Did evil exist at the time of Genesis 3:5?

[TonyChanYT]

Satan, Lucifer, a serpent, a dragon, they are all the same.

Check out Lucifer = Satan?

 

[Kabone]

Go ahead and post your arguments there.

I’m not out to change the world or anything. I’m just looking for better understanding.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

God created everything good back in Gen 1. Now, God used the serpent to test Eve.

I disagree. i do not believe God used the serpent to test eve, i believe he allowed Satan to use the serpent to test eve. That is a huge difference. When God tests someone it is for the greater good. When God allows Satan to test someone it is based on following Gods principals. Someone can fail Satan's test, but when God tests someone it is someone who will not fail His test.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I’m not out to change the world or anything. I’m just looking for better understanding.

All things in creation are balanced in equal opposite realities, many of which we take for granted in our everyday life such as…up..down, in…out, forward….backward, with…without, humility....pride, lies…truth.
And so it is is with good and evil….polar opposites. But the difference with this one is the propensity for evil to cause much pain, suffering and hardship to sentient creatures, so God withheld that one for our benefit, not his. But free will was only free within the parameters that God set…..this fell outside of those parameters….and the repercussions were to last for all generations as a consequence of a disobedience that was chosen first by a rebel spirit, whose agenda is made clear at the beginning.

We see this addressed in Ezekiel where he was instructed to send a dirge to the king of Tyre…..(Ezekiel 28:11-17)….this however is a thinly disguised description of satan’s rebellion because he is described as a “covering cherub in the garden of Eden” and the vain things that were responsible for his own defection. He wanted worship and the only way he could fulfill his desire was to separate these new humans from the Creator so that he could do with them as he pleased. Satan even tried to get Jesus to worship him. (Luke 4:5-8)

Why did God want to keep the “knowledge of good and evil” under his own jurisdiction, not allowing the humans to decide what was good and bad for themselves?

He gave all his children, in heaven and on earth, free will, which had a propensity for abuse. This is why none of his creatures were created immortal like he was. If they chose to abuse their free will, there had to be a way to punish them, as was demonstrated with the penalty attached to eating the forbidden fruit. If they ate, then this was a crime against God’s Sovereign right to dictate the terms of the freedom he gave them.…and it carried the death penalty……
Free will never was “free” in the sense of “do as you please”….there were parameters within which free will could be exercised, and these parameters caused no hardship whatsoever. The life set before them would have been wonderful.

The tree represented God’s Sovereignty and the death they would experience was the opposite of the life they were given. Adam was told….
“In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Gen 3:19)

Did God lie when he told them that “in the day” they ate from that tree that they would die? That’s what the devil disputed when he said….”you surely will not die”….

2 Peter 3:8 says…”do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.”
So if a thousand years is just like a day to God, how long did humans live after the fall?

Consulting the genealogies provided in the Bible, no one reached 1000 years. The closest anyone got to 1000 years of age was Methuselah, who attained an age of 969. (Gen 5)
So, in God’s counting of time, the humans died within that “day”…..no one lived even a full “day”.

 

[Kabone]

All things in creation are balanced in equal opposite realities, many of which we take for granted in our everyday life such as…up..down, in…out, forward….backward, with…without, humility....pride, lies…truth.
And so it is is with good and evil….polar opposites. But the difference with this one is the propensity for evil to cause much pain, suffering and hardship to sentient creatures, so God withheld that one for our benefit, not his. But free will was only free within the parameters that God set…..this fell outside of those parameters….and the repercussions were to last for all generations as a consequence of a disobedience that was chosen first by a rebel spirit, whose agenda is made clear at the beginning.

We see this addressed in Ezekiel where he was instructed to send a dirge to the king of Tyre…..(Ezekiel 28:11-17)….this however is a thinly disguised description of satan’s rebellion because he is described as a “covering cherub in the garden of Eden” and the vain things that were responsible for his own defection. He wanted worship and the only way he could fulfill his desire was to separate these new humans from the Creator so that he could do with them as he pleased. Satan even tried to get Jesus to worship him. (Luke 4:5-8)

Why did God want to keep the “knowledge of good and evil” under his own jurisdiction, not allowing the humans to decide what was good and bad for themselves?

He gave all his children, in heaven and on earth, free will, which had a propensity for abuse. This is why none of his creatures were created immortal like he was. If they chose to abuse their free will, there had to be a way to punish them, as was demonstrated with the penalty attached to eating the forbidden fruit. If they ate, then this was a crime against God’s Sovereign right to dictate the terms of the freedom he gave them.…and it carried the death penalty……
Free will never was “free” in the sense of “do as you please”….there were parameters within which free will could be exercised, and these parameters caused no hardship whatsoever. The life set before them would have been wonderful.

The tree represented God’s Sovereignty and the death they would experience was the opposite of the life they were given. Adam was told….
“In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Gen 3:19)

Did God lie when he told them that “in the day” they ate from that tree that they would die? That’s what the devil disputed when he said….”you surely will not die”….

2 Peter 3:8 says…”do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.”
So if a thousand years is just like a day to God, how long did humans live after the fall?

Consulting the genealogies provided in the Bible, no one reached 1000 years. The closest anyone got to 1000 years of age was Methuselah, who attained an age of 969. (Gen 5)
So, in God’s counting of time, the humans died within that “day”…..no one lived even a full “day”.

He called when the sun was up day. He created everything in 6 days , rested on the 7th. He told us not to work on the 7th day and instead keep it holy.
Wasn’t that Peter verse part of the lesson that one day god will come? That day could be tomorrow, it could be in a thousand years; to god it’s the same either way. It’s like he’s describing god’s patience more than anything.
I struggle accepting that all of genesis is literal except that one statement. In genesis 6 he decides to put a cap of 120 years on human life. That’s 43,800 days; or is it 43,800,000 years?