Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

[Douggg]

The battle seen in Ezekiel chapter 39 was fought "Long Ago" with wooden weapons Spears, Bows, Arrows, Shields, that were burnt in the fires of Israel thousands of years ago

No, the Ezekiel 39 event is end times, and not far away.

The description of the weapons was put in terms of weapons used thousands of years ago, as the terms tanks, artillery, mechanized infantry were not terms available back then.

The Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event takes place in the latter years, Ezekiel 38:8, and in the latter days, Ezekiel 38:16.

The 4 things that I listed following the Ezekiel 39 destruction of Gog's army, none are listed as following the Revelation 20:8 event.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

No, Revelation 16, involves the dragon (Satan), the beast king, the false prophet. Those three, active at the same time. Not so in Revelation 20:7-10.

In Revelation 20:10, when Satan is cast into the lake of fire, the beast-king and the false prophet are already there in the lake of fire at that time. Those two will have already been there for a thousand years. Go back to Revelation 19:20 as to when those two are cast alive into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, the Ezekiel 39 event is end times, and not far away.

The description of the weapons was put in terms of weapons used thousands of years ago, as the terms tanks, artillery, mechanized infantry were not terms available back then.

The Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event takes place in the latter years, Ezekiel 38:8, and in the latter days, Ezekiel 38:16.

The 4 things that I listed following the Ezekiel 39 destruction of Gog's army, none are listed as following the Revelation 20:8 event.

No, Revelation 16, involves the dragon (Satan), the beast king, the false prophet. Those three, active at the same time. Not so in Revelation 20:7-10.

In Revelation 20:10, when Satan is cast into the lake of fire, the beast-king and the false prophet are already there in the lake of fire at that time. Those two will have already been there for a thousand years. Go back to Revelation 19:20 as to when those two are cast alive into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

"The Ezekiel 39 Event Is Not Far Away"?

Tell me what army in this world today is armed with "wooden" bows, arrows, spears, and shields?

Try to convince the readers that Israel will be burning these weapons for seven years in their homes, so they have no need to take wood out of the forest, as if Israelis are gathering firewood out of the forest presently, Big Smiles!

Douggg your living in a fairy tale dream, ground control to major Douggg

Douggg the battle Gog/Magog is nothing more than the battle of Armageddon taught in a repeated parallel teaching

The battle below was fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[CTK]

Well, I am certainly glad I asked.... there are a number of different interpretations....... but does anyone want to comment on one of the issues I hope I brought up earlier..... regarding the dead in Christ .... are they resurrected once after the millenium to be destroyed by fire and then have to be resurrected one more time to be part of the GWTJ and then thrown into the lake of fire? Meaning, twice resurrected and died three times! Thanks.

 

[grafted branch]

Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 takes place "in the latter years" Ezekiel 38:8 and "in the latter days" Ezekiel 38:16.

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter <319> days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

Genesis 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last <319> days.

The phrase “in the last” in Genesis 49:1 is the same phrase “in the latter” used in Ezekiel 38:16. In Genesis 49:1 it isn’t talking about the end of the world, it’s talking about events happened in the lifetime of his sons. We don’t anticipate a future fulfillment of Genesis 49:1 and neither should we anticipate a future fulfillment of Ezekiel 38:16.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The battle seen in Ezekiel chapter 39 was fought "Long Ago" with wooden weapons Spears, Bows, Arrows, Shields, that were burnt in the fires of Israel thousands of years ago

Wooden weapons? Bad assumption. It is not what you and Douggg think.

The prophecy about Gog and Magog has to do with a spiritual invasion. It is their doctrines and interpretations of men come against the True Witnesses of Israel, whose words are contained in the scriptures.

It is not a military invasion, but a figurative one. The armies of Gog and Magog are spiritual, representing delusions, and flawed interpretations. Their weapons are their teachings, and doctrines!

First, you need to look up in Ephesians 6 that lists the spiritual armour and weapons that Christians are encouraged to take up.

Eph 6:11-17
(11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
(15) And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
(16) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
(17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:


And compare this with the army in Ezekiel 38 is clothed "with all sorts of armour," and they all handle swords. The bows and arrows, swords and spears, shields and bucklers in Ezekiel's prophecy are symbolic, but they need to be identified from scripture, not from the imagination of dispensationalist false prophets.

In Eze 38 and Revealtion 20, God did NOT talking about some physical countries coming down to national Israel in the Middle East for a physical battle.

Selah!

 

[Truth7t7]

Well, I am certainly glad I asked.... there are a number of different interpretations....... but does anyone want to comment on one of the issues I hope I brought up earlier..... regarding the dead in Christ .... are they resurrected once after the millenium to be destroyed by fire and then have to be resurrected one more time to be part of the GWTJ and then thrown into the lake of fire? Meaning, twice resurrected and died three times! Thanks.

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[Truth7t7]

This is the first time these guys are mentioned in Revelation and also, there is nothing (I believe) in Revelation up to this chapter that reveals what God will do with those fallen angels.....

Nothing in Revelation Chapter 20 mentions "Fallen Angels" as you falsely claim, as you try to construct a completely false doctrine not found in scripture "Wrong"

As is clearly seen the worlds "Nations" are Gog/Magog, simple, clear, easy to understand, and before your eyes in Revelation 20:8 below

"THE NATIONS"

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Truth7t7]

Wooden weapons? Bad assumption. It is not what you and Douggg think.

The prophecy about Gog and Magog has to do with a spiritual invasion.

I Strongly Disagree

Ezekiel 39 is speaking of a literal battle, literal wooden weapons, and a literal Israel burning these wooden weapons, this literal event is historical and took place thousands of years ago

 

[CTK]

Nothing in Revelation Chapter 20 mentions "Fallen Angels" as you falsely claim, as you try to construct a completely false doctrine not found in scripture "Wrong"

As is clearly seen the worlds "Nations" are Gog/Magog, simple, clear, easy to understand, and before your eyes in Revelation 20:8 below

"THE NATIONS"

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

So you felt a need to respond as you did in #8 earlier? Or was this a mistake in sending it again?

 

[Truth7t7]

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Douggg your charts and graphs are "False" just as your claim Ezekiel Chapter 39 is near its also "False" you have been shown several times no future battle is going to be fought with wooden, bows, arrows, shields, and spears, it's a make believe fantasy out of Aesops Fables

 

[Truth7t7]

So you felt a need to respond as you did in #8 earlier? Or was this a mistake in sending it again?

For some mysterious reason you haven't responded to your false claim of "Fallen Angels" why?

 

[MonoBiblical]

In Revelation these are the last days of planet earth ever. Fire will scorch the 4 sides of earth, and everyone will have a quick because of nuclear holocaust.

 

[CTK]

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

For some mysterious reason you haven't responded to your false claim of "Fallen Angels" why?

Oh but I did.... please read #9.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg your charts and graphs are "False" just as your claim Ezekiel Chapter 39 is near its also "False" you have been shown several times no future battle is going to be fought with wooden, bows, arrows, shields, and spears, it's a make believe fantasy out of Aesops Fables

It does not say "wooden" in the text. And there are 7 years of burning the weapons. Something that is not in Revelation 20:8-11.

 

[Verily]

We got teeth that are spears here and arrows and tongues for sharp swords

Psalm 57:4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

 

[Truth7t7]

THEN, I see a problem - and that problem is they would seem to have to be resurrected 2 times and be destroyed 3 times….. which makes no sense at all, and God always makes sense!

My apology and oversight in missing post #9

Your problem is you falsely believe there are multiple resurrection at different times "Wrong"

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I Strongly Disagree

Ezekiel 39 is speaking of a literal battle, literal wooden weapons, and a literal Israel burning these wooden weapons, this literal event is historical and took place thousands of years ago

LOL! When was that exactly? Where is the BIBLICAL HISTORY of that? Show me the Scripture of your falsely historical fulfillment.

 

[CTK]

My apology and oversight in missing this post

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

No problem at all... thanks.

 

[Truth7t7]

No problem at all... thanks.

Your problem is you falsely believe there are multiple resurrection at different times "Wrong"

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.