Waiting on him
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Come on Rita, we have the same husband. I always try to avoid asking a man anything, especially if he’s saying listen to me.
Should women teach the bible?
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What kind of nonsense are you now spouting? The New Birth is absolutely essential and that has been stated a hundred times. And every Christian has been baptized with the Holy Spirit when they received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Do you see how far off the rails you have travelled???
As to spiritual gifts, you would not recognize them since you are so wrapped up in your feministic outlook. BTW denying th authority of Scripture is NOT a spiritual gift.
I would assume that there are woman in here, that The Word Of God flows out of there bellies just as promised. This occurs when one is in The Spirit and it is The Lord that causes this to happen. With me this happens whenever The Lord sees fit to do so. There is nothing I have to do but to be clean(repented up) and willing. The faith to believe He will provide is already there. If there comes a time, and this has happened, that I myself decided to preach to someone and it was not The Lords will for me to do so, then I have no words, it is like they just dissapear. Everything goes blank. I think it would be interesting for a woman of God who truly is born from above, and has truly walked in The Spirit, and preached in The Spirit, to see what happens inside the walls of a church, or in front of a congregation, especially when men are present. Would the words be withheld from her, or would they flow like a river. What would this woman of God hear within herself? Would she hear, "Speak'. or would she hear, "Be silent"?
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Now to the heart of this topic, ”Should women teach the bible”. a teacher is a Pastor. that's a bold statement, well lets back it up with bible. women can teach,as well as they are prophets, who Preach. And God have set/Ordain these works (offices) in his church. Supportive scripture,1Cor 12:28 “And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”
The term “set” here is the Greek word, G5087 τίθημι tithemi (tiy'-thee-miy) v. which can be translated as ordain.
θέω theo (the'-ō) [an alternate in certain tenses]
1. to place.
2. (properly) to lay in a passive or horizontal posture.
{in the widest application, literally and figuratively; differs from G2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while G2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate}
[a prolonged form of a primary theo theh'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses)]
KJV: + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down
The kjv can translate the word as “ordain”, for it is used as that in 1Tim 2:7 “Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity".
So, teachers, according to 1Cor 12:28, are ordained in the church. Just like prophets, and apostles. So why are women not ordained as prophets? … at least, oh well
Now what do a bishop do? Lets see, 1Tim 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach”;
Well, well, well now a teacher can be a Bishop, which means he or she is an overseer. Did one notice that. If you did not see that in 1Cor 12:28 did you see the term “Bishop” there? How about “Pastor?” well both term are there it’s just in the term “Teacher”, prophet, and apostle. how do we know this? the apostle Paul is a teacher and preacher as we see in 1Tim 2:7 above, but did you not know that the apostle Paul was also a BISHOP, General overseer, and prophet. lets see it. 1Cor 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal".
1Cor 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, (BINGO, THER'S THAT PROPHET OFFICE), and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; (STOP, THERE'S THE PASTORAL OFFICE, feed with "knowledge, and understanding, see Jer 3:15) and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing".
BINGO. did you know that an apostle is also a pastor/Bishop/General Overseer? well Paul was, and the Lord Jesus is no respector of person. what he did for Paul, he can and will do for you. also Paul was a prophet, and teacher, BINGO.
But the Pastor/Bishop/Overseer, it is the GIFT of God, his Holy Spirit, hence the ordination. Yes, pastoring is to feed the flock of God with “KNOWLEDGE” and “UNDERSTANDING, supportive scripture, Jer 3:15 “And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding” Ooop's there it is. and this Gift is the very first gift given on the list in 1Cor 12:8-11. also within these scriptures bust the notion that the bishop office, (Work) is all male and married.
So the studying Joel 2:28 & 29 and the chapters of 1Cor 12 & 13one will realize that the Pastoral, and the preaching gift is for all whom the Lord Jesus give the gidt to. For the apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost said concering the Holy Spirit/the Promise, Acts 2:39 “For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call”. the apostle said, "to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" question, is the Lord still calling today? Yes, and is he calling only males? No, he is calling whosoever will hear his voice and come to him. So the gift is for women as well as men.
PICJAG.
Now to the heart of this topic, ”Should women teach the bible”. a teacher is a Pastor. that's a bold statement, well lets back it up with bible. women can teach,as well as they are prophets, who Preach. And God have set/Ordain these works (offices) in his church. Supportive scripture,1Cor 12:28 “And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”
The term “set” here is the Greek word, G5087 τίθημι tithemi (tiy'-thee-miy) v. which can be translated as ordain.
θέω theo (the'-ō) [an alternate in certain tenses]
1. to place.
2. (properly) to lay in a passive or horizontal posture.
{in the widest application, literally and figuratively; differs from G2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while G2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate}
[a prolonged form of a primary theo theh'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses)]
KJV: + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down
The kjv can translate the word as “ordain”, for it is used as that in 1Tim 2:7 “Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity".
So, teachers, according to 1Cor 12:28, are ordained in the church. Just like prophets, and apostles. So why are women not ordained as prophets? … at least, oh well
Now what do a bishop do? Lets see, 1Tim 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach”;
Well, well, well now a teacher can be a Bishop, which means he or she is an overseer. Did one notice that. If you did not see that in 1Cor 12:28 did you see the term “Bishop” there? How about “Pastor?” well both term are there it’s just in the term “Teacher”, prophet, and apostle. how do we know this? the apostle Paul is a teacher and preacher as we see in 1Tim 2:7 above, but did you not know that the apostle Paul was also a BISHOP, General overseer, and prophet. lets see it. 1Cor 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal".
1Cor 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, (BINGO, THER'S THAT PROPHET OFFICE), and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; (STOP, THERE'S THE PASTORAL OFFICE, feed with "knowledge, and understanding, see Jer 3:15) and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing".
BINGO. did you know that an apostle is also a pastor/Bishop/General Overseer? well Paul was, and the Lord Jesus is no respector of person. what he did for Paul, he can and will do for you. also Paul was a prophet, and teacher, BINGO.
But the Pastor/Bishop/Overseer, it is the GIFT of God, his Holy Spirit, hence the ordination. Yes, pastoring is to feed the flock of God with “KNOWLEDGE” and “UNDERSTANDING, supportive scripture, Jer 3:15 “And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding” Ooop's there it is. and this Gift is the very first gift given on the list in 1Cor 12:8-11. also within these scriptures bust the notion that the bishop office, (Work) is all male and married.
So the studying Joel 2:28 & 29 and the chapters of 1Cor 12 & 13one will realize that the Pastoral, and the preaching gift is for all whom the Lord Jesus give the gidt to. For the apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost said concering the Holy Spirit/the Promise, Acts 2:39 “For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call”. the apostle said, "to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" question, is the Lord still calling today? Yes, and is he calling only males? No, he is calling whosoever will hear his voice and come to him. So the gift is for women as well as men.
PICJAG.
CharismaticLady
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The part about the new birth was a responce, not to you in the "cc." You should read some of his rubbish. But I do have to ask. Are you just having faith that you have the new birth and are baptized with the Holy Spirit because you read it in scripture, but have no evidence or gifts?
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I have not read all pages, I should say first off. And the following is just my opinion.
I think the reason why we see to somewhat conflicting views in scripture about women is due to headship. On one hand there is Paul telling us that women should not 'teach' and should be silent, and yet on the other hand there are out and out examples where women do just that with the biblical authors blessings!
I think it all comes down to headship and how God has modelled the Church after marriage, of a sorts; how the Church is Christ's bride, and also there is a 'headship' structure within the Church. Consider: if the husband is to be head of the home, but his wife is Pastor, who weilds spiritual authority over him and all the other men in the Church, then that natural order that God set into place has been thrown asunder.
I don't think the bible is saying that women don't have important things to say or contribute towards the gospel and its work upon the earth. Daily we have proof otherwise. But there was a very good reason God put male headship into place within the family and within the Church. I think it is a wise thing to follow it.
That's sound wisdom. It is the Spirit that draws one to a good teacher who teaches truth. Maybe this is the best answer.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
"The Headship Problem".
the order of the church is fine, it's the person who thinks what the order in the home should be brought into the church. ...... ERROR.
what works in the home is good for the home, but don't try to apply home order to the church, in order. scripture, 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." this is not headship in "Authority" but in "Source". what do we mean? example, the head of the river is a spring in the mountians. other words the "Source" or the start, or the "Head", of the riveris where the river proceed from is a spring. now, knowing that, lets re-examine 1 Corinthians 11:3. if one would notice, all the identifiers are titles. the "head" of EVERY man is Christ. STOP, why not say, "the head of every man is JESUS?" is not Jesus the Christ? if "head" here means Authority, and it's Christ who have control over them well I can take you to a few places where some men ... and women don't even care about Christ. but again, why say Christ, and not the name Jesus? "the head of the woman is the the man". if this is husband and wife, well another man don't have Authority over my wife. see how silly this is getting. "and the head of Christ is God". is not Jesus christ ... God?
let's understand the verse correctly. the Head of every man is Christ. for man is the image of God, meaning Christ is the "source" of that image, the TRUE MAN. Christ is the source of the Old man as well as the NEW MAN. there would be no man if it was not a Christ first, (God in flesh), the image to Come. so Christ is the HEAD, or Source of the NEW MAN, which proceeds from him... the CHRIST. now, "the head of the woman is the man". the woman came out of the man, or proceeded from the man, hence the man is the "source" of the woman, for she was taken out of man. lastely, "the head of Christ is God", notice titles are only used. oh well, scripture, for you to see this plainly. John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." see how the Holy Spirit by his apostle keep on using titles instead of names. for the Lord Jesus the Christ is God in flesh.
so, let the church order go to the home instead of the home order coming into the churchs. because evil, ignorant men will jump up and say, "I'm in charge", just like I'm in charge at home, see the problem. let the Lord Jesus govern through you at church and at your home, (for he is the Governor of the nations), and see his good result instead of you trying to govern his church and your home. here and only here is where church and state is separated.
PICJAG.
"The Headship Problem".
the order of the church is fine, it's the person who thinks what the order in the home should be brought into the church. ...... ERROR.
what works in the home is good for the home, but don't try to apply home order to the church, in order. scripture, 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." this is not headship in "Authority" but in "Source". what do we mean? example, the head of the river is a spring in the mountians. other words the "Source" or the start, or the "Head", of the riveris where the river proceed from is a spring. now, knowing that, lets re-examine 1 Corinthians 11:3. if one would notice, all the identifiers are titles. the "head" of EVERY man is Christ. STOP, why not say, "the head of every man is JESUS?" is not Jesus the Christ? if "head" here means Authority, and it's Christ who have control over them well I can take you to a few places where some men ... and women don't even care about Christ. but again, why say Christ, and not the name Jesus? "the head of the woman is the the man". if this is husband and wife, well another man don't have Authority over my wife. see how silly this is getting. "and the head of Christ is God". is not Jesus christ ... God?
let's understand the verse correctly. the Head of every man is Christ. for man is the image of God, meaning Christ is the "source" of that image, the TRUE MAN. Christ is the source of the Old man as well as the NEW MAN. there would be no man if it was not a Christ first, (God in flesh), the image to Come. so Christ is the HEAD, or Source of the NEW MAN, which proceeds from him... the CHRIST. now, "the head of the woman is the man". the woman came out of the man, or proceeded from the man, hence the man is the "source" of the woman, for she was taken out of man. lastely, "the head of Christ is God", notice titles are only used. oh well, scripture, for you to see this plainly. John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." see how the Holy Spirit by his apostle keep on using titles instead of names. for the Lord Jesus the Christ is God in flesh.
so, let the church order go to the home instead of the home order coming into the churchs. because evil, ignorant men will jump up and say, "I'm in charge", just like I'm in charge at home, see the problem. let the Lord Jesus govern through you at church and at your home, (for he is the Governor of the nations), and see his good result instead of you trying to govern his church and your home. here and only here is where church and state is separated.
PICJAG.
So many forces are pushing women to have careers - I read that's why the birth rate has dropped substantially among whites (this is NOT a racist remark - this is what I read) but the birth rate among blacks and Hispanics has continued. I don't know why it affected whites disproportionately. But I think it's a lot of the reason things are so awry today - no one is home minding the kids. Women are being "pushed" in many subtle ways by society to have a career and if a woman has a family they're made to feel inadequate, as if their "work" is useless.
I tell my husband that all the time:)
JohnPaul
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Because when you’re home collecting welfare and the government gives you more money for the more kids you have, you pop out as many as you can to get more money. People on welfare are never threatened with welfare running out, yet us working people are always being threatened with our social security running out. Something is wrong with this picture.
I haven't read through the entire thread, but I agree that women should be permitted to teach. And I have a question.
Jesus leaned about His own ministry from where? As a toddler who taught Him the ways of God... And from whence did He have such great learning that by the time He was 12, He was teaching the doctors of the law in the temple? Joseph was at work in the carpenters shop... Jesus didn't attend any of the rabbinical schools... So that leaves....
Jesus leaned about His own ministry from where? As a toddler who taught Him the ways of God... And from whence did He have such great learning that by the time He was 12, He was teaching the doctors of the law in the temple? Joseph was at work in the carpenters shop... Jesus didn't attend any of the rabbinical schools... So that leaves....
Waiting on him
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My wife struggles with a sense of inadequacy, the norm today is put the kids in daycare as quickly as we can so mom can get out there and get the fam what they deserve.
CharismaticLady
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When I go to a bridal shower or wedding, I give the book, "His Needs, Her Needs." It is an amazing book that every couple should read, even those just dating. Choose the right mate. And have a looooooooooooooong engagement.
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When my husband and I were both working I went to our government building and it was PACKED with foreign MEN applying for welfare. That was when I saw that we were being used as slave labor to support the world. You hear this Pope telling everyone they must accept migrants - but nobody wants to labor for someone to sit home as you've said. I read yesterday that Minnesota has been taken over in some areas - and they keep raising the taxes to pay for the influx. Our taxes are way too high where we're at. They're going to run people into the ground who work.
So did I. Your wife needs to be supported by a church family that values women who raise a family. The neighborhood where you live may be empty during the day with women working. I told my family that a mother should still get time to herself once or twice a week to pursue her goals. Today you can attend many colleges online - unless it's something like nursing where you need to do lab work and clinicals. But women raising a family need to get out - I don't think any job in the world is as taxing as raising human beings and worrying about everything concerning them.
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