Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

[Jack]

One is acquitted of all sin at death. All those get resurrected and given a 2nd chance in Gods kingdom on earth. The world was warned-2Thess 2:3= the great apostasy( son of peredition) would stand up in place of Jesus religion.= The religion that came out of Rome and her hundreds of branches serving a non existent trinity god created at the councils of Catholicism.

Rev 20 they will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...

 

[Jack]

Matt 6:33--Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and al these things will be added. --See its you saying no i will not do that Jesus.

And you call me a liar? Such irony!

 

[Keiw]

John 12:10-11
10 But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also, 11 because on account of him MANY of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus.

Yes. left the Jewish religion whom Jesus assured were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:38) because they were misleading all following them to not enter Gods kingdom.( 23:13)--Sad you have no clue as to what Jesus teaches=trinity darkness.

 

[Keiw]

Rev 20 the will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...

Your sadist God=satan. My God=Love.

 

[Keiw]

And you call me a liar? Such irony!

There hasn't been a single day in your life your heart told your mind to seek Jehovah's righteousness first. A true followers heart does it 24/7-365

 

[Jack]

Yes. left the Jewish religion whom Jesus assured were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:38) because they were misleading all following them to not enter Gods kingdom.( 23:13)--Sad you have no clue as to what Jesus teaches=trinity darkness.

MANY Jews believed in Jesus so STOP condemning them.

 

[Jack]

Your sadist God=satan. My God=Love.

Jesus is my God. Even your JW bible says so.

 

[Jack]

There hasn't been a single day in your life your heart told your mind to seek Jehovah's righteousness first.

True, it told me to seek Jesus the only Savior, God in the flesh!

A true followers heart does it 24/7-365

Then you need to start following Jesus, God of the Bible!

 

[PS95]

One is acquitted of all sin at death. All those get resurrected and given a 2nd chance in Gods kingdom on earth. The world was warned-2Thess 2:3= the great apostasy( son of peredition) would stand up in place of Jesus religion.= The religion that came out of Rome and her hundreds of branches serving a non existent trinity god created at the councils of Catholicism.

No Kiew, YOUR death doesn't pay for your sins! That's not what that means.

 

[Berean]

You can easily google it for self and be like the Bereans and make sure of all things as God told you to do.

Well, I can't "make sure of all things" if you won't tell me who they are.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

One is acquitted of all sin at death. All those get resurrected and given a 2nd chance in Gods kingdom on earth. The world was warned-2Thess 2:3= the great apostasy( son of peredition) would stand up in place of Jesus religion.= The religion that came out of Rome and her hundreds of branches serving a non existent trinity god created at the councils of Catholicism.

So, the great councils who canonized the Books of the Bible were evil and corrupt? Your position is absurd and self-defeating.

 

[face2face]

So, the great councils who canonized the Books of the Bible were evil and corrupt? Your position is absurd and self-defeating.

Just for a moment let that rest on you as if it were true, seriously!

Is it impossible for Gods Will to be done in such a manner?

Now in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some unto honour, and some unto dishonour.

Is God not able to use both?

F2F

 

[Jack]

So, the great councils who canonized the Books of the Bible were evil and corrupt? Your position is absurd and self-defeating.

I don't know about "great" but I know every English Bible I've read teaches JW's don't have a clue. They even attack their own NWT bible.

 

[Marymog]

OK…..let’s see if you can answer the following questions from scripture MM….?

Find me a single mention of liturgy, a pope, adoration of Mary, an immaculate conception, the use of images in worship, an earthly priesthood, saints dictated by church criteria, distinctive garments denoting an office of service, repetitive prayers, absolution by a priest, holy water, the use of incense, monasticism, vows of silence, and heaven or a hell of eternal damnation, as opposite destinations for all souls....please, I invite you to give it your best shot. But please just Scripture.

Hey Jane,

The Church, my church, adheres to this part of Scripture also: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. You or your denomination rejects traditions taught by "word". Why?

You can find the answers to all your questions here: Catholic Faith, Beliefs, & Prayers | Catholic Answers

With that said, if The Catholic Church didn't have "liturgy, a pope, adoration of Mary, an immaculate conception, the use of images in worship, an earthly priesthood, saints dictated by church criteria, distinctive garments denoting an office of service, repetitive prayers, absolution by a priest, holy water, the use of incense, monasticism, vows of silence, and heaven or a hell of eternal damnation, as opposite destinations for all souls", would you join it?

 

[Marymog]

What is the background to these ones who became known as the early church fathers…?

Hey Jane,

Seems you don't care for the teachings of the ECF's. How about the Apostolic Fathers? The ones who were students of the Apostles. Do you care for their teachings?

 

[Marymog]

What is the background to these ones who became known as the early church fathers…?

A little research reveals a lot….

Lol...A little research reveals a lot?????????

You quoted your JW website. You didn't do any research. You adhere to the teachings of your JW church fathers but ignore historical church fathers. Why?

 

[Marymog]

Neither Russell nor his companions ever claimed to be prophets…..they were just men of God who wanted to do what Jesus did when he tried to find those “lost sheep” who were not blinded by their religious leaders. The truth would “set them free”, ridding them of the shackles placed on all who engage in mindless performance of rituals, rather than studying God’s word for themselves. Being spoon fed lies goes so far back….
The truth is very inconvenient when it completely contradicts everything you have been taught to believe…..so we understand your reticence.…and even your anger and sarcasm.

Hey Jane,

Do you believe that Russell and your other JW founders/leaders had a divine purpose made known to them? Do you believe that Russell and your other JW founders/leaders are spokesmen for God by not only conveying predictions but also Jehovah’s teachings, commands, and judgments?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Jesus never gave power for Christians to exercise over one another....those who took the lead needed to be spiritually qualified, but in positions of service, not power.

Well, you have your bible and then there is what The Bible says. Jesus LITERALLY gave power for Christians to exercise over one another. Jesus said to the Apostles, He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” When did that power of authority end Jane?

Scripture LITERALLY gave power for Christians to exercise over one another.

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls,

 

[Marymog]

Let’s see… if Jesus and his apostles declared that an apostasy would come and derail Christianity, then that derailment had to have a beginning because Christ and his apostles did not teach things that were not true.

What does the history of the church reveal? If the beginnings of this apostasy were seen and acknowledged by the apostles in their day, and recorded as part of scripture, what does that indicate about the time frame for this “falling away” to occur? If it began with “the church fathers” and their disciples, (none of whom wrote a word of scripture)….then does it not stand to reason that history repeats because the devil has no new tactics? The old ones still work so well for mortal humans with poor memories. He has time to implement things in a timeframe that time limited humans do not possess.

Since Jesus indicated in his parable that he planted “wheat”, whilst his enemy planted “weeds”, what are we to take from that as well? Were the wheat going to disappear once the field was overgrown with weeds? No! There have always been wheat-like Christians all through history…the martyrs and the so called heretics who gave their lives for the unpopular truth that was falsely presented as heresy. The weeds may have seemed to prevail, but they did not stamp out the truth altogether…..groups of dissenters to the Catholic church have been seen throughout history….and persecuted because they would not accept the church’s distorted view of the Bible.…and they rejected the papacy as fraudulent and unscriptural.

It was Daniel who foretold that only at the “time of the end” would God reveal the truth in an abundance of knowledge that would only come to light at that time (Dan 12:4, 9-10)….a time when he would “cleanse, whiten and refine” his worshippers…..these are not quick fixes, but processes that require time and effort. In the latter parts of the 19th century, a spiritual stirring was taking place as it was foretold, and the beginning of those three processes began in earnest. It was dubbed “the great awakening”….but it did not escape the devil’s notice….true to form he separated these groups and led them in different directions, all with believable scenarios that led people to question the whole divided “church” system, and to follow them instead.

So who was God really guiding at this historical juncture? It would be the ones teaching what the Bible said was truth and following up with the assignment that Jesus gave to his disciples…the very thing he taught them when he was present with them…..this was to continue till the “end of the age” and Jesus promised that he would back them up in this work. (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 10:11-14)

Obviously this work required biblical knowledge and the courage of their convictions, as it was to be done under persecution and hatred, (John 15:18-21) which the “heretics” had undergone down through the ages. The closer we got to “the end” the more intense the persecution would become, though not as much in outright physical persecution, but more as a result of intellectual persecution, which was the result of the new “religion” of science, ushered in, at the dawn of the 20th century.. The devil had a new trick but one that operated on a familiar premise…..science established itself as superior to religion because it had proof of its claims to demonstrate its superiority over faith which does not require proof.

And here we are….

According to your JW men heretical teachings and apostacy started in Christianity with the Apostolic Fathers and ended with Charles Taze Russell in the year 1870. Which means the men who were students of the Apostles were heretics but 1800 years later Russel and his minions weren't heretics.... because THEY said they aren't heretics.

Do you really not understand how ridiculous and illogical that sounds?

 

[Marymog]

Not while the apostles were still alive…..they were the “go to“ for ending all disputes including the circumcision debate. Once settled, it was not raised again. It didn’t take years to settle…it was dealt with promptly….and I see no indication that there were still dissenters after their reply to the issue.

Spirited debating is settled when one side is found to have the better argument and more substantive evidence…..this better argument was made by the apostles…..what happened once they were gone? We can see very clearly the descent into outright apostasy…..and continued to descend thereafter…for years.

Oh goodness dear Jane. Do you really not realize what you say when you say it?

You say as long as the Apostles were alive there was no apostasy and that once the Apostles were gone that there was a "descent into outright apostasy". That theory suggest that the Church that Christ started no longer had anyone teaching the Truth. Your theory is bankrupt on many levels.

Christ taught the Apostles the Truth. The Apostles taught MANY more men the Truth. Those men were still alive when the Apostles died. They carried on that Truth. Those men then taught other men the Truth and so on and so on and so on.....It's called Apostolic Succession. Do you believe that your JW men are part of that Apostolic Succession?

Your theory, or what your men have taught you, is that the Truth died with the last Apostle and no one had any authority to decide the Truth of Christs teachings after the Apostle John died. Well, that is until your man Russell and his minions came along 1,800 years later. THEN the truth started to be taught again. Well, at least THEIR truth was being taught.

Can you REALLY not see how your theory makes ZERO sense? Post #547 by @BreadOfLife further destroys your theory. I apologize. I shouldn't say "your theory". I should way it destroys what your men have falsely taught you.