SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

[Dan Clarkston]

to cast him away back to the pit in the Name of Jesus Christ

He's never been to the pit yet.... and nothing in God's Word say to cast him back to the pit.
1 Peter 5:8 and Job 2:2 tells satan is roaming this earth.

Only Jesus can cast satan and his demons in to the pit (hell) which is a future event.

I also believe that we in Christ are still to anoint ourselves, and our door posts with also doing that casting out of our homes.

Yes we are to submit ourselves to Him which includes submitting all assets that we own unto His service to not be used for evil in any way.

It was the writings by those planning the "one world government" (their words, not mine), that helped convince me to get baptized in Christ Jesus. I've always believed in God and His Christ, but was never baptized until I turned 40.

Jesus said we should get baptized after becoming born again believers so that's the proper motivation for getting baptized.

 

[Rightglory]

Like I said, the 'Church Ages' idea is a DOCTRINE OF MEN that began from John Darby's Dispensationalist theories.

It is obvious that there have been different 'administrations' of God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. The KJV translators brought that idea of 'administrations' of the One Gospel of Jesus Christ into English using the word 'dispensation', and men's silly seminary created doctrinal categories sprang off from there. And since men's doctrines doing that was not enough, they then took Lord Jesus' 7 Messages to the 7 Churches in Asia and made 7 separate dispensational Church Ages from that! Nothing but a play on men's silly doctrines they create, leaven fragments is what Lord Jesus called those kind of things in Matthew 16.

Ad hominoms don't really advance any discussion. Expecially when they are false. I'm not a dispensationalist. It might be better if you would check Church History. As far as my understanding of scripture, the Church began at Pentacost and will end with His Second Coming the end of the Age.

When do you think the Church began? When do you think it will end?

 

[WPM]

Ad hominoms don't really advance any discussion. Expecially when they are false. I'm not a dispensationalist. It might be better if you would check Church History. As far as my understanding of scripture, the Church began at Pentacost and will end with His Second Coming the end of the Age.

When do you think the Church began? When do you think it will end?

The Church was in the OT. The assembly or congregation of God's people.

 

[WPM]

Well, that is your opinion thinking the sudden destruction is physical on the Last Day (which I do not deny that there will be).

However, according to my understanding of Scripture, I believe the sudden destruction is the hour of judgment upon unfaithful church where people are saying, "peace and safety" thinking the day of salvation continues in their church, not aware that God is judging her. Elect can "see" her torment, flee, standing afar off, and prophesy judgment on her before the Second Coming.

The Lord judges and I am comfortable with it.

But it does not say that. You have no proved that. That is just a theory.

 

[TribulationSigns]

But it does not say that. You have no proved that. That is just a theory.

I have posted tons of Scripture explaining in this post. Since you weren't able to offer biblical refutation on this so you just said it's a theory?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have presented tons of Scripture on this here and else where. Your denial is between you and God.

Ridiculous. That's what someone says when they think they are God. You are not God, so my argument is with you and your understanding of God's word regarding this issue and not with God. Get over yourself and humble yourself.

2Pe 3:8-13
(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
(10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(11) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
(12) Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
(13) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

First, you misunderstand here. God is not patient with us waiting to see if we can try convert EVERYONE on Earth, but patient waiting for whoever HE HAS ELECTED to come to the point in time where He has ordained they be saved. Selah! We just don't know who are God's predestined to be elect but we are commanded to preach to EVERY creature anyway.

Ah, so you are a Calvinist then? That explains a lot and is the reason you are not seeing the truth of this matter. Why would God's patience be required if He already determined everything? That makes no sense whatsoever. But, it makes perfect sense if man has free will and God patiently gives man the opportunity to choose to submit to Him and repent.

I believe that when Satan is loosed after the sealing (Revelation 7). There is no more sacrifice, meaning the program of salvation is completed.

Nowhere does it teach that! You act as if you've proven tat, but you have not come anywhere near proving that. Salvation will be possible right up until the day Jesus returns and it's foolish to say otherwise. What is the point of even allowing Satan's little season is the time of salvation is already over when it begins? It makes that time period completely pointless and meaningless if no one can be saved during that time.

It is a time of great tribulation greater than has ever been, but there is tribulation before the loosing of Satan.

You need to read Revelation 7 referring only to the Church age, that might be feasible except that the scriptures specifically declare that those sealed were all those of the tribes of Israel, and that they had to be saved prior to the judgment. In other words, the judgment was withheld "until" all the tribes of Israel were saved.

Revelation 7:3

• "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

Which seems to indicate that "all" the servants of God had to be sealed "prior" to this judgment that He sends upon the earth, sea and trees (professed Christians within his congregation) to hurt them. Clearly, the sealing is for their securing "from" this judgment. From the context we can discern that the "purpose" of God's longsuffering or patience is because He doesn't want to bring this judgment until all His servants are saved! Period! Because it would "hurt" them. His servants "had" to be sealed FIRST!

They have to be sealed before Jesus comes and destroys all of His enemies on the earth and not any time before that. I'm not finding your argument here to be convincing at all.

2nd Peter 3:9

• "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

2nd Peter 3:15

• "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;"

The purpose of God's patience in forbidding this hurting the earth, sea and trees, is because He is waiting for all salvation to be accomplished for all His Chosen Elect.

But, you don't understand that once it is determined that all who are to be saved have been saved, that is when it becomes time for Jesus to reutrn and take vengeance on the unsaved (2 Thess 1:7-10). Why delay the punishment of the unsaved once God has determined that no one else can be saved? That makes no sense.

Revelation 7:4

• "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

God says hurt not the earth, sea and trees until all the spiritual tribes of the children of Israel are saved. And He counts the number of them, which number is "again" illustrating that these are the fullness of all Israel. The Israel that is saved is the whole body of believers, it is not those of the external Church age.

Our argument isn't about this, it's about the timing of when the day of salvation is over. Look at my username. You think I don't understand the concept of Spiritual Israel? I don't need you to explain that to me.

An hundred and forty and four thousand clearly illustrates the whole body of believers (See Revelation 21-22). And so I think that the idea that this only refers to salvation in the Church era or age is inconsistent and out of harmony with both the context, and the rest of scripture.

When did I say anything like that? Who are you even talking to here?

Scripture illustrates that not a great multitude will be saved at this time after all Israel is saved (a contradiction), but an apostasy so great that if the days weren't shortened, no flesh would be saved (Matthew 24). Because when all the tribes of Israel are saved, an hundred and forty and four thousand, you cannot have more Israel being saved after this!

When did I say anyone gets saved after that? I cannot believe how people waste so much time making straw man arguments on here. Our argument isn't about that, it's about the timing of when Jesus comes in relation to when all Israel has been saved. You say that a little season occurs after all Israel has been saved first before He comes and I say He comes right after all Israel has been saved. Again, why the delay? There is no point in having any delay for Jesus to return once all Israel has been saved.

When the Church age is over, I believe that salvation will be over.

I agree, but the church age isn't over until Jesus returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well, that is your opinion thinking the sudden destruction is physical on the Last Day (which I do not deny that there will be).

It so clearly is physical destruction as evidenced by what Peter said about the same event in 2 Peter 3:10-13. The heavens, earth and elements will be physically burned up when Jesus returns, resulting in the new (renewed) heavens and new (renewed) earth. You spiritualize things way too much.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Ridiculous. That's what someone says when they think they are God. You are not God, so my argument is with you and your understanding of God's word regarding this issue and not with God. Get over yourself and humble yourself.

LOL. You still have to work this out with God yourself with your denial.

Ah, so you are a Calvinist then? That explains a lot and is the reason you are not seeing the truth of this matter.

LOL. Now it depends on whether the teaching is from Calvinist or Arminian. Pathetic.

Why would God's patience be required if He already determined everything? That makes no sense whatsoever.

To you.

Yes God already determined who are His. Have you ever heard about the sees planted in the Earth? Longsuffering until the preaching of the gospel reached to the last seed (Elect)? Isn't this why we are on great commission to do just that?

But, it makes perfect sense if man has free will and God patiently gives man the opportunity to choose to submit to Him and repent.

Ahh... free will? Humm... No, you've got it backward.

With free will we are doomed. Because with free will, we will never come to God on His terms. Since without Christ in us, the will is in bondage to Satan. And lest you claim we were saved by our own free will, God puts pressure on that idea also.

John 1:13

• "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

The witness of the word intimidating? To those who fight, yes!

Nowhere does it teach that! You act as if you've proven tat, but you have not come anywhere near proving that.

Sounds like you do not understand Revelation 7. Tell us, what is the purpose of sealing?

Rev 7:2-3
(2) And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
(3) Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Eph 4:30
(30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

God told the messengers in the four winds who is responsible for the Great Tribulation, not to start anything until God finishes seal his people through the testimony of Two Witnesses. Selah.

Salvation will be possible right up until the day Jesus returns and it's foolish to say otherwise.

Show me the verses.

What is the point of even allowing Satan's little season is the time of salvation is already over when it begins? It makes that time period completely pointless and meaningless if no one can be saved during that time.

You already forgot? So God will use Satan to bring judgment upon His unfaithful church. Especially after all of his Elect has been sealed and are moved to come out of her to avoid her judgment. Elect will be here and witness this until Second Coming. Selah!

They have to be sealed before Jesus comes and destroys all of His enemies on the earth and not any time before that. I'm not finding your argument here to be convincing at all.

It is not up to me to enlighten you. Only God can, according to His Will.

But, you don't understand that once it is determined that all who are to be saved have been saved, that is when it becomes time for Jesus to reutrn and take vengeance on the unsaved (2 Thess 1:7-10). Why delay the punishment of the unsaved once God has determined that no one else can be saved? That makes no sense.

Read Matthew 25 and find out why the Lord tarried. It is for the punishment of the unsaved OF HIS CONGREGATION first for her unfaithfulness. The punishment of the unsaved world comes afterward! 2nd Thess 1:7-10 refers to the Last Day and His Second Coming to judge the unsaved WORLD. Again you already forgot that the judgment must come upon His House FIRST which is the Church. This must take place before the Second Coming.

Our argument isn't about this, it's about the timing of when the day of salvation is over. Look at my username. You think I don't understand the concept of Spiritual Israel? I don't need you to explain that to me.

Again, its not up to me. It's up to the Lord for you to understand. You just don't believe that the day of salvation can end before the Second Coming. There will be short season after the 1,260 days of testimony of Two Witnesses is finished, which is why the beast comes out of bottomless pit and he abomination of desoaltion be set up, then finally the 1,335 days, this proves there will be time after this. Not to mention that God need to finish sealing ALL of His people (144,000 = all Spiritual Israelities LOL), then the messengers of four winds can start harm people. So yes, there will be time after this with no new Elect being added to kingdom until Christ returns. That is why the population of "alive and remain" Elect left on Earth will decrease fast and if the great tribulation lasts too long, there will be no flesh left to save. Selah!

When did I say anything like that? Who are you even talking to here?

Do you agree that the 144,000 represents all Elect from the Old Testament and the New Testament. Not limited to Church age?

When did I say anyone gets saved after that? I cannot believe how people waste so much time making straw man arguments on here. Our argument isn't about that, it's about the timing of when Jesus comes in relation to when all Israel has been saved. You say that a little season occurs after all Israel has been saved first before He comes and I say He comes right after all Israel has been saved. Again, why the delay? There is no point in having any delay for Jesus to return once all Israel has been saved.

There will be little season after all Elect has been secured. This is WHY the Satan will be loosened AFTER the sealing of the Elect through the testimony of Two Witnesses. Do you understand why Satan had to bind in the first place so that the Elect can be secured? After this Satan will be loosened for a little season. Lord Jesus Christ won't come right away, he comes after Satan's little season. Please explain why you don't agree to me. Tell me when will Satan comes out for a little season, exactly?

I agree, but the church age isn't over until Jesus returns.

Yes and no. You are correct with the Elect is concerned. Elect (ie. Two Witnesses) will be here until Christ returns. But the salvation itself will end for a little season prior that. Remember all Elect had to be sealed first before Satan comes out of bottomless pit. After that, its impossible for people to find salvation because its too late now.

Mat 24:19-22
(19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
(20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
(21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The winter signifies that the summer harvest (salvation has passed. The Sabbath day represents a time when no one can work for the kingdom of God because all the Elect have been secured. Because it will be Satan's little season, also known as the Great Tribulation, the pressure FOR the Elect will be so intense that there will no man be able to buy our merchandise (of salvation) anymore. It is important to note that if the Great Tribulation were to last too long, all the Elect would perish with some die off due to age, war, disease, etc. with no new individuals being added to the Kingdom. However, God has promised to cut it short to ensure that some "alive and remain" Elect remain on Earth to be raptured, fulfilling the prophecy. Selah!

 

[Rightglory]

The Church was in the OT. The assembly or congregation of God's people.

You are correct, however, we are discussing the NT.

 

[Davy]

He's never been to the pit yet.... and nothing in God's Word say to cast him back to the pit.
1 Peter 5:8 and Job 2:2 tells satan is roaming this earth.

You mean you've never read Revelation 9:11, which is about Satan as that "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit"? What about Job 1 & 2 where Satan appears before God's throne and God asks where he has been, and Satan says from going to and fro in the earth, walking up and down in it?

Rev.9:11 is talking directly about Satan, just not using the name Satan, but using other names for him that are even more... descriptive, like that Apollyon in the Greek, which comes from the Greek word for 'perdition', and Abbadon from the Hebrew which means 'destruction', pointing to 'the Destroyer', i.e., Satan.

That "bottomless pit" is simply another name for the abode of hell which is in the heavenly realm. It is also called 'hades'. In Isaiah 42:7 and 1 Peter 3 it is also referred to as a 'prison'. That is Satan's head-office in the heavenly realm.

When Lord Jesus returns in the future, that is when Satan will be locked in his own... pit prison, in chains. He will then become a prisoner in his own prison house, kind of like the warden of a prison being locked up. And the kings of the earth will be locked up in his prison with him at that time also, and they will be visited after many years (the "thousand years" of Rev.20).

Isa 24:21-23
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. You still have to work this out with God yourself with your denial.

LOL. I don't have to work out your wrong interpretations with God.

LOL. Now it depends on whether the teaching is from Calvinist or Arminian. Pathetic.

It's pathetic that you think salvation will be cut off a short time (little season) before Jesus returns when scripture teaches no such thing.

To you.

Yes God already determined who are His. Have you ever heard about the sees planted in the Earth? Longsuffering until the preaching of the gospel reached to the last seed (Elect)? Isn't this why we are on great commission to do just that?

If it's entirely up to God, then why is longsuffering (patience) required? Why is any patience required on God's part if everything is already determined? That makes no sense. Think about it.

Ahh... free will? Humm... No, you've got it backward.

With free will we are doomed. Because with free will, we will never come to God on His terms. Since without Christ in us, the will is in bondage to Satan. And lest you claim we were saved by our own free will, God puts pressure on that idea also.

God commands us to love Him and to love others. How is love possible without free will? Are robots capable of love? Think about it.

John 1:13

• "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

The witness of the word intimidating? To those who fight, yes!

Your arrogance and lack of being teachable prevents you from understanding some parts of His Word. That verse does not mean what you think it means. It does not refute free will at all. What this verse means is that the actual act of being born again is performed only by God, not by man. It is an act whereby the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in someone and starts to teach them the ways of God and give him or her a new perspective on life. That is God's doing. But, that has nothing to do with how a person gets to the point of repenting of their sins and putting their faith in Christ. It happens after a person has done that.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Notice that faith comes first and then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. You have that the other way around. You drew a conclusion from one verse (John 1:13) which contradicts the passage above. You need to look at ALL of scripture to form your doctrine and not just cherry pick certain verse. You need to interpret John 1:13 in such a way that doesn't contradict any other scripture and you're not doing that. But, I am.

Sounds like you do not understand Revelation 7.

Sounds like you don't understand the timing of it, which is what we are disagreeing on here. We're not disagreeing on who the 144,000 represent. The sealing does not occur at the beginning of Satan's little season as you believe. It occurs at the end of it. It has to do with the fact that the wrath of the Lamb will not come down until all who will be saved have been saved and are sealed first. Once that occurs, then Jesus will come and take vengeance on all unbelievers. Your theory that He will wait a little season after everyone has been saved to take vengeance on His enemies is false. What would be the reason for the delay? Are you afraid to address that?

Tell us, what is the purpose of sealing?

Rev 7:2-3
(2) And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
(3) Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Eph 4:30
(30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

God told the messengers in the four winds who is responsible for the Great Tribulation, not to start anything until God finishes seal his people through the testimony of Two Witnesses. Selah.

To ensure that Gods people are not affected by the wrath that will come down upon the entire earth when Jesus returns.

Show me the verses.


You already forgot? So God will use Satan to bring judgment upon His unfaithful church. Especially after all of his Elect has been sealed and are moved to come out of her to avoid her judgment. Elect will be here and witness this until Second Coming. Selah!

No, Jesus Himself will bing judgment on all who are unfaithful when He returns. Scripture teaches that He will take vengeance on and destroy all unbelievers when He returns (2 Thess 1:7-10). Why do you have them being destroyed even before that?

It is not up to me to enlighten you.

That's for sure.

Only God can, according to His Will.

Of course. That's the case for everyone.

Read Matthew 25 and find out why the Lord tarried. It is for the punishment of the unsaved OF HIS CONGREGATION first for her unfaithfulness.

Where are you seeing this in Matthew 25? I see all people being judged at the same time in Matthew 25:31-46 and all unsaved people being punished at the same time and this will occur right after Jesus comes with His angels, not any time before that.

The punishment of the unsaved world comes afterward!

How are you coming to this conclusion? Where does scripture teach this? You're not backing up your claims with scripture. In Matthew 25 it shows all of the unsaved being punished at the same time, so it makes no sense for you to try to use Matthew 25 to back up your claim.

2nd Thess 1:7-10 refers to the Last Day and His Second Coming to judge the unsaved WORLD. Again you already forgot that the judgment must come upon His House FIRST which is the Church. This must take place before the Second Coming.

I haven't forgotten anything. You are misunderstanding what that means. That isn't referring to eternal sentencing. If you read Matthew 25:31-46 you can see that all of the unsaved are judged at the same time. There is no basis whatsoever for thinking some unsaved will be judged and then later the rest of the unsaved will be judge.d Scripture never teaches such a thing. All whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire at the same time. Judgment coming upon His house first has nothing to with the final judgment when all people either inheirt eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world or they are cast "into everlasting fire prepeared for the devil and his angels" which is the lake of fire.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

The context of this passage is not in relation to the timing for eternal judgment in the future, but in relation to the current time. It relates to what Paul wrote about here:

1 Corrinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Judgment beginning at the house of God has to do with looking at those who are in the house of God right now and determining which of them are participating in the kind of sins listed in this passage. If they are doing that and are unrepentant then Paul says "put away from among yourselves that wicked person.". As for those outside the house of God, God Himself will deal with them. That's what judgment beginning at the household of God means. You are taking 1 Peter 4:17 completely out of context.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, its not up to me. It's up to the Lord for you to understand.

Same with you, of course.

You just don't believe that the day of salvation can end before the Second Coming.

Right. And you are not doing anything to convince me otherwise. What you are doing instead is trying to use scriptures to support your view that you are misinterprreting and taking out of context.

There will be short season after the 1,260 days of testimony of Two Witnesses is finished, which is why the beast comes out of bottomless pit and he abomination of desoaltion be set up, then finally the 1,335 days, this proves there will be time after this. Not to mention that God need to finish sealing ALL of His people (144,000 = all Spiritual Israelities LOL), then the messengers of four winds can start harm people. So yes, there will be time after this with no new Elect being added to kingdom until Christ returns.

It does not say that no one can be saved during that time. That is your false assumption based on your misinterpretations of several scripture passages.

That is why the population of "alive and remain" Elect left on Earth will decrease fast and if the great tribulation lasts too long, there will be no flesh left to save. Selah!

Why are you applying a passage that related only to Judea and applying it to the whole earth? Matthew 24:15-21 has to do with what happened in Judea in 70 AD, not to a future event. It is talking about no fles in Judea or Jerusalem being saved. Everyone there would have been killed if not for God intervening. Many were taken captive and sent to other places instead of being killed (Luke 21:20-24).

Do you agree that the 144,000 represents all Elect from the Old Testament and the New Testament. Not limited to Church age?

Yes. In Revelation 7 John sees the 144,000 as being from the tribes of Israel, but then looks and describes them as "a great multitude" from all nations, which shows that the 144,000 number is symbolic and not to be taken literally.

There will be little season after all Elect has been secured.

No, there will not. Once all the elect are secured, then Jesus will return and take vengenace on all of His enemies. Why would there be any delay for Him to come and take His vengeance once all the elect have been saved? You have no answer for that.

This is WHY the Satan will be loosened AFTER the sealing of the Elect through the testimony of Two Witnesses. Do you understand why Satan had to bind in the first place so that the Elect can be secured? After this Satan will be loosened for a little season. Lord Jesus Christ won't come right away, he comes after Satan's little season. Please explain why you don't agree to me. Tell me when will Satan comes out for a little season, exactly?

I have been explaining why I don't agree with you. Are you reading what I'm saying? You need to explain why there would be any delay for Him to come and take vengeance on all His enemies once the elect have all been saved. I see no basis for that. Your understanding of the house of God bing judged first is flawed. You need to understand that ALL unbelievers will be judged at the same time when it comes to eternal sentencing. All living unbeliveers will be killed at the same time by the fire that comes down when Jesus returns (2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12) and then all unbelievers from all time (all whose names are not written in the book of life) will be cast into the lake of fire at the same time.

Yes and no. You are correct with the Elect is concerned. Elect (ie. Two Witnesses) will be here until Christ returns. But the salvation itself will end for a little season prior that.

No, it won't.

Remember all Elect had to be sealed first before Satan comes out of bottomless pit.

That's not true. Scripture does not teach this.

After that, its impossible for people to find salvation because its too late now.

Wrong. It won't be too late until Jesus returns. If you read 2 Peter 3 and understand it properly, you should be able to see that it talks about the Lord being patient and longsuffering with people and will do so up until the day Jesus comes as a thief in the night.

Mat 24:19-22
(19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
(20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
(21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The winter signifies that the summer harvest (salvation has passed. The Sabbath day represents a time when no one can work for the kingdom of God because all the Elect have been secured. Because it will be Satan's little season, also known as the Great Tribulation, the pressure FOR the Elect will be so intense that there will no man be able to buy our merchandise (of salvation) anymore. It is important to note that if the Great Tribulation were to last too long, all the Elect would perish with some die off due to age, war, disease, etc. with no new individuals being added to the Kingdom. However, God has promised to cut it short to ensure that some "alive and remain" Elect remain on Earth to be raptured, fulfilling the prophecy. Selah!

Again, that passage relates to what happened long ago in Judea. Why did you not quote verses 15-18 as well which shows the context of that passage is related only to Judea and not the whole world? You are mistaken and need to ask God for wisdom about this (James 1:5-7).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You mean you've never read Revelation 9:11, which is about Satan as that "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit"? What about Job 1 & 2 where Satan appears before God's throne and God asks where he has been, and Satan says from going to and fro in the earth, walking up and down in it?

Rev.9:11 is talking directly about Satan, just not using the name Satan, but using other names for him that are even more... descriptive, like that Apollyon in the Greek, which comes from the Greek word for 'perdition', and Abbadon from the Hebrew which means 'destruction', pointing to 'the Destroyer', i.e., Satan.

How can you correctly recognize that Revelation 9:11 is referring to Satan and not see that it talks about the bottomless pit being opened at that time? That means it's talking about the time when Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit. So, Revelation 9:1-11 is parallel to Revelation 20:7-8 because both refer to the time when Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit.

You interpret passages like John 5:28-29 and Revelation 9:1-11 the same way Amills do, but you still insist on clinging to Premill for some reason.

 

[Davy]

Ad hominoms don't really advance any discussion. Expecially when they are false. I'm not a dispensationalist.

Sure you are, because you brought up that topic of "Church Age", and you even capitalized it in your post! (your post no.5 I believe it was.)

It might be better if you would check Church History. As far as my understanding of scripture, the Church began at Pentacost and will end with His Second Coming the end of the Age.

When do you think the Church began? When do you think it will end?

So you're one of those who likes to debate when The Gospel first began? Try Abraham, per what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 4 and Galatians 3.

Would that make Abraham a member of Christ's Church, because The Gospel was preached to Abraham first, and Abraham believed, and his Faith was counted as righteousness.

 

[Davidpt]

LOL. I don't have to work out your wrong interpretations with God.


It's pathetic that you think salvation will be cut off a short time (little season) before Jesus returns when scripture teaches no such thing.


If it's entirely up to God, then why is longsuffering (patience) required? Why is any patience required on God's part if everything is already determined? That makes no sense. Think about it.


God commands us to love Him and to love others. How is love possible without free will? Are robots capable of love? Think about it.


Your arrogance and lack of being teachable prevents you from understanding some parts of His Word. That verse does not mean what you think it means. It does not refute free will at all. What this verse means is that the actual act of being born again is performed only by God, not by man. It is an act whereby the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in someone and starts to teach them the ways of God and give him or her a new perspective on life. That is God's doing. But, that has nothing to do with how a person gets to the point of repenting of their sins and putting their faith in Christ. It happens after a person has done that.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Notice that faith comes first and then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. You have that the other way around. You drew a conclusion from one verse (John 1:13) which contradicts the passage above. You need to look at ALL of scripture to form your doctrine and not just cherry pick certain verse. You need to interpret John 1:13 in such a way that doesn't contradict any other scripture and you're not doing that. But, I am.


Sounds like you don't understand the timing of it, which is what we are disagreeing on here. We're not disagreeing on who the 144,000 represent. The sealing does not occur at the beginning of Satan's little season as you believe. It occurs at the end of it. It has to do with the fact that the wrath of the Lamb will not come down until all who will be saved have been saved and are sealed first. Once that occurs, then Jesus will come and take vengeance on all unbelievers. Your theory that He will wait a little season after everyone has been saved to take vengeance on His enemies is false. What would be the reason for the delay? Are you afraid to address that?


To ensure that Gods people are not affected by the wrath that will come down upon the entire earth when Jesus returns.


No, Jesus Himself will bing judgment on all who are unfaithful when He returns. Scripture teaches that He will take vengeance on and destroy all unbelievers when He returns (2 Thess 1:7-10). Why do you have them being destroyed even before that?


That's for sure.


Of course. That's the case for everyone.


Where are you seeing this in Matthew 25? I see all people being judged at the same time in Matthew 25:31-46 and all unsaved people being punished at the same time and this will occur right after Jesus comes with His angels, not any time before that.


How are you coming to this conclusion? Where does scripture teach this? You're not backing up your claims with scripture. In Matthew 25 it shows all of the unsaved being punished at the same time, so it makes no sense for you to try to use Matthew 25 to back up your claim.


I haven't forgotten anything. You are misunderstanding what that means. That isn't referring to eternal sentencing. If you read Matthew 25:31-46 you can see that all of the unsaved are judged at the same time. There is no basis whatsoever for thinking some unsaved will be judged and then later the rest of the unsaved will be judge.d Scripture never teaches such a thing. All whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire at the same time. Judgment coming upon His house first has nothing to with the final judgment when all people either inheirt eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world or they are cast "into everlasting fire prepeared for the devil and his angels" which is the lake of fire.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

The context of this passage is not in relation to the timing for eternal judgment in the future, but in relation to the current time. It relates to what Paul wrote about here:

1 Corrinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Judgment beginning at the house of God has to do with looking at those who are in the house of God right now and determining which of them are participating in the kind of sins listed in this passage. If they are doing that and are unrepentant then Paul says "put away from among yourselves that wicked person.". As for those outside the house of God, God Himself will deal with them. That's what judgment beginning at the household of God means. You are taking 1 Peter 4:17 completely out of context.

What you two are arguing about is further proof that the thousand years and satan's little season couldn't possibly mean before the 2nd coming. Because if it is, there goes connecting the first resurrection with salvation out the window. Every single saved person, thus those that have part in the first resurrection, they live and reign with Christ a thousand years. Have some lost their mind and forgot that fact?

As if someone can then be saved during satan's little season then have part in the first resurrection and live and reign with Christ a thousand years. As if that is logical, that after the thousand years expire, that if someone is saved during satan's little season, they too have part in the first resurrection, they too live and reign with Christ a thousand years.

It's a no brainer then. If the thousand years and satan's little season happen before the 2nd coming, this would obviously mean no one can be saved during satan's little season, the fact it would be impossible to have part in the first resurrection at this point. One can't divorce the first resurrection from living and reigning with Christ a thousand years. You can't have one without the other. No way can anyone reign with Christ a thousand years after the the thousand years expire, lol. That's just common sense that even a 5th grader should be able to comprehend.

But look what doctrinal bias does to some intelligent people. It makes them appear to be less intelligent than they actually are, since no intelligent person capable of reasoning things coherently could actually believe the first resurrection can be applied to anyone during satan's little season. IOW, it undeniably contradicts that everyone that has part in the first resurrection, they live and reign with Christ a thousand years. And unless one has part in the first resurrection, how can they possibly be meaning any of the following----1 Thessalonians 4:13-17?

In the event satan's little season does happen before the 2nd coming, in that case you are not the one winning the argument here, only in your mind if you think so, the one winning the argument here would be @TribulationSigns, certainly not you. But you are too prideful to ever admit that. Actually, you are probably one of the most prideful persons I have ever encountered. In your mind, you can't be wrong about anything. It's always the other person that is wrong. And you're just too prideful to admit, that in some cases the other person is correct, not you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. I don't have to work out your wrong interpretations with God.

It is God's interpretation with Scripture I quoted that you are in denial. Work this out with God, especially when you have not quoted a single verse in your false accusation.

It's pathetic that you think salvation will be cut off a short time (little season) before Jesus returns when scripture teaches no such thing.

Show me the Scripture that says otherwise. I am waiting.

If it's entirely up to God, then why is longsuffering (patience) required? Why is any patience required on God's part if everything is already determined? That makes no sense. Think about it.

Humm.. seems you don't understand why.

God commands us to love Him and to love others. How is love possible without free will? Are robots capable of love? Think about it.

You love because of His spirit in you. Your new nature. Robots? LOL.

Your arrogance and lack of being teachable prevents you from understanding some parts of His Word.

Very unlikely!

That verse does not mean what you think it means.

Oh yeah?

It does not refute free will at all.

Says who? You or God?

What this verse means is that the actual act of being born again is performed only by God, not by man. It is an act whereby the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in someone and starts to teach them the ways of God and give him or her a new perspective on life. That is God's doing. But, that has nothing to do with how a person gets to the point of repenting of their sins and putting their faith in Christ. It happens after a person has done that.

For in truth, Predestination is the testimony of the Holy Father. Because not only did God predestinate us, but it was predetermined that we "would be" conformed to the likeness of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:29-30

• "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
• Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

So then, it was God (not you or me) who unambiguously stated that we Christians were not only predestinated "to be conformed" to the likeness of Christ, but also that it was done for His own purposes, and according to His own will, and not our free will. It doesn't get much plainer or more transparent than that.

I am only interested in what God has divinely inspired written--which is the doctrines of His sovereign grace, as opposed to man's corruption, plagiarism and renaming it.

Ephesians 1:5-6

• "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
• To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved."

According to the good pleasure of his will, not our free will. Selah.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Notice that faith comes first and then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. You have that the other way around. You drew a conclusion from one verse (John 1:13) which contradicts the passage above. You need to look at ALL of scripture to form your doctrine and not just cherry pick certain verse. You need to interpret John 1:13 in such a way that doesn't contradict any other scripture and you're not doing that. But, I am.

Yes, but that's like saying "After I was redeemed of God, I was sealed by the spirit." Even though to be redeemed of God means you've already been sealed by the Spirit. But we're speaking from a human perspective. i.e., "after I heard this preacher, I was saved," or "after I read the scriptures I believed." Not knowing that you read the scriptures specifically because you had the faith of Christ to believe, or that the reason you went to hear the preacher was specifically because God moved you in faith of Christ to go hear the scriptures preached. In other words, by the time you realize you need God, God has already been working within you unto belief. Like the episode of King Abimelech taking Sarah and thinking he was righteous because he didn't touch her (Genesis 20:2-6), but God reveals to us His divine undergirding of the king's actions that the King had no idea of. Namely, that it was God working in Him so that he didn't touch her, not his own righteousness. Same principle here, but different venue. When we believe (have saving faith) we are already sealed of God, He having chosen us unto this in election from the foundations of the world. Yes, we believe and we were sealed (secured), but God is the author of both. Regeneration (born of the Spirit) is one thing, knowledgeable conversion is another.

Faith, belief, regeneration, justification, redemption, sealing, washing, restoration, etc., they are all results or effects of the same action of God's Grace through His Spirit. So it's like saying "after I received the Spirit, I was saved," when in actuality "when I received the Spirit, that is when I was saved." Likewise, "when you believed, you were secured by the Holy Spirit." It's not really a positional declaration, but the language of our recognizing our belief/faith that God has given us, and then consequently knowing we are secure in Christ. Indeed, we should all know inherently that if we have the Holy Spirit unto salvation within us, we are already secure or sealed. Because we can never lose saving faith or salvation in Christ. Since God is the author and finisher of our faith, and promises that if He begun it, He will see it through to the end. In other words, once you have saving faith, you are already secured or sealed of the Spirit.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Where are you seeing this in Matthew 25? I see all people being judged at the same time in Matthew 25:31-46 and all unsaved people being punished at the same time and this will occur right after Jesus comes with His angels, not any time before that.
How are you coming to this conclusion? Where does scripture teach this? You're not backing up your claims with scripture. In Matthew 25 it shows all of the unsaved being punished at the same time, so it makes no sense for you to try to use Matthew 25 to back up your claim.

You overlooked the key verses:

Mat 25:6-10
(6) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
(7) Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
(8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
(9) But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
(10) And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Verse 6 is not talking bout the Second Coming. It just said that bridegroom is coming that BOTH the Elect and professed Christians believe he is. He tarried. So during that time, the professed Christians seek the holy spirit (in order to be saved) b ut the Elect could not have enough because day of salvation is ended. So the Elect prophesy against the professed Christians to go to those who sell and buy for themselves. This is referring to the buy and sell of Revelation 13 where they deal with the false prophets. So during that time, Christ actually come. Therefore, there is a time between verse 6 and 10 which is short season where the professed Christians (foolish virgins) are being judged to believe a lie. Selah!

I haven't forgotten anything. You are misunderstanding what that means.

Yeah right.

You are taking 1 Peter 4:17 completely out of context.

Not likely. You do not understand the purpose and nature of God's judgment of His unfaithful house. Exactly what will He do to those people?

2Th 2:8-12
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This is a period where people of the unfaithful congregation will believe a lie coming out of the mouth of false prophets and christs when their wicked spirit is revealed "TO" the Elect. Unregenerated congregation people will go to and fro within their churches, seeking salvation but no longer find it for the Lord has removed it as a judgment. THis is confirmed in Revelation 9:

Rev 9:4-6
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
(5) And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
(6) And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

In those days is the little season where no man can find salvation. Why, God has finished sealed all of his Elect first, and the testimony of Two WItnesses is finished. And when Satan comes out of bottomless pit. This is how the wicked be revealed at an appointed time. All of this is because of God's judgment upon His unfaithful congregation - those who have not yet sealed by God. Selah!

So much for completely out of context on the judgment of God's house first before Second Coming, eh?

 

[Rightglory]

Sure you are, because you brought up that topic of "Church Age", and you even capitalized it in your post! (your post no.5 I believe it was.)




So you're one of those who likes to debate when The Gospel first began? Try Abraham, per what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 4 and Galatians 3.

Would that make Abraham a member of Christ's Church, because The Gospel was preached to Abraham first, and Abraham believed, and his Faith was counted as righteousness.

Historically, scripture shows that the Church began on Pentecost when the Holy Spirit lighted upon the disciples. Act 2. Started with 3000 and added thereto. It was the beginning of the preaching of the Gospel to the world. Christ is the foundation and Head of that Church which was built upon by the disciples and all Christians hence forth. It is this Church which will endure to the end, and Satan cannot prevail against it. This is how it has been recognized throughout Church history.

 

[Davidpt]

This is a period where people of the unfaithful congregation will believe a lie coming out of the mouth of false prophets and christs when their wicked spirit is revealed "TO" the Elect. Unregenerated congregation people will go to and fro within their churches, seeking salvation but no longer find it for the Lord has removed it as a judgment. THis is confirmed in Revelation 9:

I can see connecting that with 2Th 2:8-12. To connect that with Rev 9:4-6 though, is nonsensical, IMO. The text says this torment is for 5 months. 5 months isn't forever. What then does it mean when these 5 months expire? You need to deal with that fact as well.

Amils never seem to want to deal with what it means after something has expired. IOW, does it still mean the same thing when it expires that Amils insist it is meaning while it is still in progress?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Same with you, of course.

He already did, thank you.

Right. And you are not doing anything to convince me otherwise. What you are doing instead is trying to use scriptures to support your view that you are misinterprreting and taking out of context.

Unlikely. I am saying that you have not been enlightened to understand this yet. So its up to the Spirit of God to convince you. I already testified with tons of Scripture and you are still in denial and make false accusation that it is just my misinterpretation and taking out of context. In other words, you refused to receive the Word of God I testified.

It does not say that no one can be saved during that time. That is your false assumption based on your misinterpretations of several scripture passages.

Really? Let's start over. In Revelation 20 and Matthew 12, why did Christ bind Satan in the first place? To bring salvation to His people out among the nations through the testimony of Two Witnesses, right? What happened and WHY Satan comes out of bottomless pit afterward? You think salvation still going on? Show me the Scripture then!

Why are you applying a passage that related only to Judea and applying it to the whole earth? Matthew 24:15-21 has to do with what happened in Judea in 70 AD, not to a future event. It is talking about no fles in Judea or Jerusalem being saved. Everyone there would have been killed if not for God intervening. Many were taken captive and sent to other places instead of being killed (Luke 21:20-24).

I think you have spent too much time dealing with the preterists

No, Matthew 24 is not prophecy about Jews and physical land of Judea here. God speaks of Judea, Jerusalem, and the Holy Place as METAPHORS for the New Testament congregation - the camp of the Saints! A metaphor does not mean the thing it is likened unto is spiritual. A metaphor is using one word denoting a kind of place or thing, in place of another place of thing, for the purpose of suggesting a likeness between them!
The likeness in this case being that the New Testament congregation is as a Holy City Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22), as a Holy Nation (1st Peter 2:9), as the Holy Place (2nd Thessalonians 2:4). The New Testament local congregation is the only Holy Place (after the cross) that could have abomination stand in it that believers could flee from. It's just a rational clear thinking through the inerrant text, in context!

We don't have to be in Jerusalem literally or geographically to flee, we have to be in the representation of Jerusalem in the New Testament era to flee. We flee from a holy place that is not secure and is abominable "spiritually," to a place where we are secure and where righteousness dwells. That can only be the Mountains of Zion. We flee to where we can be God's people, and not yoked unequally as we would be in that former holy place that had become abominable. In symbolic terms, we flee to the mountains of God.

Yes. In Revelation 7 John sees the 144,000 as being from the tribes of Israel, but then looks and describes them as "a great multitude" from all nations, which shows that the 144,000 number is symbolic and not to be taken literally.

Like I did not know this? I taught this as well.

No, there will not. Once all the elect are secured, then Jesus will return and take vengenace on all of His enemies.

Scripture please.

Why would there be any delay for Him to come and take His vengeance once all the elect have been saved? You have no answer for that.

I did.. With Scriptures. You refuse to receive it. So there.

I have been explaining why I don't agree with you. Are you reading what I'm saying?

Without Scripture, I am not impressed.

You need to explain why there would be any delay for Him to come and take vengeance on all His enemies once the elect have all been saved.

I did. Many times.

I see no basis for that.

In other words, not enlightened.

Your understanding of the house of God bing judged first is flawed.

The Lord judges and I am comfortable with it.

You need to understand that ALL unbelievers will be judged at the same time when it comes to eternal sentencing. All living unbeliveers will be killed at the same time by the fire that comes down when Jesus returns (2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12) and then all unbelievers from all time (all whose names are not written in the book of life) will be cast into the lake of fire at the same time.

Let's see, are you suggesting that 1 Peter 4:17, God's judgment in his house first must mean the people within the house being killed? Or is it God's judgment that they will believe a lie so that they cannot find salvation until the last Day to stand for judgment along with all other unbelievers.

Which one?

No, it won't.

Yep!

That's not true. Scripture does not teach this.

LOL. The testimony of Two witnesses ended before Satan comes out of bottomless pit, agreed? What testimony was it for?

Wrong. It won't be too late until Jesus returns. If you read 2 Peter 3 and understand it properly, you should be able to see that it talks about the Lord being patient and longsuffering with people and will do so up until the day Jesus comes as a thief in the night.

Jesus said you are incorrect:

Mat 24:17-22
(17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
(18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
(19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
(20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
(21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

What housetop the Lord talked about here? What thing out of his house? What field did the Lord talk about here that they should not come back to take his clothes. What clothes it this? Do you know?

And why the child cannot suck in those day? Suck what?

Why do we need to pray that our flight would not be during the winder or sabbath because it would be too late? What winter and sabbath the Lord were referring to?

And once winter and sabbath comes, it is the time of great tribulation. Do you agree with this or not?
Awaits to hear from you. I bet that you may be thinking about the first century like the Preterists. :-)

Again, that passage relates to what happened long ago in Judea.

False.

Why did you not quote verses 15-18 as well which shows the context of that passage is related only to Judea and not the whole world? You are mistaken and need to ask God for wisdom about this (James 1:5-7).

Read the part I explain what Judea signifies of in the New Testament. It is you who need to ask God for wisdom. Selah! We all do.