SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

[TribulationSigns]

Excellent explanation.

Thank you. To the glory of God

 

[Davy]

He is bound in my life!

Per what Lord Jesus said in Luke 10:18-20 to His disciples, of course we in Christ have been given power over Satan and all the enemy.

That still does not... mean what Apostle Peter said was false, and still in effect today for those who fall away, or that don't believe on Jesus Christ...

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

So why would you DENY what Apostle Peter said above for this present world time, showing Satan is NOT YET BOUND? And do remember, the Biblical idea of Satan being 'bound' means he is not able to DECEIVE anyone, but is locked in his pit prison. So the little lies men's doctrines try to make up in DENIAL of the Revelation 20:1-3 Scripture of Satan being 'bound' AT Christ's 2nd coming, is all for nought.

 

[Davy]

Rev 20 is a summation of current Church Age. Christ did not come 2000 years or more after the Church was established. It was established with the Apostles. Christ first words of His ministry was, Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand. What Kingdom? His Church.

No... Rev.20 is NOT a summation of the current Church Age.

There is NO SUCH THING written in God's Word as 'Church Ages', for that is a doctrine of men's false Dispensationalist theories.

Revelation 20 is still yet to occur, and won't until the 'day' that Lord Jesus Christ returns at His 2nd coming.

 

[marks]

You are contradicting what Jesus Himself taught.

IF you think Jesus and Peter contradict each other, you are flatly wrong.

Make all the convoluted arguments you like, I'm just going to quote the Scriptures and believe what they say. I think that is at the core of all our disagreements. You have long and convoluted arguments, and I quote Bible verses.

Much love!

 

[Davidpt]

How does the following help Amil?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


I'm not arguing against there being a connection with 1 Peter 5:8 with that of James 4:7. What I'm arguing against is, if Amils are correct that satan is already bound, why would anyone need to resist someone that is bound? Where is the logic in that? What then does it mean when he is no longer bound, thus loosed? How then do these same Amils apply James 4:7? After all, aren't they arguing that James 4:7 is not even possible unless satan is bound first? How can satan still be bound when he is loosed, lol? Assuming he is presently bound.

 

[Davy]

How does the following help Amil?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


I'm not arguing against there being a connection with 1 Peter 5:8 with that of James 4:7. What I'm arguing against is, if Amils are correct that satan is already bound, why would anyone need to resist someone that is bound? Where is the logic in that? What then does it mean when he is no longer bound, thus loosed? How then do these same Amils apply James 4:7? After all, aren't they arguing that James 4:7 is not even possible unless satan is bound first? How can satan still be bound when he is loosed, lol? Assuming he is presently bound.

Peter was very clear that Satan is NOT bound yet. And the James 4:7 Scripture does not apply to non-believers, of which there are many still in this present world without Christ, and thus without the power to resist the devil that Jesus gives His.

Amill theory, as I have shown, is a one-world New World Order support beam. The early believers just did not live to our times today with Satan's "one world government" being formed in prep for his coming to our world over his coming beast kingdom of Rev.13:1.

 

[TribulationSigns]

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

I'm not arguing against there being a connection with 1 Peter 5:8 with that of James 4:7. What I'm arguing against is, if Amils are correct that satan is already bound, why would anyone need to resist someone that is bound? Where is the logic in that? What then does it mean when he is no longer bound, thus loosed? How then do these same Amils apply James 4:7? After all, aren't they arguing that James 4:7 is not even possible unless satan is bound first? How can satan still be bound when he is loosed, lol? Assuming he is presently bound.

Davy:

Peter was very clear that Satan is NOT bound yet. And the James 4:7 Scripture does not apply to non-believers, of which there are many still in this present world without Christ, and thus without the power to resist the devil that Jesus gives His.

I believe you and @Davy misunderstand something here.

How many different ways do you want us to answer it? How the spirit Satan can be bound and in a pit (Revelation 20), and yet still go about as a roaring lion in the world is a matter of "for whom he was bound," and to what degree. I use "the analogy" of a lion that is bound or chained to a stake in an open field. A blind person who walks through that field and strays into the area limited by the chain, is going to be devoured by the lion. Because the lion is free to roam to the length of the chain throughout the circumference of the area in all directions. By the same token, those who can see are going to avoid walking through the circumference or circle where the chained lion can devour them. That's the analogy of Satan being bound with a chain that Revelation chapter 20 puts forth. You need to understand that God has given "the elect" power that Satan cannot harm them. He is "bound" from doing so, while he is still free to devour the spiritually blind. For example, the closer we walk with God, the farther away from the devil's sphere we will be. The more we submit ourselves to God, the father away the devil will be. For God is the one who has restrained Satan from us. And no, it is NOT a literal/physical chain or abyss, it is spiritual restraint. By the grace of His cross, we are secure (sealed) that he cannot harm us. Indeed, he flees from us because the children of God have power over serpents by the grace of God. Selah!

James 4:6-8

• "But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
• Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
• Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded."

Satan flees from the elect because the elect are sealed "that" the spirit Satan has no more power to bind them. His power is ITSELF "bound" as if he were chained up and cast into an abyss of nothingness for their sakes. It's all about Satan's binding "for the elect," of the world, and not for the world. Big difference!

John 17:9

• "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."

Christ came to save "HIS PEOPLE," not (Matthew 1:21) "all" people. That's the point Premillennialists (and Postmillennialists) are missing in thinking Christ will come to evangelize or Christianize the whole world. On the contrary, Christ Christianizes "HIS PEOPLE" from out of the world, and from every nation in the world. Thus Satan was bound from devouring the elect of the world, and yet free to devour the wicked and unfaithful of the world. Get it?! Indeed, the very point your theology misses is that Satan "was bound for the sake of the elect." Unfortunately, Premillennialists usually have the idea that he was (or will be) bound for the sake of the whole world so that there will be world peace, blah, blah, blah. Which is NOT the case.

Let me ask you, "what do you think makes the Gospel 'good news' if not the announcement of the defeat and binding of Satan that the salvation of God's people might be accomplished (Matthew 12:29)? How then are the elect set at liberty from bondage if Satan has not yet been defeated and bound? How then could his house be spoiled?

Hebrews 2:14-15

• "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
• And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

By His death He bound Satan in the bottomless pit, and set us at liberty (John 8:35-36; Matthew 12:29) from his spiritual prison. For example, He led captivity captive, that He could give gifts to men, by His death and resurrection. These scriptures finally have to sink in and have some actual meaning, else they are "just words."

Psalms 68:18-20

• "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
• Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.
• He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death."

Salvation has come only because Christ led captivity captive! Satan, who held us in bound in his spiritual prison house (Luke 13:16), has by Christ been bound and placed into his own prison house (bottomless pit) that we might be set at liberty. If Satan has not been defeated or bound, then there is no Peace, no salvation with God as yet!! But God's word tells us that Christians are at Peace with God RIGHT NOW through the work of Christ, thus necessarily Satan has been defeated and made powerless against them. God gave His people the power of the kingdom, that whatever they shall bind on earth, shall have already been bound in heaven, and whatever they shall loose on earth, shall have already been loosed in heaven. The evil spirits are made subject to the saints "because" Satan has been bound. And the reason is so that Christ could build his church.

Luke 10:19-20

• "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
• Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven."

When Christ gave the Apostles power to pick up serpents in Mark chapter 16, He gave them the power over Satan, whom He had bound from harming them. One should always remember that Satan's binding is not to Christianize the whole world, but that the elect could go forth as vessels unto God's word of evangelizing the elect of the world.

Selah!

 

[Davy]

I believe you and @Davy misunderstand something here.

How many different ways do you want us to answer it? How the spirit Satan can be bound and in a pit (Revelation 20), and yet still go about as a roaring lion in the world is a matter of "for whom he was bound," and to what degree.

That theory does not work. Why?

Because of the Revelation 20:1-3 Scripture, which DEFINES just what the idea of Satan being 'bound' actually means...

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

According your theory, Satan can STILL deceive the nations while being 'bound' in the pit.

Have you even MISSED the Revelation 9:11 Scripture that reveals Satan as that "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit", which he is over? Apparently you have, because Satan must be put in CHAINS like the Rev.20:1-3 Scripture reveals in order for him to be Biblically 'bound'. Plus, Satan as "king" over the bottomless pit means that is his heavenly office space where he comes and goes from.

God at present even allows Satan to deduct that space of hell on his taxes (just joking).

Not only that, but the Rev.11:7 verse reveals Satan as the "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" that will kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end of this world, within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing. (Jesus returns on the 7th Trumpet of that Chapter.)

And further, Satan is that "beast" that "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" to be the 7th beast king for the 'end' of this present world, for the coming "great tribulation"! How is it you cannot... understand that cannot mean Satan is already 'bound' today, nor for those coming end time events for this present world prior to Christ's return?

As of right now, like Peter said, Satan is free to roam like lion, seeking who he may devour. That automatically means Satan is NOT in those chains yet being 'bound'. And when he is bound in chains, like Rev.20 says, he won't be able to deceive at that point either, regardless of his being in his pit prison at that future time.

 

[Davidpt]

By His death He bound Satan in the bottomless pit, and set us at liberty (John 8:35-36; Matthew 12:29) from his spiritual prison. For example, He led captivity captive, that He could give gifts to men, by His death and resurrection. These scriptures finally have to sink in and have some actual meaning, else they are "just words."

Most Amils, if not all Amils, are notorious for ignoring the following, though.

till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season(Revelation 20:3)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison(Revelation 20:7)

Everything you mentioned above plus other things you mentioned in this post, what does all of that mean when he is loosed, thus no longer bound? You need to also reasonably explain how all of these things equally apply in the same manner when he is no longer bound. Amils act as if satan is bound, all the way up until he is cast into the LOF. No he isn't, though. It doesn't matter which view is correct, be it Premil or Amil, satan is not bound until he is destroyed., period. He is loosed for a little season first. And speaking of that, what do Amils now do with the strongman passages they apply to satan's thousand year binding?

Assuming it's even applicable to begin with, though I doubt it is, but assuming it is, how can Amils, with a straight face, apply that to when he is loosed, not even bound anymore, the fact they are already wrongly applying it to his thousand year binding? IMO, but maybe I just look at things wrong, yet it seems more logical to apply the strongman passages to a satan that is loosed not bound. Because, if he is already bound, it is an over kill to bind him even further, thus makes zero sense. Amils apply a lot of things in a backwards manner. Instead of applying the strongman passages to a satan that is not bound, they apply it to a satan that is already bound. Thus no logic in that.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That still does not... mean what Apostle Peter said was false, and still in effect today for those who fall away, or that don't believe on Jesus Christ...

The smart ones accept the warning the Lord provided to us thru the Apostle Peter... so they are on the ready, and are not ignorant of satan's devices

So why would you DENY what Apostle Peter said above for this present world time, showing Satan is NOT YET BOUND?

Ya gotta pay attention man... I'm not the one in this thread falsely claiming that satan has already been bound.

Now, I can bind him in my personal life, but that doesn't mean the devil will never ever come back around and attempt to devour me at some point in the future.... as I stated earlier, the smart ones are on the look out for satan's attacks in their personal lives and stand ready to take God's Word and slap the devil down.... just like Jesus did when 'ol slewfoot tried to attack Him.

The early believers just did not live to our times today with Satan's "one world government" being formed in prep for his coming to our world over his coming beast kingdom of Rev.13:1.

Yep, they didn't really see what was coming... and for then during their time it was irrelevant since they are not living in the times we are where this one world gubment is being planned and is much closer to being implemented that it was during there time here on Club Earth.

 

[Davy]

The smart ones accept the warning the Lord provided to us thru the Apostle Peter... so they are on the ready, and are not ignorant of satan's devices

I prefer the adverb 'wise'.

Ya gotta pay attention man... I'm not the one in this thread falsely claiming that satan has already been bound.

OK, got it. And I agree, per God's Word, Satan is not bound yet today.

Now, I can bind him in my personal life, but that doesn't mean the devil will never ever come back around and attempt to devour me at some point in the future.... as I stated earlier, the smart ones are on the look out for satan's attacks in their personal lives and stand ready to take God's Word and slap the devil down.... just like Jesus did when 'ol slewfoot tried to attack Him.

Yes, and I tell other brethren how... to slap him down; to cast him away back to the pit in the Name of Jesus Christ. I also believe that we in Christ are still to anoint ourselves, and our door posts with also doing that casting out of our homes.

Yep, they didn't really see what was coming... and for then during their time it was irrelevant since they are not living in the times we are where this one world gubment is being planned and is much closer to being implemented that it was during there time here on Club Earth.

It was the writings by those planning the "one world government" (their words, not mine), that helped convince me to get baptized in Christ Jesus. I've always believed in God and His Christ, but was never baptized until I turned 40.

 

[TribulationSigns]

That theory does not work. Why?

No, it is a theory. It is a biblical fact that you blindly deny because it does not fit your flawed doctrine.

Because of the Revelation 20:1-3 Scripture, which DEFINES just what the idea of Satan being 'bound' actually means...

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

Do you even know what the key and a great chain are?! Satan is a SPIRIT which cannot be bound by literal earthly key and chains. These have spiritual significance if you have any spiritual understanding of their purpose.

Key = Right, Authority, Ability
Chain = Power as means to restrain.

The only messenger who came down fro heaven to bind Satan is CHRIST. He comes down with the seal (security) of the Living God and the keys to bind and loose Satan, and has the power to take hold of him, and cast him in a void (bottomless Pit) where he cannot decide the nations for a period. And did you realize that Christ has given the church the KEY so that as long as she doing her great commission, she will keep Satan in the bottomless pit. If she becomes unfaithful, apostized from God (Revelation 8), she will help loosen Satan out of the bottomless pit and God will use him to judge her for unfaithfulness. Selah!

According your theory, Satan can STILL deceive the nations while being 'bound' in the pit.

You were not listening very well, haven't you? First, do you even know what nations did the Lord talk about? Will it be Russia? South Africa? or any political nations? NO!

If you ever bother to study that nation with Strong Number, G1484 which means Gentiles. It is the nations or gentiles from the four quarters of the earth. IN other words, all the UNSAVED peoples of the world who have not yet sealed by God. In other words, they are spiritually Gentiles. Christians are spiritually Jews in Christ. Satan deceive the spiritual Gentiles (unsaved people) before the Cross and after Christ finish building His Church with spiritual jews from nations. Think about it carefully. We all were spiritually gentiles to begin with and was under Satan's bondage. But Christ defeat him and removed his power over you and you will no longer be deceived and become a spiritual Jew as Christian. Selah! This is how Christ has restrained Satan from deceiving HIS PEOPLE to be saved. After this Satan will once again deceive people again "IF" they have not yet sealed or saved by Christ (First Resurrection/Born again).

Have you even MISSED the Revelation 9:11 Scripture that reveals Satan as that "king" and "angel of the bottomless pit", which he is over? Apparently you have, because Satan must be put in CHAINS like the Rev.20:1-3 Scripture reveals in order for him to be Biblically 'bound'. Plus, Satan as "king" over the bottomless pit means that is his heavenly office space where he comes and goes from.

Again, Satan is a SPIRIT. A spirit of disobedience that all people have. Satan is their king! We all was once his prisoners! We were in His house! But Christ freed us, restrained Satan from deceive you so we can be freed and be saved, but not all of people. Only "his people" while Satan still devour those who have not yet sealed of God. After that Satan will be loosened and allowed to deceive people in the CHURCH who have not yet sealed by God... like the rest of the world!

Rev 9:2-4
(2) And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Because the unsaved world is already under Satan's camp, God has allowed Satan come into his congregation and harm people WITHIN THE CONGREGATION OF GOD who have not yet been sealed by God. God is talking about professed Christians here - those who are corporately part of God's congregation.

Not only that, but the Rev.11:7 verse reveals Satan as the "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" that will kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end of this world, within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe timing. (Jesus returns on the 7th Trumpet of that Chapter.)

Revelation 11 is not talking about two individuals you thought are two witnesses. The Two Witnesses are the CHURCH, more specifically, those who are SEALED by God and received POWER to preach gospel to the world. Satan was restrained during that time until the building of Christ's church is finished, then the Two Witnesses' testimony FOR SALVATION is finished! Then Satan, a spirit of disobedience within men, will be able to wage spiritual war, overcome and silence (kill) True Christians. That is when more and more people do not like to hear the Gospel or repent of their sins. Even from professed Christians! This will be the time that they will NOT able to find salvation with Christ anymore (they did not realize this) because the days of salvation have ended with all Elects secured and Satan loosened!

Rev 9:6
(6) And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

This is HOW and WHY Satan is deceiving them again! Selah!

And further, Satan is that "beast" that "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" to be the 7th beast king for the 'end' of this present world, for the coming "great tribulation"! How is it you cannot... understand that cannot mean Satan is already 'bound' today, nor for those coming end time events for this present world prior to Christ's return?

You are going all over the place without understand the purpose of Satan binding.

The beast of Revelation 13 is the body of Satan - people with the spirit of disobedience! Not nation, empire or one-man ruler as you think!

As of right now, like Peter said, Satan is free to roam like lion, seeking who he may devour.

Only the spiritual Gentiles who have not yet sealed of God.

That automatically means Satan is NOT in those chains yet being 'bound'.

Yes, he was bound by the CROSS (a mean of restraining him) so he could not keep God's people deceived! Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Everything you mentioned above plus other things you mentioned in this post, what does all of that mean when he is loosed, thus no longer bound?

First, do you know the purpose of Satan's binding in Revelation 20? And why is he loosed? Everything have to do with the Cross and the ministry of His Church.

Amils act as if satan is bound, all the way up until he is cast into the LOF.

I did not say that. You did not read my post well.

No he isn't, though. It doesn't matter which view is correct, be it Premil or Amil, satan is not bound until he is destroyed., period.

When was Satan destroyed by Christ? What does the Bible say?

1Jn 3:8
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

This was done at the Cross. That was when Christ dealt Satan a deadly head wound. After the building of Christ's Church with the fullness of Gentiles (remember spiritual Gentiles) be coming in, then Satan's head will be healed and start deceive people once again. Therefore, Satan was actually destroyed at the Cross, period!

He is loosed for a little season first.

Do you know what the purpose of little season? First, you need to find out WHY and HOW Satan will come out of them bottomless pit?

And speaking of that, what do Amils now do with the strongman passages they apply to satan's thousand year binding?

It is!

Assuming it's even applicable to begin with, though I doubt it is, but assuming it is, how can Amils, with a straight face, apply that to when he is loosed, not even bound anymore, the fact they are already wrongly applying it to his thousand year binding?

Satan is binding until Christ has spoiled ALL of HIS PEOPLE out of his house (world), THEN Satan will be loosened. Why is it hard for you to figure it out?

IMO, but maybe I just look at things wrong

Obviously.

yet it seems more logical to apply the strongman passages to a satan that is loosed not bound.

Huh?

Rev 20:1-3
(1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
(2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Mat 12:29
(29) Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

This is talking about the millennial kingdom when Christ has bind Satan so he could build his church with people spoiled (saved) from His house (world). After the thousand years (fullness of time of whatever is in view, in this case, the millennial kingdom), Satan will be loosened for a short season before Christ returns. Selah!

Because, if he is already bound, it is an over kill to bind him even further, thus makes zero sense. Amils apply a lot of things in a backwards manner. Instead of applying the strongman passages to a satan that is not bound, they apply it to a satan that is already bound. Thus no logic in that.

Sounds like you are confused here.

 

[Rightglory]

No... Rev.20 is NOT a summation of the current Church Age.

There is NO SUCH THING written in God's Word as 'Church Ages', for that is a doctrine of men's false Dispensationalist theories.

Revelation 20 is still yet to occur, and won't until the 'day' that Lord Jesus Christ returns at His 2nd coming.

You may not call it the Church Age, but it is the period of Time from Christ's Resurrection, formation of His Church to the end of time.
Rev 20 has always been recognized as a summary of the Church Age. As far as I know the only people who don't hold the scriptural view are dispensationalists and pre and post-millennialist.

 

[Davidpt]

Revelation 11 is not talking about two individuals you thought are two witnesses. The Two Witnesses are the CHURCH, more specifically, those who are SEALED by God and received POWER to preach gospel to the world. Satan was restrained during that time until the building of Christ's church is finished, then the Two Witnesses' testimony FOR SALVATION is finished! Then Satan, a spirit of disobedience within men, will be able to wage spiritual war, overcome and silence (kill) True Christians. That is when more and more people do not like to hear the Gospel or repent of their sins. Even from professed Christians! This will be the time that they will NOT able to find salvation with Christ anymore (they did not realize this) because the days of salvation have ended with all Elects secured and Satan loosened!

Does this mean you think the day of the Lord begins at the end of the thousand years at the beginning of satan's little season, rather than at the end of satan's little season like many other Amils typically do? Why this matters is because of what 2 Peter 3 records, for one.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


This passage gives the impression that all the way up to when verse 10 is initially fulfilled, verse 9 is still true in the meantime. And the only thing making verse 9 no longer true would be the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night.

Your interpretation seems to be implying that verse 9 is only true until satan's little season begins. And once that begins, verse 9 is no longer true. The only way you could possibly be right though, the day of the Lord would have to begin with satan's little season rather than follows it. Which would then mean you have the rapture occurring at the beginning of satan's little season rather than at the end of it. This assuming the thousand years and satan's little season happens in this age, not the next age. After all, how can one divorce the rapture from the day of the Lord? You can't have one without the other, can you?

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Clearly meaning the day of the Lord throughout these verses. Do you then take verse 3 to be meaning at the beginning of satan's little season? Keeping in mind, 2 Peter 3:9 is obviously still true all the way up to when 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is initially fulfilled. And once that is fulfilled, 2 Peter 3:9 is no longer true. IOW, the day of the Lord ends His longsuffering. Except your position apparently is, or at least as far as I can tell, that 2 Peter 3:9 is no longer true as of the beginning of satan's little season.

 

[WPM]

This alone is sufficient to tell us that Satan had not been bound as of that time.

Simple as can be! But here again, these simple and plain words of Scripture are not always believed!

Much love!

Because of Christ's defeat of Satan on the cross, we have complete authority over the enemy. He cannot do what he wants with us. We are protected by God and armed with real potent spiritual power. We merely have to submit to God, resist the devil and he must flee from us.

Some Christians respond, but what about 1 Peter 5:8? Let us read it: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” The very next verse 1 Peter 5:9 affirms, “whom resist stedfast in the faith.”

The true Church of Jesus Christ is a resistance movement. While Satan resists us, the Bible says we have power to resist him, and subjugate his purposes against us. We resist the lawlessness and evil encroachments of the devil around us.

In fact, James 4:7 tells us what happens when you do resist, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

This is incredible! You resist, he must flee. When the devil plants a temptation, a doubt or a fear, you simply have to resist it, whereupon Satan must get his boots on and run. This word “flee” in the original means to escape, flee away or vanish. Now think about it. When you resist, he must disappear. The conflict today for the Church is not an earthly battle to possess an earthly territory but a spiritual battle to possess spiritual territory.

 

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Because of Christ's defeat of Satan on the cross, we have complete authority over the enemy. He cannot do what he wants with us. We are protected by God and armed with real potent spiritual power. We merely have to submit to God, resist the devil and he must flee from us.

Some Christians respond, but what about 1 Peter 5:8? Let us read it: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” The very next verse 1 Peter 5:9 affirms, “whom resist stedfast in the faith.”

The true Church of Jesus Christ is a resistance movement. While Satan resists us, the Bible says we have power to resist him, and subjugate his purposes against us. We resist the lawlessness and evil encroachments of the devil around us.

Of course we - the children of God - can resist the devil. But that doesn't mean he's bound. Peter affirms that he was not at least as of that time of writing.

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

IF you think Jesus and Peter contradict each other, you are flatly wrong.

Goodness gracious. Why would I think something stupid like that? Why would you say something like this? Seriously. Of course I do not think Jesus and Peter contradict each other. Good grief.

Make all the convoluted arguments you like, I'm just going to quote the Scriptures and believe what they say.

You probably think Paul's writings are convoluted just because you can't just always "believe what they say" as if no spiritual discernment is required and everything is just spelled out literally for you. Peter knew better.

2 Peter 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

If everything is as simple as you think it is, then why did Peter say this about Paul's writings, which make up about half of the New Testament?

I think that is at the core of all our disagreements. You have long and convoluted arguments, and I quote Bible verses.

LOL. Total nonsense. Quoting Bible verses means nothing if you don't explain what they mean. I quote more Bible verses than you do and I also provide an explanation of what they mean. So, you are absolutely wrong about the core of all our disagreements. The core of our disagreements is that I can back up my arguments with scripture and you can't back up yours with scripture. You think quoting Bible verses alone, without clearly showing how they support your view, is enough. No, it is not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Of course we - the children of God - can resist the devil. But that doesn't mean he's bound. Peter affirms that he was not at least as of that time of writing.

Much love!

Obviously, you assume his binding means he is completely incapacitated. Is that your understanding of what Jesus said regarding the binding of the strong man, who represents Satan?

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Please tell me your understanding of this passage. Do you think this is talking about completely incapacitating the strong man in order to "spoil his goods" and "spoil his house"? Or is it talking figuratively about binding the strong man in order to do something in particular that he can't prevent rather than preventing him from doing anything at all?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Most Amils, if not all Amils, are notorious for ignoring the following, though.

till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season(Revelation 20:3)

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison(Revelation 20:7)

This is just a complete lie. No Amil ignores that. It looks as if you have decided to join some other Premils here in just stating lies about Amil over and over again. Is that all you have to offer is lies about Amil? Are you not able to refute Amil unless you lie about it? You're good at arguing with straw men. Do you do it on purpose to avoid addressing what Amils actually believe?

Everything you mentioned above plus other things you mentioned in this post, what does all of that mean when he is loosed, thus no longer bound? You need to also reasonably explain how all of these things equally apply in the same manner when he is no longer bound. Amils act as if satan is bound, all the way up until he is cast into the LOF. No he isn't, though. It doesn't matter which view is correct, be it Premil or Amil, satan is not bound until he is destroyed., period. He is loosed for a little season first. And speaking of that, what do Amils now do with the strongman passages they apply to satan's thousand year binding?

Assuming it's even applicable to begin with, though I doubt it is, but assuming it is, how can Amils, with a straight face, apply that to when he is loosed, not even bound anymore, the fact they are already wrongly applying it to his thousand year binding? IMO, but maybe I just look at things wrong, yet it seems more logical to apply the strongman passages to a satan that is loosed not bound. Because, if he is already bound, it is an over kill to bind him even further, thus makes zero sense. Amils apply a lot of things in a backwards manner. Instead of applying the strongman passages to a satan that is not bound, they apply it to a satan that is already bound. Thus no logic in that.

It makes no sense to you because you are ONLY look at his binding from YOUR understanding of it. You are making no effort at all to understand how we understand his binding. So, you end up wasting all your time making straw man arguments that don't address what Amils actually believe. You have done this many times over the years and people like WPM and myself have called you out on thta, but you just continue to do it. But, there's no excuse for your ignorance at this point.