Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog
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Truth7t7
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The scripture in context in Ezekiel 39 shows Israel went into the captivity, and the battle surrounds Israel returning to Jerusalem from their Babylonian captivity, in building the 2nd Zerubabbel temple in 536 BC as seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46
Ezekiel 39:23-25KJV
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
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You make false claims Fallen Angel's are Gog/Magog, you claim there are multiple resurrection and deaths and you run from answering my post below "Why"?
Your problem is you falsely believe there are multiple resurrection at different times "Wrong"
There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved
The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"
Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"
1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)
Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Ezekiel 38-39 takes place in the latter days, latter years. You also left out Ezekiel 39:21-22.
Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus's return as I show on my chart.
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Does not make sense at all. This does not answer my question. The verses confirm with "nations" coming down on Israel with wood weapons and all life on whole Earth felt the presence of the Lord (verse 20) at that time, the burning of weapon for 7 years, etc. etc. Where is the verse to confirm the fulfillment.
Where did you get this idea from? Meaning, who have you noted interpreting it in that manner? Even if they are the resurrected dead, not that I agree they are, but if they are they wouldn't be meaning the dead in Christ, though. The dead in Christ means once saved always saved. After all, they are literally dead and that they are the dead in Christ not the dead in satan or something.
Regardless who you obtained this interpretation through, the best thing to do is cast it into the trash where it belongs and not even entertain it as a possibility.
What part of my response and my initial post didn't you understand? Did I not repeatedly mention I was pursuing the conflicting information presented in chapters 19 and 20 regarding the number of resurrections that I was seeing ? Now, it seems you are simply looking for a reason to argue and carry on... I think you should get some rest....
I have simply read the chapters and attempted to prepare an outline before I could / would begin preparing a narratiive.... I was quite clear this was a confusing issue as I was reading the verses and they made no sense to me.... Consequently, I thought it appropriate to throw this issue out into this site to see if anyone had addressed this before me. That is all there is to it, so, if you would like to read the verses and offer your thoughts on them, great. If not, you can ignore this topic and go on your way.... Take care.
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Not looking for a reason to argue, you've been presented clear scripture that shows there is one future resurrection that takes place on "The Last Day"
It's apparent that you believe a literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom takes place on this earth that's not found in scripture, correct me if I'm wrong
You've been clearly shown that Gog/Magog isn't fallen angels as you've falsely claimed, this represents world nations, your false doctrine falls
Yes you've opened a thread trying to interject new false doctrines and its been a no fly, shut down at every corner
Trying to play the victim doesn't work, your false doctrines presented are in the trash can
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The bows, arrows, shields, spears are symbolic of the actual weapons used in the latter days, latter years attack on Israel.
If you actually read the text of Ezekiel 39, verses 21-29 is Jesus's return, with Jesus Himself speaking in the text.
My chart is correct. The 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 coincide with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27. The sequential application of the 29 verses by segments is shown on my chart.
Also, when the beast-king and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire - a thousand years before Satan will be cast into the lake of fire. According to what is written in the text of Revelation.
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IOW, we are to believe that the same 24 hour day Christ returns, that before 24 hours have elasped, thus would be a new day, not the same day Christ returned, if more than 24 hours have elasped since He initially returned. And that within this same 24 hours He returns Christ will have raised every single person from the beginning of time through the end of this age, and will have judged billions and billions and billions of people one at a time and do all of this within the same 24 hour day He returns? That is far fetched if that is what you believe.
IOW, no matter how you look at it, no way can the last day be meaning a literal 24 hour day to begin with. These things can't logically fit within a 24 hour era of time. That should be obvious to even a 3rd grader. Except we are all adults here. And if it's obvious to 3rd graders it should be obvious to us as well.
And since it logically has to involve more than 24 hours after Christ has returned, why then can't there be millennium during the last day since the last day will be involving an era of time consisting of more than 24 hours anywy? Instead of you dealing with that, it's easier for you to just say I'm wrong rather than showing how it's logical that an event, such as the great white throne judgment, can be fulfilled within 24 hours or less.
In the beginning it took God 6 days to create and form everything. He didn't do all of that in a snap of the fingers. God is not going to snap His fingers when He returns, where one second it is the beginning of the great white throne judgment, then the next second the great white throne judgment has concluded entirely.
My bad. I thought maybe you had noted someone interpreting it in that manner in the past and that I was curious as to who since I'm unaware of anyone ever interpreting it in that manner. That aside since my other post didn't come across to you in a good way, let me try this post then.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Verse 5 says this---But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection
Except what I have underlined above, per verse 5, can't be meaning nor involving what I don't have underlined in verse 5. And the reeason is simple. Just look at what verse 6 says. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection---and shall reign with him a thousand years. With that in mind what I just submitted in the preceding sentence, let's look at the following in verse 5 again, then compare that with the following recorded in verse 6.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished---compared with---he that hath part in the first resurrection--shall reign with him a thousand years. Obviously, the rest of the dead can't also reign with Him a thousand years if they don't even live again until the thousand years are finished. Keeping in mind this in verse 4 as well---and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The keywords being--and they lived--something that the rest of the dead don't do again until after the thousand years are finished. Therefore, in verse 5, this--This is the first resurrection--is only pertaining to those in verse 4 and 6 and are not also meaning the rest of the dead per verse 5, for the reasons I mentioned above.
What we have to keep in mind here, is this. After the thousand years is satan's little season, then after that is the great white throne judgment, and that both events are after the thousand years have finished. IOW, the rest of the dead don't have to live again the moment the thousand years are finished.
They can initially begin living again when they are raised from the dead following satan's little season in order to stand before God at the great white throne judgment. It is still after the thousand years have finished no matter how you look at it. Whether they live again during satan's little season, or whether they live again after satan's little season, both are still meaning after the thousand years have expired.
I am still working on this difficult issue (for me) regarding the number of times the "wicked in Christ" will be resurrected and destroyed" by going through the relevant verses in chapters 19 and 20.
If you have an interest in this topic, please offer me your thoughts....thanks.
If you have an interest in this topic, please offer me your thoughts....thanks.
- At Christ’s Return (Revelation 19:19-21):
- The beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire (final and permanent).
- The wicked alive at His return are killed physically (not yet judged). (FIRST DEATH -PHYSICAL)
- During the Millennium (Revelation 20:1-6):
- The righteous reign with Christ.
- The wicked dead remain in their graves.
- After the Millennium (Revelation 20:7-10):
- The wicked dead are resurrected to join Satan’s final rebellion. (FIRST RESURRECTION OF WICKED IN CHRIST)
- Fire from heaven devours their rebellion (ends their physical presence again). Gog / Magog (SECOND DEATH OF WICKED IN CHRIST)
- Satan is cast into the lake of fire.
- The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15):
- The wicked are resurrected and judged according to their deeds. (SECOND RESURRECTION OF WICKED IN CHRIST AFTER MILLENIUM)
- They are cast into the lake of fire, symbolizing eternal separation from God. (THIRD DEATH OF WICKED IN CHRIST)
Thank you and I just sent a new post on this subject and perhaps you might offer your thoughts!
This sounds like SDA teaching to me since that is what they basically believe. Except not all of us are SDA and that a lot of us disagree with their interpretation. SDA denies that Christ is on the earth during the millennium. They have Christ in heaven during the millennium and have satan bound on the earth alone without a single human being on the planet at the time. Which then makes nonsense of some of Zechariah 14, for instance, since some of that chapter is involving things after Christ has returned and is obviously involving events taking place on the earth not in heaven. And that's hardly the only thing their interpretation contradicts.
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