Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[dad]

JESUS who is the Way, the Truth and the Life NEVER lies.

Please extrapolate your statement which i highlighted in green - Thank You

Since we will not be here in that wrath of God, He did not lie when He said that nothing would prevail over the church.

 

[dad]

" our lamps have gone out"
Next.

The unsaved had no oil so of course their lamps would go out. Try lighting a lamp with no oil as see. It can be done, but won't last long! Another thing about unlit lamps is that they look the same whether there is oil in them or not! Just light them and you soon find out.

 

[Jay Ross]

In terms of years, how long are you claiming the time/times/half time of Daniel 12:7 is ?

I believe that I have answered this already in terms of three and a half ages.

whereas Daniel 12:7 is a long time period that spans from the time of Daniel at the three and a half age mark, from the time of Adam's creation, until the end of the Age of the Ages, and spans three and a half ages when all of the wonders that Daniel had been shown would be completed.

I can guess, to satisfy your curiosity, that is around some 3,584 years, give or take a couple, depending on when the time period started and ended.

I am not taking your bait, Jay. Address the topic(s), not the other posters.

Douggg, it seems to me that you are addressing the other posters with this above comment. Particularly when you edit your posts and quotes in a way to suggest that I have not answered the question on the time span.

Remembers God tended to talk in ages when exceedingly long time periods was the focus of a particular prophecy. When the time period was relatively short, years were indicated, but then I am not taking you bait Douggg.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

I can guess, to satisfy your curiosity, that is around some 3,584 years, give or take a couple, depending on when the time period started and ended.

So you are claim the time/times/half time of Daniel 12:7 is 3584 years, thereabouts. And not three and a half years, roughly.

Even though Daniel 12:7 is bracketed by both Daniel 12:4 and Daniel 12:9 as being time of the end.

And Daniel 12 is the presentation by the angel visiting Daniel in Daniel 10:14 as saying...

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

 

[ewq1938]

Here is the last verse of Revelation 12.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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Revelation 12:17 takes place during the time, times, half time that Satan will have left. i.e. the latter part of the 7 years. The great tribulation will have already have begun before then, triggered by the AoD setup, as the great tribulation begins 1335 days before Jesus's return..

The trib does not start until Rev 13. All of Rev 12 is before the trib starts, many years before. No part of Rev 12 is the 7th trump/3rd woe.

 

[Douggg]

The trib does not start until Rev 13. All of Rev 12 is before the trib starts, many years before. No part of Rev 12 is the 7th trump/3rd woe.

You can't go by chapter number, but by the information given in each chapter.

The way to organize timeframes given in bible prophecy, whether in Revelation or Daniel or Ezekiel, is connect to either the beginning of the 7 years (Daniel 9:27). Or to the ending of the 7 years. Only three timeframes (down at the bottom of the table), don't connect to either the beginning or ending.

 

[ewq1938]

You can't go by chapter number, but by the information given in each chapter.

We do both and we are all right to do so. The fact remains that you see the 7th trump in Rev 12 but that is wrong. Rev 12 are only events that happen prior to the GT/6th trump, which would be the war mentioned in the last verse and seen in action in the next verse.

 

[Douggg]

We do both and we are all right to do so. The fact remains that you see the 7th trump in Rev 12 but that is wrong. Rev 12 are only events that happen prior to the GT/6th trump, which would be the war mentioned in the last verse and seen in action in the next verse.

Try doing an organizational table of your own, pencil and paper. Left side the beginning of the seven years. Right side the end of the seven years, the day of Jesus's return.

I listed all the timeframes. In particular, put the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 where it fits. And the great tribulation period, triggered by the AoD setup, where it fits.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The unsaved had no oil so of course their lamps would go out. Try lighting a lamp with no oil as see. It can be done, but won't last long! Another thing about unlit lamps is that they look the same whether there is oil in them or not! Just light them and you soon find out.

Their car ran out of gas.
You; "of course it did, try starting a car with no gas, that means it never had any gas"

The parable states EMPHATICALLY, that the foolish had oil, but it ran out.
I understand your need for the foolish to be unbelievers.
Your need for them to never have had the Holy Spirit.
But changing the parable to suit your doctrine, tells us you are way off.
If you torture your Bible, you can make it say most anything.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You can't go by chapter number, but by the information given in each chapter.

The way to organize timeframes given in bible prophecy, whether in Revelation or Daniel or Ezekiel, is connect to either the beginning of the 7 years (Daniel 9:27). Or to the ending of the 7 years. Only three timeframes (down at the bottom of the table), don't connect to either the beginning or ending.


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Both the 144k and the main harvest Jews are gathered mid trib at rev 14., or prewrath, at the halfway point of the gt.
The rapture is pretrib.
Mat 24;31 is the second coming on horses.
We know this because the gathering is in heaven, not earth, and angels are doing the gathering .

 

[David in NJ]

Their car ran out of gas.
You; "of course it did, try starting a car with no gas, that means it never had any gas"

The parable states EMPHATICALLY, that the foolish had oil, but it ran out.
I understand your need for the foolish to be unbelievers.
Your need for them to never have had the Holy Spirit.
But changing the parable to suit your doctrine, tells us you are way off.
If you torture your Bible, you can make it say most anything.

JESUS said to the 5 foolish: "I do not know you" = "You are not part of My Body"

 

[IndianaRob]

JESUS said to the 5 foolish: "I do not know you" = "You are not part of My Body"

Your part of the body right? Has your lamp led you into the marriage supper yet?

 

[David in NJ]

Your part of the body right? Has your lamp led you into the marriage supper yet?

YES it has - but do you know where in scripture it verifies this?

 

[IndianaRob]

YES it has - but do you know where in scripture it verifies this?

No, tell me.

 

[David in NJ]

No, tell me.

Have you opened your eyes to the LIGHT that speaks LIGHT into the darkness and the darkness cannot overpower it?

EXAMPLE: 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night(DARKNESS).
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.
And they shall not escape.
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

 

[IndianaRob]

Have you opened your eyes to the LIGHT that speaks LIGHT into the darkness and the darkness cannot overpower it?

EXAMPLE: 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night(DARKNESS).
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.
And they shall not escape.
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

Hmmm. Just as I thought. You still haven’t made it into the super.

 

[Douggg]

Mat 24;31 is the second coming on horses.
We know this because the gathering is in heaven, not earth, and angels are doing the gathering

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The underlined phrase is talking about from all nations, all around the world. "from one end of heaven to the other" is talking about where the atmosphere (heaven, the sky) meets the horizon, north, south, east, and west..

The verse is talking about a promise God made to the children of Israel, when they got in right standing with Him again, in Deuteronomy 30:2-6. The verse is talking about bringing all the Jews out of the nations to the land of Israel.

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

 

[David in NJ]

Hmmm. Just as I thought. You still haven’t made it into the super.

Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ”

 

[IndianaRob]

Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ”

See if you understand this David.

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
We are members of his body, the new man has been created.

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
One flesh is the baby created between the union of a man and a woman.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The analogy was about Christ and the believer.

Do you see it David? If we have entered into the marriage supper of the lamb then we have become married to Christ and that union has created the new man in us.

If you haven’t ALREADY done this then your lamp is not full.

 

[David in NJ]

See if you understand this David.

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
We are members of his body, the new man has been created.

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
One flesh is the baby created between the union of a man and a woman.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
The analogy was about Christ and the believer.

Do you see it David? If we have entered into the marriage supper of the lamb then we have become married to Christ and that union has created the new man in us.

If you haven’t ALREADY done this then your lamp is not full.

Why would you even assume that i do not see and know and am KNOWN by???

Are you OK today?