SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

[Davy]

Revelation 20:1-6 starts off about Satan being locked in chains in his pit prison immediately after Jesus' future 2nd coming. It is obvious per that Scripture that is when Satan will actually be bound in the pit, and not be able to deceive the nations again until after that "thousand years" reign by Lord Jesus and His elect saints.

However, some doctrines of men that are not written in God's Word push the falsehood that Satan today is already 'bound', when he is not. Today, for this present world time, Satan is still... deceiving nations. Apostle Peter reveals this truth in 1 Peter 5:8 as a warning that Satan is still roaming like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

Where have the 'doctrines of men' come up with that idea that Satan is already 'bound' today? One Scripture they try to use is Matthew 12:28-29...

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
KJV

That above Scripture by Lord Jesus is about His Kingdom of The SPIRIT which is manifest on earth today through His Church. It is NOT... about His literal physical Kingdom that we pray yet to come that will ONLY manifest here on earth at the day of His 2nd coming. The 'Kingdom Now' folks are a bit ahead of themselves.

Truly per early Christian history, the early Church in the western Christian nations actually believed Christ's Kingdom was then the time as a physical reality over ALL... nations. But that idea did not happen as history shows, even with the many failed attempts of the Christian Crusades to get control of the city of Jerusalem. God has boundaries for today's present world limiting the reigning power of Christ's Church. This is also why in John 18:36 Lord Jesus said that His Kingdom is NOT of this world, otherwise His servants would fight to prevent Him being crucified. He means not of this present world time. He has not yet returned today, but He will, as written.

The below John 12:31 verse is another verse used by 'doctrines of men' to declare that Satan was 'bound' at the cross...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

That "prince of this world" of course is a title for Satan. It is true that Lord Jesus defeated the devil and... death for us, by His Blood shed upon His cross.

Nevertheless, He still has HIS OWN timetable with The Father for when events are to happen, both still in this present world and in the world to come. For example, Lord Jesus said the above verse just prior to His being delivered up to be crucified.

Yet Jesus much later after His death and resurrection gave more details about that idea of Satan being "cast out". It's in Christ's Book of Revelation which He gave to the Church through Apostle John while John was in prison on the Island of Patmos, circa 96 A.D.

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Some are confused by their fleshy thinking just where Satan is today, literally. They don't understand that Satan has always operated within the Heavenly dimension, even while he walks up and down in the earth, like he said in the Book of Job. Satan is that 'king' angel over the bottomless pit of hell of Revelation 9:11. And that pit is in the Heavenly dimension of Spirit in a place of separation away from God. That also is where His angels are.

But when this 'war' in Heaven happens, Satan's place in that Heavenly dimension will no longer be. Instead, it means Satan with his angels will be "cast out" of "heaven", instead coming here, in OUR earthly dimension. This has NOT... happened yet today! It is an event reserved for staring the coming "great tribulation" events on earth.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Just like with Job, Satan today is STILL in the heavenly dimension able to accuse us before God's throne. He is still free to move up and down in the earth within that heavenly dimension, like Peter showed in 1 Peter 5:8, seeking whom he may devour.

But at this point, after this future war in Heaven when Archangel Michael casts him down to earth in OUR earthly dimension, then... in Heaven that power of The Father and His Christ will manifest there in Heaven, because Satan and his angels won't be able to approach God at His throne anymore.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That above verse is a time marker for the coming "great tribulation" at the end of this world. Per Mark 13, Jesus showed some of us will be delivered up to give a TESTIMONY against the beast at the end of this world, and to not premeditate what we will say in that "hour", but speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to say.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

That idea of that "short time" is the "one hour" which the Revelation 17:12-14 "ten kings" will reign with the "beast" king. That Revelation 17 Scripture reveals Satan with those "ten kings" will only manifest on earth at the end of this world in the generation that will literally see Christ's physical return.

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

Lord Jesus was witnessed to have said the above verse after... He had declared Satan's defeat back at John 12:31. He said the above also at a time just prior to His being delivered up to be crucified.

Notice Jesus said in the above, "for the prince of this world cometh". Again, that's a title for Satan, the devil. He is coming where? What is our Lord Jesus talking about there? He had just said that now is the judgment of the world, and now shall the prince of this world be cast out (John 12:31).

This John 14:30 verse suggests that Lord Jesus meant the "cast out" idea back at John 12:31 is in connection with the Revelation 12:7 war in Heaven when Satan will literally be cast out of Heaven, and instead down to this earth in OUR earthly dimension.

Also, has that judgment of this world per John 12:31 happened yet today, and if not, when will that happen? That will only happen on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming when He takes reign over all... nations with His "rod of iron" The Father gave Him to rule with. Satan has already been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire". No one else has been judged yet to perish. So that judgment time upon the wicked is not yet today.

So brethren in Christ, don't fall for the devil's false doctrines that claim the Revelation 12:7-17 war in Heaven already happened back at Satan's original fall. Instead those are events that will take place at the end of this world, and they involve Satan's attack upon Christ's Church, which is an event that never... took place back at Satan's original fall.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20:1-6 starts off about Satan being locked in chains in his pit prison immediately after Jesus' future 2nd coming. It is obvious per that Scripture that is when Satan will actually be bound in the pit, and not be able to deceive the nations again until after that "thousand years" reign by Lord Jesus and His elect saints.

However, some doctrines of men that are not written in God's Word push the falsehood that Satan today is already 'bound', when he is not. Today, for this present world time, Satan is still... deceiving nations. Apostle Peter reveals this truth in 1 Peter 5:8 as a warning that Satan is still roaming like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

Where have the 'doctrines of men' come up with that idea that Satan is already 'bound' today? One Scripture they try to use is Matthew 12:28-29...

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
KJV

That above Scripture by Lord Jesus is about His Kingdom of The SPIRIT which is manifest on earth today through His Church. It is NOT... about His literal physical Kingdom that we pray yet to come that will ONLY manifest here on earth at the day of His 2nd coming. The 'Kingdom Now' folks are a bit ahead of themselves.

This is ridiculous. Instead of using scripture to interpret scripture by seeing how Matthew 12:28-29 proves that Satan was bound long ago, you dismiss it with this ridiculous theory that it only refers to His spiritual kingdom of today and not to His supposed future literal physical kingdom. When did He ever say that His kingdom would be a physical kingdom? Never! He said His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36), which means it is not not a worldly, earthly kingdom, but instead is a kingdom that is spiritual and heavenly.

Truly per early Christian history, the early Church in the western Christian nations actually believed Christ's Kingdom was then the time as a physical reality over ALL... nations. But that idea did not happen as history shows, even with the many failed attempts of the Christian Crusades to get control of the city of Jerusalem. God has boundaries for today's present world limiting the reigning power of Christ's Church. This is also why in John 18:36 Lord Jesus said that His Kingdom is NOT of this world, otherwise His servants would fight to prevent Him being crucified. He means not of this present world time. He has not yet returned today, but He will, as written.

The below John 12:31 verse is another verse used by 'doctrines of men' to declare that Satan was 'bound' at the cross...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

That "prince of this world" of course is a title for Satan. It is true that Lord Jesus defeated the devil and... death for us, by His Blood shed upon His cross.

Nevertheless, He still has HIS OWN timetable with The Father for when events are to happen, both still in this present world and in the world to come. For example, Lord Jesus said the above verse just prior to His being delivered up to be crucified.

Yet Jesus much later after His death and resurrection gave more details about that idea of Satan being "cast out". It's in Christ's Book of Revelation which He gave to the Church through Apostle John while John was in prison on the Island of Patmos, circa 96 A.D.

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Some are confused by their fleshy thinking just where Satan is today, literally. They don't understand that Satan has always operated within the Heavenly dimension, even while he walks up and down in the earth, like he said in the Book of Job. Satan is that 'king' angel over the bottomless pit of hell of Revelation 9:11. And that pit is in the Heavenly dimension of Spirit in a place of separation away from God. That also is where His angels are.

But when this 'war' in Heaven happens, Satan's place in that Heavenly dimension will no longer be. Instead, it means Satan with his angels will be "cast out" of "heaven", instead coming here, in OUR earthly dimension. This has NOT... happened yet today! It is an event reserved for staring the coming "great tribulation" events on earth.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Just like with Job, Satan today is STILL in the heavenly dimension able to accuse us before God's throne.

No, he is not. Do you not believe what Paul taught here...

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

Paul asked who will bring any charge (accusation) against those whom God has chosen? The answer is "No one". That includes Satan. So, he is NOT still in heaven able to accuse us before God's throne because, as Paul taught, no one can make any accusation towards us. Why not? Because our sins have been forgiven. What can he accuse us of when our sins are forgiven and covered by the blood of Christ and not held against us? Nothing.

Also, look at verse 10 again. It says "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ". How can you not recognize that what is described there came long ago by way of the death and resurrection of Christ and the subsequent preaching of the gospel? Look at what Paul wrote here and then read Revelation 12:10 again and you should see a connection there if only you took your Premill bllinders off.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

He is still free to move up and down in the earth within that heavenly dimension, like Peter showed in 1 Peter 5:8, seeking whom he may devour.

You ignore the verse which follows that one.

1 Peter 5:8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

You look at verse 8 and act as if Satan is all powerful and is unstoppable, but all we need to do is resist him by standing firm in the faith and he must then flee from us.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

This is the kind of authority that people have over Satan now that they did not have in Old Testament times when he held the power of death and kept people in slavery to the fear of death because of not having the hope of eternal life that had not yet come through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Premills do not understand the true meaning of the binding of Satan, so they don't recognize that passages like Matthew 12:28-29, John 12:31 and Hebrews 2:14-15 relate directly to his binding that is referenced in Revelation 20.

 

[PGS11]

The binding began at the coming of Christ and the spreading of the Gospel but Satan has lost only some power and he has a army of other powerful fallen Angels to help him.The spreading of the Gospel or Word of God had a powerful effect upon the world with that effect growing as it was spread - people turning away from paganism and towards Christianity.Now some want to go back to paganism.

Eph. 6. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


When the gospel was spread it over came evil over principalities, powers and against the rulers of the darkness of this world.It changed the world driving evil back.Today things are turning the other way back to principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world the Gospel is ignored.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

He is bound in my life!

Jesus gave me power and authority over the demonites and the devilites where my life is concerned.

The Lord told me to submit myself to the Lord, resist the devil... and the devil would leave.

You know that promise, right?

Sure 'ol slewfoot and his demons are still active in the world today.... but we have the legal right before the Lord to kick him out of our personal lives.

Matthew 12:28-29 proves that Satan was bound long ago

You should get to know the Book of Hebrews better....

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

[Rightglory]

Revelation 20:1-6 starts off about Satan being locked in chains in his pit prison immediately after Jesus' future 2nd coming. It is obvious per that Scripture that is when Satan will actually be bound in the pit, and not be able to deceive the nations again until after that "thousand years" reign by Lord Jesus and His elect saints.

Rev 20 is a summation of current Church Age. Christ did not come 2000 years or more after the Church was established. It was established with the Apostles. Christ first words of His ministry was, Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand. What Kingdom? His Church.

However, some doctrines of men that are not written in God's Word push the falsehood that Satan today is already 'bound', when he is not. Today, for this present world time, Satan is still... deceiving nations. Apostle Peter reveals this truth in 1 Peter 5:8 as a warning that Satan is still roaming like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

Where have the 'doctrines of men' come up with that idea that Satan is already 'bound' today? One Scripture they try to use is Matthew 12:28-29...

Granted the Apostles were men, but the understanding has always been held by the Church.

Matt 12:28-29
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
KJV

When did Christ enter Satan's house. During the three days after his death on the Cross. He bound Satan by defeating Satan's strongest weapon, DEATH. Heb 2:14-15. makes this clear

Truly per early Christian history, the early Church in the western Christian nations actually believed Christ's Kingdom was then the time as a physical reality over ALL... nations.

The view has never died, It is as true then as it is now.
All Churches held the view until the reformation. When Luther got excommunicated he established a new doctrine of the invisible church.

The below John 12:31 verse is another verse used by 'doctrines of men' to declare that Satan was 'bound' at the cross...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

Doctrines of the Apostles who were men. though not the connotation you give them.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Christ first words of His ministry was, Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand. What Kingdom? His Church.

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

His Church is His Body and one cannot be a part of the Body of Christ unless they enter in to His Kingdom by being born again and turning from their sin so they can be in righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost

When did Christ enter Satan's house. During the three days after his death on the Cross. He bound Satan by defeating Satan's strongest weapon, DEATH. Heb 2:14-15. makes this clear

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[Rightglory]

Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

His Church is His Body and one cannot be a part of the Body of Christ unless they enter in to His Kingdom by being born again and turning from their sin so they can be in righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost





We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Agreed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You should get to know the Book of Hebrews better....

No, you should. Allow me to teach you.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

You're already off to bad start. I'm not getting the sense that you have any understanding of the book of Hebrews here. That is NOT saying that all current things are not under Him. Did you somehow miss what it says at the beginning of that verse? It says that God the Father put all things in subjection under Jesus's feet. How could you miss that? Did you just skip to the end of the verse? Paul also taught in the following passage that God the Father put all things under Jesus's feet.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Do you accept what this passage teaches, which is that God the Father placed all things under Christ's feet after His resurrection and ascension? You certainly should since it is very plainly stated. So, what then does it mean when it says "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"? Is that a contradiction? You're making it one with your interpretation. Does that not matter to you? You have Hebrews 2:8 contradicting itself. Did that not even occur to you?

What it means when it says "But now we see not yet all things put under Him" is that there are some things that don't yet exist that are not yet under Him. As each thing comes into existence it is immediately put under Him or else what Paul wrote in Ephesians 1:19-23 about Him being "far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come" would not be true.

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Is the devil your god? I'm sure he's not. He's not mine, either. Your thinking on this is far too narrow. Are you aware that he had the power of death in Old Testament times but that was taken away from Him by Christ?

Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Passages like this one relate to the binding of Satan. In Old Testament times he had the power of death and was able to keep people in slavery to the fear of death. But, the death and resurrection of Christ changed all of that. Christ took the power of death for Himself (He has the keys of hell and death - Rev 1:18) and He provided the hope of eternal life by way of His death and resurrection that people previously did not have. He had to bind the strong man Satan in order to make that happen.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Premils like you do not understand what the binding of Satan entails. It has nothing to do with completely incapacitating him as premils imagine. It has to do with Jesus and His gospel binding the strong man and spoiling his goods (people he kept in slavery to the fear of death) and his house (this world). Satan was powerless to prevent the gospel from spreading throughout the earth while setting a multitude of people free from their sins and fear of death.

 

[marks]

Apostle Peter reveals this truth in 1 Peter 5:8 as a warning that Satan is still roaming like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

This alone is sufficient to tell us that Satan had not been bound as of that time.

Simple as can be! But here again, these simple and plain words of Scripture are not always believed!

Much love!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This alone is sufficient to tell us that Satan had not been bound as of that time.

Simple as can be! But here again, these simple and plain words of Scripture are not always believed!

Much love!

You are contradicting what Jesus Himself taught. Are these words not simple and plain enough for you?

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

When you read 1 Peter 5:8 do you not continue reading the verses that follow it?

1 Peter 5:8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

Premils look at verse 8 and act as if Satan is all powerful and is unstoppable, but all we need to do is resist him by standing firm in the faith and he must then flee from us.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

This is the kind of authority that people have over Satan now that they did not have in Old Testament times when he held the power of death and kept people in slavery to the fear of death because of not having the hope of eternal life that had not yet come through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

No, you should. Allow me to teach you.

No, Jesus said the Holy Spirit is my Teacher and He would lead me in to ALL Truth and that God's Word is Truth

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Sorry, I have no use for those that claim portions of God's Word are lies... the devil has deceived those folks no matter how well meaning they may be

I'm not getting the sense that you have any understanding of the book of Hebrews

Well, then it's a good thing that what you "sense" is meaningless and irrelevant!

satan was powerless to prevent the gospel from spreading throughout the earth while setting a multitude of people free from their sins and fear of death.

The devil simply tells lies to people and people believe the lies... so I can assume you think 2 Cor is a lie the devil somehow slipped in to God's Word when Jesus wasn't looking???.... Like the other scriptures you think are lies.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.​

 

[Dan Clarkston]

His gospel binding the strong man and spoiling his goods (people he kept in slavery to the fear of death) and his house (this world).

That's funny.... you think the entire world has been set free from the devil and his demons?

That's hilarious! Those believing this must be the "see no evil monkee" who keep their eyes closed and ignore the darkness currently going on across this world in which we live.

This is what happens when people don't accept the whole counsel of the Lord... they get deceived by the devil

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, Jesus said the Holy Spirit is my Teacher and He would lead me in to ALL Truth and that God's Word is Truth

So, why is there such thing as the spiritual gift of teaching then? For no reason? You don't seem to understand that the way the Holy Spirit teaches you sometimes is through other people. You clearly are not being taught by the Holy Spirit on this matter. You don't even understand what Hebrews 2:8 means and you have it contradicting itself, which shows that you are interpreting it entirely using your own flawed understanding. Why not let me help you understand it and you can get confirmation from the Holy Spirit as you study this for yourself to see if what I am saying is true like the Bereans did (Acts 17:10-11).

Sorry, I have no use for those that claim portions of God's Word are lies... the devil has deceived those folks no matter how well meaning they may be

You know darn well that I'm not claiming any such thing. That itself is a lie.

The devil simply tells lies to people and people believe the lies... so I can assume you think 2 Cor is a lie the devil somehow slipped in to God's Word when Jesus wasn't looking???.... Like the other scriptures you think are lies.

I did not claim that verse is a lie. Why are you lying about me supposedly lying? You are being a total hypocrite here. I am trying to show you what the scriptures actually mean. Yes, Satan is the god of this world, but he's not the god of you and me or any believers. How is saying that a lie? It's not. You are lying by saying that I'm lying.

2 Corinthians 4:4​

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.​

Where did I say that this verse isn't true? It's 100% true. But, it's not the whole story. Again, is he your god? No. Is he my god? No. So, why do you act as if this verse says he is all powerful as if he was God Himself? That isn't what the verse means.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's funny.... you think the entire world has been set free from the devil and his demons?

That is not what I said! Your discernment of what I'm saying is as bad as your discernment of the scriptures we're discussing in this thread, which is really saying something.

Did you even read the passage? What do you think Hebrews 2:14-15 means? What do you think it means for Jesus to have taken the power of death away from the devil by way of his death? Do you think that had no effect on what Satan was able to do after that compared to the time before that?

That's hilarious! Those believing this must be the "see no evil monkee" who keep their eyes closed and ignore the darkness currently going on across this world in which we live.

I am not ignoring that at all. Are you even trying to see my point? It sure doesn't seem like it. Do you think that Christ's death, resurrection and the subsequent preaching of the gospel has had no effect on Satan over the past almost 2,000 years? Do you think Satan having the power of death in OT times and then no longer having it in NT times means nothing and had no effect on the world?

This is what happens when people don't accept the whole counsel of the Lord... they get deceived by the devil

Yes, and that is exactly what has happened to you with your belief in the false premillennial doctrine. You clearly have not given this topic much thought at all and have only skimmed the surface.

Let me know if you ever want to actually put some serious thought into this instead of making assumptions about what I'm saying without reading carefully while misrepresenting everything I'm saying.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The binding began at the coming of Christ and the spreading of the Gospel but Satan has lost only some power and he has a army of other powerful fallen Angels to help him.The spreading of the Gospel or Word of God had a powerful effect upon the world with that effect growing as it was spread - people turning away from paganism and towards Christianity.Now some want to go back to paganism.

Eph. 6. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


When the gospel was spread it over came evil over principalities, powers and against the rulers of the darkness of this world.It changed the world driving evil back.Today things are turning the other way back to principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world the Gospel is ignored.

Agree. So, we very well may be living during that time that Jesus talked about in Matthew 24:9-13 and that Paul wrote about in 2 Thess 2:1-12 which I equate with Satan's little season.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So, why is there such thing as the spiritual gift of teaching then?

Certainly not for you to demand that I bow down to you as my Teachers and throw the Holy Ghost and God's Word out the window!

You're actually in dire need of teaching seeing how your claim is some parts of God's Word are lies.

Why are you lying about me supposedly lying?

Hey, I'm not the one claiming God's Word does not say.... what it's clearly saying.

I am trying to show you what the scriptures actually mean.

No, you were trying to show me what the devil says which is some scriptures are lies.

I'll pass on listening to0 what the devil thinks about anything.

So, wh ydo you act as if this verse says he is all powerful as if he was God Himself?

You missed it yet again... hang in their bud, maybe you'll get it one of these days!

What do you think it means for Jesus to have taken the power of death away from the devil by way of his death?

And yet.... Hebrews 2:8 is crystal clear.... "But now we see not yet all things put under Him"

And you claim this is not true which is sad for you since you don't know this is true which is going to lead to a lot of boo hoo hoo if this is not REPENTED of quickly.

Do you think that had no effect on what Satan was able to do after that compared to the time before that?

Look around bub.... there's more evil in the world now than ever before.

Yes, and that is exactly what has happened to you with your belief in the false premillennial doctrine

And once again you are claiming some of God's Word is lies... Premillennialism is based upon a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 (Revelation 20:1–6) in the New Testament, which describes Jesus's reign in a period of a thousand years.

Man for your sake I hope you repent of your sins and get right with the Lord before it's too late!

 

[TribulationSigns]

That's funny.... you think the entire world has been set free from the devil and his demons?

No, you are funny. You do not understand the purpose of Satan's binding. This was because even though Christ bound Satan in chains of darkness so that He could build His church, Satan still is able to work iniquity in the world. ergo, the binding was not all-inclusive, it was only for the sake of the elect of the nations (Revelation 20:3) who would not be deceived.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Some folks don't let what God says in His Word get in the way of what they believe

 

[Dan Clarkston]

This was because even though Christ bound Satan in chains of darkness

That hasn't happened yet.... look around bub, evil is alive and active all over this world

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but satan hindered us.

Here we see the Apostle Paul acknowledging that satan is not bound and was in fact hindering Paul's ministry

So you folks have to now claim that Paul was ignorant and was not aware that satan has been bound and cannot hinder his ministry in anyway

Did ya'll take Paul's writings out of your bibles?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Look around bub.... there's more evil in the world now than ever before.

Without the work of the cross, there is no binding of satan and the Spirit of Christ is not poured out. For example, the whole purpose of the binding of Satan is the work of the cross. Selah! That "IT" be efficacious! Without one, there can be no other. Even as illustrated in Christ's very own words. Consider wisely the verse that Spiritual Israelitie quoted:

Matthew 12:29

• "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he FIRST bind the strong man? and THEN he will spoil his house."

Clearly, unambiguously, and without any contradiction, Christ is saying that in order to save His people from the nations ruled by Satan, He FIRST had to bind Satan. Destroy his power by His death. Only then could he spoil (seize by right of conquest) those of the nations whom Satan ruled over. It wasn't an option, Satan had to be bound first in order that salvation go to the nations. Get it?! Thus it is impossible to separate the work of the cross from the binding of Satan, and that is why God doesn't! They are inextricably related! The problem (as I see it) is that people do not understand that the destroying of Satan was "NOT" for the world so that there will be no evil in the world. No, Satan is still active in the world. It was for the sake of the chosen/election "of" the world. Thus Satan STILL goes about as a roaring Lion in the world, but his works were destroyed as far as holding the chosen in chains of darkness. That is what was broken by Christ's taking on the flesh, and suffering death. His hold upon us from Adam's fall, so we could then be sealed as the Israel of God. consider God's word very carefully.

Hebrews 2:14-15

• "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
• And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

Again, Clearly, His death Loosed us from the bonds of the Strong Man Satan. Those who were subject to bondage in Satan's prison house are set free by this work of Christ in destroying the Devil's ability to hold them by His death. So by this bonding, God could set us free and seal us in our foreheads to now be "His servants." The true Israel of God.

So once all Elect have been secured (Revelation 7:1-4), the testimony of the Two Witnesses is finished (Rev 11:7-8) and Satan no longer bound and came out of the bottomless pit, not only deceive people again, but also overcome and silence (kill) the Two Witnesses. This is when you will see MORE EVIL in the world today, have you notice? Probably not because if you are busy looking for pretrib rapture, antichrist, 7 years treaty, physical battle of Armageddon and then finally a world peace for 1,000 years with Christ ruling from the Middle Eastern city, you will be greatly disappointed!

Premillennialism is based upon a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 (Revelation 20:1–6) in the New Testament, which describes Jesus's reign in a period of a thousand years.

But the theology of the kingdom is about the when, how, what, and where of salvation and the Kingdom. It is about what Christ we serve. It is about what is the hope of Israel. It is about the work of Christ. Like you, Judaism is almost identical to Premillennialism as they looked forward to an earthly kingdom, reign, restoration, etc., also. So why were they blinded and the Kingdom representation taken from them if it was all inconsequential? Because they couldn't see the forest for the trees. The kingdom is not of this world as Premillennialists believe! It is SPIRITUAL! And they that worship the Messiah must worship Him in Spirit and Truth, not as some deliverer of National Israel in the Middle East. So again, it's not non-essential, it's crucial to the 1st Resurrection from the dead, the hope of Israel, the New Covenant confirmed/strengthened with Israel, the binding of Satan and why, the millennial reign of The Messiah when he is bound, and the Kingdom of God on earth, and the reason for his loosing.