Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

[Douggg]

When we compare Esther 8-9 and Ezekiel 38-39, we see multiple strong parallels. In both, the conflict encompasses the entirety of the Persian Empire. In both, the Gentiles attempt a genocide against the Jews, and in both, Israel’s enemy turns on itself. With these parallels in mind, we can conclude once again that Ezekiel’s prophecy does not describe a future event in human history, but rather a fulfilled event in ancient history.

No, Ezekiel 38-39 takes place in the latter years, latter days.

Gog's armies are destroyed in Israel.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Ezekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. No, you are not "deeply hurt and lost for words, astonished!". I'm pretty sure you are not that easily offended. Give me a break.

"Now your claiming I'm not a snow flake" like you and your right

I'm the Ole water on the ducks back kinda guy

What I'm asking you for evidence of is that the Zerubbabel temple resembled what is described in Ezekiel 40-46. What you're saying here is not evidence that the Zerubbabel temple resembled the description of the temple given in Ezekiel 40-46. Just giving info about the building of the Zerubbabel temple does not mean it fit the description we read in Ezekiel 40-46. So, I ask again. Is there any kind of evidence to show that the Zerubbabel temple resembled the description of the temple written in Ezekiel 40-46? If not, so be it. You can still believe the Zerubbabel temple is that temple if you want. I don't care. I'm not saying one way or another whether it is or not. I personally believe that the Ezekiel 40-46 prophecy was conditional because of Ezekiel 43:10-11, but all I know for sure is that it can't possibly refer to a future temple and we agree on that.

I'm simply asking if you have any concrete evidence to back up the claim that Ezekiel 40-46 is a description of the Zerubbabel temple. You shouldn't be offended by someone asking you to provide evidence to back up your claims.

You were given direct scripture in Ezekiel chapter 43 where God himself was giving instruction on animal blood sacrifice for sin

You were given direct scripture of God's instruction to Ezekiel on him delivering the pattern of the temple and ordinances to Israel in the captivity

Do you believe the temple described in Ezekiel 40-46 would be a temple built after the cross of Calvary "No" because God wouldn't give his personal instruction on blood animal sacrifice for sin after the blood shed on Calvary, no need to get a tape measure out and measure dimensions, it's that simple, not concrete evidence but armor plate steel evidence

There was one temple built in Jerusalem during/after the life of Ezekiel and that's the Zerubabbel 2nd temple that was destroyed in 70AD by Roman soldiers

It's That Simple, No Need To Buy A Tape Measure, Save Your Money

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[grafted branch]

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Dwelling Securely After the Exile

The text gives us some very specific details regarding this “historical context from the speaker’s perspective” and this “historical phase when the new period of settlement in the land has arrived.” Gog’s attack would come at a time when God’s People are “now dwelling (yashav) securely, all of them” (Ezek. 38:8b). In verse 14, it says of Gog: “On that day, when my people are dwelling securely, will you not know it?” It is a time when the land had been “restored from war” and God’s people were “gathered” back to their homeland which had formerly been a “continual waste” (Ezek. 38:8).



This aptly describes the situation during the time of Ezra, Nehemiah and Esther when God’s People had returned from exile and the restoration had begun. Ezra tells us that all Israel was once again living in their own cities (Ezra 2:70) and the people were gathered together “as one man” (Ezra 3:1). Nehemiah reiterates this, all the sons of Israel were back home in their own cities (Neh. 7:73), and everyone “lived (yashav) on his own property” (Neh. 11:3). This is the same word that Ezekiel uses in Ezekiel 38:8.



The Persians, who had liberated Judah from Babylon, were fully assisting the Jews in the restoration effort (Ezra 1). The Assyrians, who had taken the ten northern tribes captive in 722 BC, were now aiding the Jews in the rebuilding of the temple. Ezra 6:22 says that “the Lord” had “turned the heart of the king of Assyria toward them to encourage them in the work of the house of the God, the God of Israel.”



To sum it up, their most recent enemy, Babylon, was no longer a threat. Their more ancient enemy, Assyria, was now their ally. And they had the full support of Persia, the empire that was now in power. Things couldn’t have been better for God’s people at this time. Everyone who wanted to return was back home, and the other nations were no longer a danger to them. All those who chose to return went back to their own land. The Jews’ situation, at the time of Ezra, Nehemiah and Esther, perfectly fits the scenario that Ezekiel describes as the time when Gog’s attack comes. It is a time when all Jews were truly dwelling “securely” in every sense of the word.

 

[quietthinker]

How are you coming to the conclusion that the wicked from all ages are alive in Revelation 20:7-9? Where does it say that? So far, you are doing nothing to back up your claims. Explain how you are coming to your conclusions.

Here's some background of how I understand what is being spoken of in Rev. 20 regarding 'Gog and Magog'

1. Jesus returns in the clouds where every living eye sees him. God's people (saints) currently await this event.
2. The righteous dead are resurrected and transformed from corruptible to incorruption (1st resurrection) and together with God's people who are alive at the time, transformed from mortal to immortal. They are caught up to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Where will they go/ be after meeting Jesus in the air? To/ in Heaven (Revelation 20:4, 1 Thessalonians 4:17)
3. The wicked who witness this will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming (in my view either heart failure or suicide) 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Revelation 6:14-17) ....thus the Earth has no living people on it.
4. The Earth is broken and desolate and Satan and his angels are isolated to it ('chained' by circumstance) for 1000 yrs.
5. God's people are with the Lord for this period. Revelation 20:4, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Where? Heaven.
6. After the 1000 yrs Satan is 'loosed' (by a change of circumstances. (Revelation 20:7-8) In other words, the wicked dead (Gog and Magog) are now resurrected (2nd resurrection....Revelation 20:5 ...consider context) Satan again has people to deceive and tempt which he does (his 'chains' are loosed)

....the narrative continues

 

[Truth7t7]

Here's some background of how I understand what is being spoken of in Rev. 20 regarding 'Gog and Magog'

1. Jesus returns in the clouds where every living eye sees him. God's people (saints) currently await this event.
2. The righteous dead are resurrected and transformed from corruptible to incorruption (1st resurrection) and together with God's people who are alive at the time, transformed from mortal to immortal. They are caught up to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Where will they after meeting Jesus in the air? To Heaven (Revelation 20:4, 1 Thessalonians 4:17)
3. The wicked who witness this will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming (in my view either heart failure or suicide) 2 Thessalonians 2:8 Revelation 6:14-17) ....thus the Earth has no living people on it.
4. The Earth is broken and desolate and Satan and his angels are isolated to it ('chained' by circumstance) for 1000 yrs.
5. God's people are with the Lord for this period. Revelation 20:4, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Where? Heaven.
6. After the 1000 yrs Satan is 'loosed' (by a change of circumstances. (Revelation 20:7-8) In other words, the wicked dead (Gog and Magog) are now resurrected (2nd resurrection....Revelation 20:5 ...consider context) Satan again has people to deceive and tempt which he does (his 'chains' are loosed)

....the narrative continues

You claim there's a 1,000 year gap between the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked, while scripture clearly teaches the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked takes place at the second coming on the last day

"All" that are in the Graves

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You claim the wicked die of suicide or heart attacks at the return of Jesus, scripture shows they're smoked by the Lord's fire in final judgment as seen in Luke 17:29-30

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[quietthinker]

You claim there's a 1,000 year gap between the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked, while scripture clearly teaches the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked takes place at the second coming on the last day

After the 1000yrs (Rev.20:7) Which 1000 yrs I would ask? Rev.20:4 tells us, ' ....and they lived and reigned with Christ 1000yrs'

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yes, this is true, however you are assuming these resurrections happen at the same time and together whereas Rev. 20:4 and 20:7 seperate them.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Rev. 20:9-15 speaks of what will transpire to the resurrected hordes (Gog and Magog). This/ these event(s) are not referring to the second coming of Jesus but rather some time after it ie, after the 1000yrs.
The expression 'when the Son of Man is revealed' has a multiple application in Luke 17:30 whereas vs 24 is clearly referring to Jesus second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

You claim there's a 1,000 year gap between the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked

Rev 20 teaches that. There is a 1000 years inbetween the two resurrections.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,



There will come a time/hour that all baseball teams will play against another team but that doesn't mean all on the same day. A time will come for all the dead to be raised. First, the dead in Christ rise, then after a thousand years "the rest of the dead" will rise. That's what we find when looking at all of the related passages.

Another analogy:

"For the hour is coming, in which all who start and complete highschool shall graduate."

No one would argue that every single person who completes highschool will all graduate the same hour, or same day, or even the same year. Obviously, freshmen don't graduate when seniors do.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rev 20 teaches that. There is a 1000 years inbetween the two resurrections.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,



There will come a time/hour that all baseball teams will play against another team but that doesn't mean all on the same day. A time will come for all the dead to be raised. First, the dead in Christ rise, then after a thousand years "the rest of the dead" will rise. That's what we find when looking at all of the related passages.

Another analogy:

"For the hour is coming, in which all who start and complete highschool shall graduate."

No one would argue that every single person who completes highschool will all graduate the same hour, or same day, or even the same year. Obviously, freshmen don't graduate when seniors do.

There will be one future resurrection of all, both the righteous and wicked, there won't be a 1,000 year gap as you claim

"All" that are in the Graves

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[quietthinker]

There will be one future resurrection of all, both the righteous and wicked, there won't be a 1,000 year gap as you claim

"All" that are in the Graves

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yes, all will hear his voice but the context derived from other texts tells us it wont be at the same time. Revelation 20:4 and 20:7 make it clear 1000yrs will transpire between the 1st and 2nd resurrection ie, 'hearing his voice'

Those in the 1st resurrection will come forth glorified as was Jesus's at his resurrection. Those in the 2nd resurrection will come out of the graves as they went into them, ie old and decrepit, diseased and diminishing. It is these that Satan will deceive to attack the 'New Jerusalem' which has come down out of Heaven from God.

Here is a description of the 'New Jerusalem' that comes down from God out of heaven (Rev. 21:9-11....')

'One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal......'

 

[ewq1938]

There will be one future resurrection of all, both the righteous and wicked, there won't be a 1,000 year gap as you claim

It's not my claim as it comes from Rev 20, which you ignore. Not one scripture speaks of a resurrection where the saved and unsaved all rise at the same time. It is ALWAYS the saved first and the unsaved last. It is that way in Rev 20, with a thousand years inbetween.

To speak in Amil language, Christ the first resurrection rose alone not with any of the unsaved. It is the same with the future resurrection of the saved dead in Christ. They rise alone, no unsaved will rise with them.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, all will hear his voice but the context derived from other texts tells us it wont be at the same time. Revelation 20:4 and 20:7 make it clear 1000yrs will transpire between the 1st and 2nd resurrection ie, 'hearing his voice'

Those in the 1st resurrection will come forth glorified as was Jesus's at his resurrection. Those in the 2nd resurrection will come out of the graves as they went into them, ie old and decrepit, diseased and diminishing. It is these that Satan will deceive to attack the 'New Jerusalem' which has come down out of Heaven from God.

Here is a description of the 'New Jerusalem' that comes down from God out of heaven (Rev. 21:9-11....')

'One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal......'

The attack on Jerusalem is before NJ descends, so it is an attack on old Jerusalem and those attacking will attack BEFORE the second resurrection happens. They have to die first, so they can take part in that second resurrection. When they are resurrected, they go straight to the GWTJ so they are not allowed to attack anything once they are resurrected. satan is also in the LOF before any of the unsaved dead are resurrected.

See for yourself:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

This is BEFORE the second resurrection found in 20:12-13

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


Before NJ comes down in the last verse.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The devil is in the LOF before the unsaved dead are resurrected.


Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The resurrected unsaved dead cannot and do not attack any city.


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

NJ does not come down until all the unsaved are judged and in the LOF. NJ is never attacked.

 

[quietthinker]

The attack on Jerusalem is before NJ descends, so it is an attack on old Jerusalem and those attacking will attack BEFORE the second resurrection happens. They have to die first, so they can take part in that second resurrection. When they are resurrected, they go straight to the GWTJ so they are not allowed to attack anything once they are resurrected. satan is also in the LOF before any of the unsaved dead are resurrected.

See for yourself:

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

This is BEFORE the second resurrection found in 20:12-13

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


Before NJ comes down in the last verse.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The devil is in the LOF before the unsaved dead are resurrected.


Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The resurrected unsaved dead cannot and do not attack any city.


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

NJ does not come down until all the unsaved are judged and in the LOF. NJ is never attacked.

I do not agree with this synopsis. It is not the conclusions that emerge when I read Revelation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, all will hear his voice but the context derived from other texts tells us it wont be at the same time. Revelation 20:4 and 20:7 make it clear 1000yrs will transpire between the 1st and 2nd resurrection ie, 'hearing his voice'

Those in the 1st resurrection will come forth glorified as was Jesus's at his resurrection. Those in the 2nd resurrection will come out of the graves as they went into them, ie old and decrepit, diseased and diminishing. It is these that Satan will deceive to attack the 'New Jerusalem' which has come down out of Heaven from God.

Here is a description of the 'New Jerusalem' that comes down from God out of heaven (Rev. 21:9-11....')

'One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal......'

Where does the verses seen below seem to fit into your movie screen write?

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[Truth7t7]

It's not my claim as it comes from Rev 20, which you ignore. Not one scripture speaks of a resurrection where the saved and unsaved all rise at the same time. It is ALWAYS the saved first and the unsaved last. It is that way in Rev 20, with a thousand years inbetween.

To speak in Amil language, Christ the first resurrection rose alone not with any of the unsaved. It is the same with the future resurrection of the saved dead in Christ. They rise alone, no unsaved will rise with them.

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

When Jesus Returns The Resurrection Of The Dead Takes Place (Then Cometh The End)

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[quietthinker]

Where does the verses seen below seem to fit into your movie screen write?

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

I see 2 Peter 3:10-12 as referring to John description in the latter half of verse 9 of chapter 20 of Revelation. Rev. 20:9
There will no doubt also be geographical turmoil associated with Jesus second coming.

What follows next is only conjecture.
My guess is that the second coming will take time. How much time? I don't know. Will he come from the East as some have suggested? possibly. I don't know. What I do know is the planet takes 24 hours to revolve on its axis. This being the case I imagine the dawning presence of Jesus with billions of angels will be perceived as an alien invasion by the World powers and have them scrambling for weapons the which Nuclear might just be the tip of the iceberg.....even using them. These weapons will unleash a mayhem the World has never known. Would they even set the elements on fire?

 

[Truth7t7]

I see 2 Peter 3:10-12 as referring to John description in the latter half of verse 9 of chapter 20 of Revelation. Rev. 20:9
There will no doubt also be geographical turmoil associated with Jesus second coming.

What follows next is only conjecture.
My guess is that the second coming will take time. How much time? I don't know. Will he come from the East as some have suggested? possibly. I don't know. What I do know is the planet takes 24 hours to revolve on its axis. This being the case I imagine the dawning presence of Jesus with billions of angels will be perceived as an alien invasion by the World powers and have them scrambling for weapons the which Nuclear might just be the tip of the iceberg.....even using them. These weapons will unleash a mayhem the World has never known. Would they even set the elements on fire?

Scripture below teaches that when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) it teaches that this event takes place in (The Blink Of The Eye) The End (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

Your scenarios of nuclear war and missiles being launched in destruction would be impossible in the truth of scripture seen below don't ya think?

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 52-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[quietthinker]

Scripture below teaches that when Jesus comes the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End) it teaches that this event takes place in (The Blink Of The Eye) The End

I'm not familiar with anything saying Jesus will return in the blink of an eye. What I do know is that Paul says we will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
You have misunderstood the very text you are quoting about the 'blink of an eye'

Jesus said it will be like the lightning that shines from the east even to the west. It is the brightness (shining) that Jesus refers to, not its speed.

Matthew 24:27
'For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.'

In other words, it will cover the whole sky.

 

[quietthinker]

Your scenarios of nuclear war and missiles being launched in destruction would be impossible in the truth of scripture seen below don't ya think?

Like I said, its conjecture but not impossible or out of the question.

 

[Douggg]

The Jews’ situation, at the time of Ezra, Nehemiah and Esther, perfectly fits the scenario that Ezekiel describes as the time when Gog’s attack comes. It is a time when all Jews were truly dwelling “securely” in every sense of the word.

It does not even come close.

The Gog/Magog attack takes place in the latter years, latter days. There was no mass attack on Israel by an alliance of nations listed in Ezekiel 38:2-6. There was no mass grave site of the bodies of Gog's army in a place to known as the valley of Hamongog.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not familiar with anything saying Jesus will return in the blink of an eye. What I do know is that Paul says we will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
You have misunderstood the very text you are quoting about the 'blink of an eye'

I didn't misunderstand anything, when Jesus returns the event of the resurrection takes place in (the twinkling/blink of an eye)

It teaches when Jesus returns the resurrection takes place in this time (The Twinkling/Blinking Of An Eye) (Then Cometh The End)

The Bible Also Teaches Jesus Returns As A Thief In The Night

Your scenario of nuclear missiles being launched and nuclear war taking place doesn't fit into this part of God's picture