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Your view of predestination, the elect, were saved from before the foundation of the world. If certain people, the elect, are saved. what are they saved from?
Balaam talked with God and we see the evil he went into, so anyone can fall into the devils traps he has set, look at all those saying they speak in tongues and dishonor God with their words and actions.
(Colossians 2:6–23) 1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. 4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.a One in Christ (Philippians 2:1–4) 11Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace 16and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Christ Our Cornerstone (Isaiah 28:14–22; 1 Corinthians 3:10–15; 1 Peter 2:1–8) 19Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord.22And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit. |
Thank you for sharing your negative opinion of me for all to see. Do you feel better now?
What saved means? In terms of Spiritual Salvation?
Yes, I believe all that...for me , i became Born Again, having never read a Bible...so, the Spirit has brought me to understand all that you posted.
Entering His Kingdom through baptism, which is being born of water and the Spirit, John 3:5, does not guarantee salvation. Whether we are eventually saved, (upon one's departure from this world) depends on our faithfulness to abide by the promises we made at one's baptism. I Pet1:3-5 (through our faith(fulness)
Only if we desire to work with the Holy Spirit. Anyone is free to depart from the living God and go his own way.
No person is predestined to be saved. As believers Christ predestined that we would be conformed to His Image Rom 8:29. As believers we are His Chosen.
(You have two texts here that you are conflating. Eph 2:1-5 is addressing the work of Christ by His incarnation and resurrection. Christ made mankind alive, How? By His resurrection He made all men alive, I Cor 15:22, Rom 5:18. By the use of the preposition (with) clearly shows this as the distinction is shown in verse 8. Christ needs to defeat death before He could call all men to repentance and belief in Him.
So that those, to whom Paul is speaking could be saved THROUGH FAITH. This is the purpose why He needed to save all men from death, defeat death, redeem His world.
That’s your understanding of spirit baptism..
Sorry don’t agree. Once we have been supernaturally birthed by divine heart revelation, I can NEVER be un- birthed, just as his word says.
Disagree, I have already posted scripture, to say that we were predestined to be conformed into Jesus image.and to bear his fruit...
I am giving my Living testimony, who witnesses to my spirit that it’s Born Again..
It’s because of the death and resurrection of Jesus..that our spirit can be Born Again , then I’m reconciled back to the Spirit Of God..
It was a pattern on how God saves sinners. 1 Tim 1:15-16
You are certainly free to believe as you desire. That is the free choice we all have and each will give an account of what we did with with our lives.
I believe because my spirit is Born Again.....Spirit gave birth to my spirit 33 years ago, by supernatural divine heart revelation.....I can also NEVER stop believing, because the Living Spirit indwells my spirit “ permanently “....being conformed into Jesus image.........Good day......
Why would God speak with Cain, and try to get him to not kill Abel, if Cain was predestined to do it, anyways?
The reason why, is because God has his Preceptive Will; thou Shalt not Kill. But God also has his Permissive Will; allowing for our Agency. Because of Original Sin, God was within his Rights to punish Abel and Isaac; through Cain and Abraham. God Meant the Killing of Abel to be a Type of Jesus Christ; his blood cries out to God. Since God has the Right to have a Sinner killed, God didn’t Sin. But God 'Meant' Abel's death for Good; for the saving of many lives. The same goes for Isaac; God Meant this instance as a Type of the Crucifixion of Christ, and of Substitutionary Atonement. Again, because of Original Sin; God was within his Rights to have a Sinner like Isaac killed. But God 'Meant' this for Good, for the saving of many lives; by establishing a Typology which proves Jesus is the Christ...
