yawn, I never said you could

lol.. No. But it is necessary to weed out false teachers..

I had heart revelation. I get it every time I pick up the word of God.,

Heart revelation does not come from the written word.

It can only come from God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit....when he makes our spirit Born Again.

He brings the written word to our understanding in our spirit as we are taught by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit?

What it says..

If I am dead because of sin, The spirit is not going to testify with me that I am his now is he?


Alot of people think they are saved, and thing God testifies with them, and they are as lost as satan is.

You better pray for yourself.

Because I am not sure who you listen to. But it is purely self focused and not from God

Further proof you can not read. God uses people to draw us to him

People have no power of their own accord.

If a person is used by God to bring them to salvation, then it would be by His Spirit..

Here are the fact.

the wage of sin is death

The gift of God is life. through Jesus

The gift of God is life, by being reunited back to him, when we have been Born Of The Spirit.

There is no life in us without His Living Spirit

This is what is called being born again or a second time

Jesus tells us how to be born again

John 3:
0 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Sorry, that is not how Jesus tells Nicodemus how we are Born Again, he explains it in the very first part of that scripture..which you tend to deny.

Paul also explains it in prety much the same way

eph 1:
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

1. Our redemption comes through faith. after we hear and believe

Our redemption comes through the Spirit and only the Spirit, when we become Born Again..it’s because of the cross that we can be redeemed..

eph 2:
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

1. We are made alive By grace
2. this grace is supplied THROUGH FAITH

We are made Alive in our spirit, that is where we are Born Again.....we are saved by Gods mercy and grace...

Faith is a gift from God...a manifestation of the Spirit.

You wanted scripture. there you have it. These passages (and so much more) refute your fatalistic view..

There is no need to try to go any further. stick to these passages.. I will not go anyplace else.

That scripture does not support being Born Of The Spirit.

That scripture is what “ you” believe that it supports being Born Of The Spirit.

Therefore your opinion of what that scripture is saying.