Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

[Berean]

First, of the five men who comprised the translation committee (New World Translation)–Nathan Knorr, Fred Franz, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, and Milton Henschel–Franz is the only one who had any knowledge at all of the biblical languages. Franz studied Greek for only two years (not biblical Greek, though), and he was allegedly self-taught in Hebrew. The other four men completely lack any credentials that would qualify them as competent biblical scholars.

They now have a NEW, New World Translation, that has been revised, no telling who their scholars were for the new edition.

Reputable Catholic and Protestant biblical scholars alike reject the NWT as being biased, unreliable, and unscholarly. People who open their doors to the JWs ought to be warned that the NWT is not a safe or reliable translation of God’s Word.

I think it's safe to say that most translations are biased, based on the translator's beliefs and religious upbringing

 

[Berean]

The Hebrew scholars say that statement in their Hebrew written ot translates-I will be what i will be. Trinity misleading put -i am that i am. Thats who you listen to over the facts.

What Hebrew scholars? Can you list them with references?

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Of course the great apostasy( Catholicism, protestants) rejects Gods true inspired word. They are a house divided they will not stand. There is no division in Jesus' 1 true religion(1 Cor 1:10) Their own translations expose them as false religionsssssssssssssssssssss.
To tell truth would expose them even more. They would lose billions of dollars per year by saying truth, and be sued by 2 billion humans for taking their money when they know 100% the word is not called capitol G God in the Greek lexicons.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses organization is a registered charity, which means they pay no income tax. Of the 86,000 registered charities in Canada, they rank 18th with more than $80 million in donations in 2016.

Charity Intelligence, an agency that monitors charities for Canadian donors, gives the group a D-grade because they do not provide details on how donations are spent.

“Jehovah’s Witnesses have a one star rating out of five stars. That should be a red flag to donors. That should be red flag to government.”

9 things you likely didn't know about Jehovah's Witnesses

Along with our main investigation, W5 has also prepared an interactive and below, some facts about the religion that you might not know.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

What Hebrew scholars? Can you list them with references?

Jehovah's Witlesses can find Hebrew scholars in a box of cereal.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nope, not true, try again.

"Nope"??
That's your response??

A thousand denials do not amount to a substantial defense.

 

[Jack]

Jehovah's Witlesses can find Hebrew scholars in a box of cereal.

Anyone who agrees with the Governing Body is a 'scholar' according to JW's!

 

[Berean]

"Nope"??
That's your response??

A thousand denials do not amount to a substantial defense.

Yep ... where's your proof? Give me a reference, chapter, page number. Simply saying it doesn't make it true. So you made the claim, not back it up, is all I am saying.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yep ... where's your proof? Give me a reference, chapter, page number. Simply saying it doesn't make it true. So you made the claim, not back it up, is all I am saying.

Here you go . . .

- In 1929, the start of the "Last Days" was changed from 1799 to 1914 and the change of "Christ's Presence" from 1874 to 1914 was first indicated in 1930.
"Question and Answer". The Golden Age. Watch Tower Society. April 30, 1930. pp. 503–504.

- The judgment of "Babylon the Great" was changed from 1878 to 1919 with the publication of the book Light in 1930.
J.F. Rutherford. (1930). Light. Vol. 1. Watch Tower Society. pp. 318–319.

- The teaching that the "great tribulation" had begun in 1914 and was "cut short" in 1918—to be resumed at Armageddon—was discarded in 1969.
"Rich Blessings Poured Out at "Peace on Earth" International Assemblies". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. September 1, 1969. p. 521.

- Christ's Second Advent was newly explained as a "turning of attention" to the earth, with Christ remaining in heaven—a departure from the earlier teaching of a literal return to earth.
Tony Wills (2007). A People For His Name: A History of Jehovah's Witnesses and an Evaluation. Lulu.com. p. 147. ISBN 978-1-4303-0100-4.

- In the mid-1930s and early 1940s, Watch Tower Society publications placed emphasis on the imminence of Armageddon, said to be "months" away.
Universal War Near. Watch Tower Society. 1935.
"Theocratic Assembly at St. Louis". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. 15 September 1941. p. 288.

- They claimed that Armageddon was "immediately before us."
"Micah—Part 8". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. May 1, 1942. p. 139.

- Publications urged converts to remain single and childless because it was "immediately before Armageddon."
"Fill the Earth". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. November 1, 1938. p. 323.
J.F. Rutherford (1938). Face The Facts. Watch Tower Society. p. 46. Archived from the original on July 25, 2008. Retrieved October 29, 2007.

 

[Jack]

The WatchTower edited out some of the most important parts of their 1970 NWT about Jesus! VERY deceptive!

 

[Berean]

Here you go . . .

- In 1929, the start of the "Last Days" was changed from 1799 to 1914 and the change of "Christ's Presence" from 1874 to 1914 was first indicated in 1930.
"Question and Answer". The Golden Age. Watch Tower Society. April 30, 1930. pp. 503–504.

- The judgment of "Babylon the Great" was changed from 1878 to 1919 with the publication of the book Light in 1930.
J.F. Rutherford. (1930). Light. Vol. 1. Watch Tower Society. pp. 318–319.

- The teaching that the "great tribulation" had begun in 1914 and was "cut short" in 1918—to be resumed at Armageddon—was discarded in 1969.
"Rich Blessings Poured Out at "Peace on Earth" International Assemblies". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. September 1, 1969. p. 521.

- Christ's Second Advent was newly explained as a "turning of attention" to the earth, with Christ remaining in heaven—a departure from the earlier teaching of a literal return to earth.
Tony Wills (2007). A People For His Name: A History of Jehovah's Witnesses and an Evaluation. Lulu.com. p. 147. ISBN 978-1-4303-0100-4.

- In the mid-1930s and early 1940s, Watch Tower Society publications placed emphasis on the imminence of Armageddon, said to be "months" away.
Universal War Near. Watch Tower Society. 1935.
"Theocratic Assembly at St. Louis". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. 15 September 1941. p. 288.

- They claimed that Armageddon was "immediately before us."
"Micah—Part 8". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. May 1, 1942. p. 139.

- Publications urged converts to remain single and childless because it was "immediately before Armageddon."
"Fill the Earth". The Watchtower. Watch Tower Society. November 1, 1938. p. 323.
J.F. Rutherford (1938). Face The Facts. Watch Tower Society. p. 46. Archived from the original on July 25, 2008. Retrieved October 29, 2007.

And not one quote from C.T. Russell. These are all Post Russell quotes, show me where Russell said it.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

And not one quote from C.T. Russell. These are all Post Russell quotes, show me where Russell said it.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses are a sect founded in 1879 by Charles Taze Russell, a Pittsburgh draper. Russell was born in 1852 of Scottish and Irish descent. He became an earnest worker in the Congregational Church. At the age of seventeen he tried to convert an atheist but lost his own faith. He had been obsessed by the thought of the horror of hell. Even as an atheist he could not leave the Bible alone. Aged twenty, he began preaching “the good news” with “no hell.” He assumed the title “Pastor Russell” in 1879 when he was founding his new religion.

Charles Taze Russell​

Russell was not a Scripture scholar, learned in the Greek language. Under oath in court at Hamilton, Ontario, Canada in 1913 he declared in support of his claims to be an expert Scripture scholar that he knew Greek. Handed a Greek New Testament, he was forced to admit that he did not know even the Greek alphabet. Neither did he know Latin or Hebrew. He wrote on the Bible, but every acknowledged Scripture scholar in the universities of the world today will agree that Russell’s explanations are for the most part quite contrary to the obvious meaning of the words of the Bible. Russell was never a scholar in the accepted sense of the word.

Nor did Russell lead a saintly life such as we might expect of the founder of a religious sect. His followers write: “Russell must have had a rare capacity for business. Before he was thirty years old he had expanded his father’s clothing store in Alleghany, Pennsylvania and rapidly established four more. By the time he was thirty he had sold out the chain for 250,000 dollars, which in the 1880s was equivalent to more than a million dollars today” (Marley Cole, Jehovah’s Witnesses, 73). He was an expert, too, at making money by investments in mines and real estate, and by selling his books. He sold what he called “miracle wheat” at sixty dollars a bushel to credulous farmers, the fraud being eventually stopped by the federal authorities, who made him refund the money (Leslie Rumble, Radio Replies, 2:1,352).

In 1911 the Brooklyn Daily Eagle published a caricature of Russell and beneath it this question: “If Pastor Russell can get a dollar a pound for miracle wheat, what could he have got for miracle stocks and bonds as a director in the old Union Bank?” Russell sued the Eagle for libel. The Eagle won the case.

Russell had begun by preaching the “Millennial Dawn.” His followers then became known as “Millennial Dawnists.” Soon Russell adopted the title “Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society.” In 1896 this was changed to “Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.” For a time he thought the “People’s Pulpit Association” sounded better. In 1914 the name became “International Bible Students’ Association.” Russell died in 1916.

“Judge” Rutherford​

After Russell’s death he was succeeded as head of the sect by a man named Joseph Franklin Rutherford, who called himself “Judge” although he had never held an official appointment as such.


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[The Learner]

We're talking about Russell, not the JW's. This is a JW book.

This is not a prediction, this is chronology. He isn't saying "THE millennium" started in 1872. but that "Bible Chronology points to October 1872 as the beginning of the seventh thousand years, or Millennium."


That book was written by J.F. Rutherford


Yes, in his last edition before he died he changed it to 1915.

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915."​

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That of course did not pan out the way he believed. In the 1916 FOREWORDS, his last edition, he would write on pages iii and iv

This Volume sets forth, what its author has been preaching for over forty years, that the "Times of the Gentiles" chronologically ended in the fall of A.D. 1914. The expression, "Times of the Gentiles," in Bible usage signifies the years, or period of time, in which the Gentile nations of the world were to be permitted to have control, following the taking away of the typical kingdom from natural Israel, and filling the hiatus between that event and the establishment of God's Kingdom in the hands of Messiah – "whose right it is." Ezekiel 21:27​

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We could not, of course, know in 1889, whether the date 1914, so clearly marked in the Bible as the end of the Gentile lease of power or permission to rule the world, would mean that they would be fully out of power at that time, or whether, their lease expiring, their eviction would begin. The latter we perceive to be the Lord's program; and promptly in August, 1914, the Gentile kingdoms referred to in the prophecy began the present great struggle, which, according to the Bible, will culminate in the complete overthrow of all human government, opening the way for the full establishment of the Kingdom of God's dear Son.​

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We are not able to see behind the veil; we are not able to know the things progressing under the direction of our glorious Lord and the members of His Church already glorified. Our thought is that somehow the Lord is taking a hand in the affairs of the world now as He did not do in times past.​

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Now notice what he states below:

The author acknowledges that in this book he presents the thought that the Lord's saints might expect to be with Him in glory at the ending of the Gentile Times. This was a natural mistake to fall into, but the Lord overruled it for the blessing of His people. The thought that the Church would all be gathered to glory before October, 1914, certainly did have a very stimulating and sanctifying effect upon thousands, all of whom accordingly can praise the Lord – even for the mistake. Many, indeed, can express themselves as being thankful to the Lord that the culmination of the Church's hopes was not reached at the time we expected; and that we, as the Lord's people, have further opportunities of perfecting holiness and of being participators with our Master in the further presentation of His Message to His people.​

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Our mistake was evidently not in respect to the ending of the Times of the Gentiles; we drew a false conclusion, however, not authorized by the Word of the Lord. We saw in the Bible certain parallels between the Jewish Age and the Gospel Age. We should have noted that these parallels follow the nominal systems to destruction in both cases, and do not indicate the time of the glorification of the New Creation.​

He doesn't deny he said it, or try to weasel his way out of it. He admits to it, unlike the Society of today who deny they said something and or blame it on some over zealous Witnesses



That was a Witness publication, not Russell's.

This was not written by Russell despite its claims that it was. The Revelation portion was written by Clayton Woodworth.



Rutherford wrote Millions.

Russell had nothing to do with Beth Sarim, that was Rutherford.

Again, don't confuse Russell with the Witnesses.

It's always good to go straight to the source, instead of what some website states. I always go to the actual source, I need to prove it to myself before I tell someone, "they said this and that"

Thy Kingdom Come by Charles Taze Russell : Charles Taze Russell : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Thy Kingdom Come, by Charles Taze Russell. Volume 3 of Millennial Dawn. First published in 1891 by the Watch Tower Society. The series was later re-titled...

archive.org

Amazon.com

Was written by russell, it may have been printed by International Bible Students.

 

[Berean]

The Jehovah’s Witnesses organization is a registered charity, which means they pay no income tax. Of the 86,000 registered charities in Canada, they rank 18th with more than $80 million in donations in 2016.

Charity Intelligence, an agency that monitors charities for Canadian donors, gives the group a D-grade because they do not provide details on how donations are spent.

Most organized churches pay no taxes, the Catholic church probably has the most. Are non-profits supposed to provide details on how they spend their donations?

 

[Berean]

The Jehovah’s Witnesses are a sect founded in 1879 by Charles Taze Russell, a Pittsburgh draper.

No the Jehovah's Witnesses are a sect founded by J.F. Rutherford in 1931. C.T. Russell founded the Bible Students, which still exist today, separate from the JW's, of which I am one.

 

[Berean]

Thy Kingdom Come by Charles Taze Russell : Charles Taze Russell : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Thy Kingdom Come, by Charles Taze Russell. Volume 3 of Millennial Dawn. First published in 1891 by the Watch Tower Society. The series was later re-titled...

archive.org

Amazon.com

Was written by russell, it may have been printed by International Bible Students.

Yes, and I responded to that

 

[Keiw]

JW's HATE their own NWT bible! I think they qualify for the everlasting fire!

You are a liar Jack.

 

[Keiw]

And nobody got enlightened until 1850.

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Truth wasn't needed until the last days. All those prior died and paid in full the wages of sin. Those who live to see the tribulation and Armageddon must be worshipping the Father in spirit and TRUTH( John 4:22-24) thus truth came back in these last days. All who aren't doing John 4:22-24 will perish at Armageddon.
They could however prior to these last days see clearly the standards God required of one in many ways. But all the religions were false until Jesus' 1 religion came back here in these last days and corrected 1750 years of errors.

 

[Keiw]

Nice deflection, why not answer the charges Keiw?

What charges are they?

 

[Keiw]

So we should trust the people who missed Jesus as their Messiah and still don’t believe in him to give us the best interpretation of scripture?

They know their language better than any trinitarian does.

 

[Keiw]

What Hebrew scholars? Can you list them with references?

You can easily google it for self and be like the Bereans and make sure of all things as God told you to do.