Predestinated to Salvation !

[Davy]

Many today deny that some people are predestinated to Salvation. That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

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This proves without a shadow of doubt that some have been predestinated to Salvation !

Yes, otherwise Jesus would not have said that some are 'called', but few are 'chosen'.

Apostle Paul's Message about predestination is applied a certain way by him though. It is for ALL... believers on Jesus Christ, along with a specific condition...

Those in Christ MUST remain... in the Faith, and not fall away. That's the condition.

And Paul showed that condition is required for those who can... fall away IF they so choose. He called them reprobates. (Rom.1:28; 2 Timothy 3:8; Titus 1:16).

That is why I interpret Lord Jesus when He said many are called, but few are chosen, to mean that being 'predestinated' for those 'called' can only mean they MUST remain in the Faith to the End, and do not become reprobates. Those called only still have a choice to fall away if they want, and God will NOT intervene in their lives unless they ASK Him.

But for those 'chosen', they cannot... fall away, nor become reprobate, simply because The LORD will not allow them to, and I use Jonah, Job, and even Apostle Paul himself as examples of that. For the 'chosen', God will Divinely intervene in their lives to keep them in the Faith and doing His Will. And His chosen He already knows too that they will not become reprobate, and thus trust them not to fall away (like Job).

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, otherwise Jesus would not have said that some are 'called', but few are 'chosen'.

Apostle Paul's Message about predestination is applied a certain way by him though. It is for ALL... believers on Jesus Christ, along with a specific condition...

Those in Christ MUST remain... in the Faith, and not fall away. That's the condition.

And Paul showed that condition is required for those who can... fall away IF they so choose. He called them reprobates. (Rom.1:28; 2 Timothy 3:8; Titus 1:16).

That is why I interpret Lord Jesus when He said many are called, but few are chosen, to mean that being 'predestinated' for those 'called' can only mean they MUST remain in the Faith to the End, and do not become reprobates. Those called only still have a choice to fall away if they want, and God will NOT intervene in their lives unless they ASK Him.

But for those 'chosen', they cannot... fall away, nor become reprobate, simply because The LORD will not allow them to, and I use Jonah, Job, and even Apostle Paul himself as examples of that. For the 'chosen', God will Divinely intervene in their lives to keep them in the Faith and doing His Will. And His chosen He already knows too that they will not become reprobate, and thus trust them not to fall away (like Job).

False witness

 

[Davy]

False witness

Not so.

I merely reminded those who actually have studied their Bible about God's chosen elect like Job, Jonah, and Apostle Paul, which all of them were either working against The LORD (Jonah who initially refused the duty God gave him, and Paul, or Saul, who initially was persecuting Christ's Church, or those who sought to justify themselves like Job.

Apostle Paul is actually a very special example, because he was on the road to Damascus on his way to hunt down more Christians when Jesus blinded him and spoke to him, divinely intervening with Paul's belief and put him in Christ's service. That's an example of a 'chosen' elect. And Jesus even said that Paul was His "chosen vessel" (Acts 9).

 

[brightfame52]

Not so.

I merely reminded those who actually have studied their Bible about God's chosen elect like Job, Jonah, and Apostle Paul, which all of them were either working against The LORD (Jonah who initially refused the duty God gave him, and Paul, or Saul, who initially was persecuting Christ's Church, or those who sought to justify themselves like Job.

Apostle Paul is actually a very special example, because he was on the road to Damascus on his way to hunt down more Christians when Jesus blinded him and spoke to him, divinely intervening with Paul's belief and put him in Christ's service. That's an example of a 'chosen' elect. And Jesus even said that Paul was His "chosen vessel" (Acts 9).

Pauls conversion was a pattern on The Sovereignty of God in Salvation in saving a sinner

1 Tim 1:15-16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

 

[Behold]

No one is predestined to salvation, and no one is predestined to go to hell.

Now, the believer, once they are "in Christ" are predestined to be "conformed into the image of God's Son."""

So, the way to understand this.. is that many things are predestined for the Christian, after they become one "in Christ"... first.
And to become born again, in Christ, is based on the person giving God THEIR faith, in Christ.......to God....first.
And that is free will..........its your choice.

Tulip Heads, the Hyper Calvinists, "predestine you to believe" and God does not......>He requires it, from you., because its YOUR Faith.

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

No one is predestined to salvation, and no one is predestined to go to hell.

Absolutely false

 

[Behold]

@Behold


Absolutely false

No person is predestined to believe in Jesus, and no person is predestined to go Hell, before they are born.

Now in both cases... God's Fore-Knowledge, already knows who is going to heaven and who is going to Hell.
That is "Fore-Knowledge"......not "pre-destined".

See, the Tulipheads, as created by the theology of Hyper Calvinism, .. .just like John Calvin their Idol.......cannot understand... cannont comprehend that "God's Foreknowledge" is not the same as "God predestining", and that confusion, birthed Calvinism and evolved into the doctrine of devils that is "the 5 Points" or "T.U.L.I.P'.

 

[brightfame52]

No person is predestined to believe in Jesus, and no person is predestined to go Hell, before they are born.

Now in both cases... God's Fore-Knowledge, already knows who is going to heaven and who is going to Hell.
That is "Fore-Knowledge"......not "pre-destined".

See, the Tulipheads, as created by the theology of Hyper Calvinism, .. .just like John Calvin their Idol.......cannot understand... cannont comprehend that "God's Foreknowledge" is not the same as "God predestining", and that confusion, birthed Calvinism and evolved into the doctrine of devils that is "the 5 Points" or "T.U.L.I.P'.

You speaking against Gospel Truths

 

[Rightglory]

@Behold


Absolutely false

Another blank statement. No evidence, I have not ever seen you present a cogent support for your view as yet. You string some verses together, rarely are they speaking about the same context. You change words, insert words that are not present in the text.
Take some time to build a sound, argument that you think supports your view with scripture using other scripture to corroborate your view.

 

[Aunty Jane]

False witness

Absolutely false

You speaking against Gospel Truths

Yes……unless you give solid evidence for the the things you believe, these statement are completely meaningless.
Discussions require material to discuss…..so give us your evidence and let’s see who has the better argument backed up by Scripture….this is how we learn.

 

[brightfame52]

Another blank statement. No evidence, I have not ever seen you present a cogent support for your view as yet. You string some verses together, rarely are they speaking about the same context. You change words, insert words that are not present in the text.
Take some time to build a sound, argument that you think supports your view with scripture using other scripture to corroborate your view.

It was a blanket statement with no evidence so we even

 

[brightfame52]

Yes……unless you give solid evidence for the the things you believe, these statement are completely meaningless.
Discussions require material to discuss…..so give us your evidence and let’s see who has the better argument backed up by Scripture….this is how we learn.

Ive been arguing my point since the op

 

[marks]

Many today deny that some people are predestinated to Salvation. That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

Given that God gives many universal invitations, urgings, and commands to believe and be saved, and given that God is not a man, that He should lie, clearly you are presenting a misunderstanding of these Scriptures.

Come to me, all you who are weary, and I will give you rest. Did Jesus really mean that?

That whosoever believes in Him . . . did He really mean that?

Or is it like God commanding us to swim to Hawaii?

No, God, in Jesus, proclaims Himself not only true, but that He is the truth. So, when He says that He commands men everywhere to repent, this is a real thing. And when He says, whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely, I believe He means it.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

Pauls conversion was a pattern on The Sovereignty of God in Salvation in saving a sinner

1 Tim 1:15-16

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Apostle Paul's conversion was DIRECTLY by Jesus Christ, IN PERSON. How many of us can claim that kind of conversion by Divine intervention like Apostle Paul? Anyone here that says yes to that I know they are lying.

Many of us his here may have a story of how WE.... chose to believe on Lord Jesus Christ, but He did not appear to us and FORCE us to convert like He did with Apostle Paul.

I myself have always believed in God and Jesus since I was a little child. But I wasn't baptized in Christ until I turned 40. What led me to get baptized was how I had been researching the political history of Christ's enemies with their plans towards a "New World Order", or "one world government." I then prayed and asked what was going on with that movement, what was it really about, for God to show me the Truth. I prayed to Him through Jesus to show me the Truth. I then went and got baptized. That means I am the one who ASKED Him. I CHOSE Him, He didn't choose me.

 

[soberxp]

It is my understanding that God's chosen people are those who guide people to the path of life at different times, and that God's call is for all. Because you can't let the blind lead the blind. This is what the Bible says. So it seems to me that the only difference between God's chosen and God's called is the understanding of God's word. Those who better understand the word of God become God's chosen people. These people are few. But many are called. This is not necessarily related to who gets saved in the end. God just chooses the right vessel at the right time.

 

[brightfame52]

Given that God gives many universal invitations, urgings, and commands to believe and be saved, and given that God is not a man, that He should lie, clearly you are presenting a misunderstanding of these Scriptures.

Come to me, all you who are weary, and I will give you rest. Did Jesus really mean that?

That whosoever believes in Him . . . did He really mean that?

Or is it like God commanding us to swim to Hawaii?

No, God, in Jesus, proclaims Himself not only true, but that He is the truth. So, when He says that He commands men everywhere to repent, this is a real thing. And when He says, whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely, I believe He means it.

Much love!

You reject the plain truth

 

[brightfame52]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Apostle Paul's conversion was DIRECTLY by Jesus Christ, IN PERSON. How many of us can claim that kind of conversion by Divine intervention like Apostle Paul? Anyone here that says yes to that I know they are lying.

Many of us his here may have a story of how WE.... chose to believe on Lord Jesus Christ, but He did not appear to us and FORCE us to convert like He did with Apostle Paul.

I myself have always believed in God and Jesus since I was a little child. But I wasn't baptized in Christ until I turned 40. What led me to get baptized was how I had been researching the political history of Christ's enemies with their plans towards a "New World Order", or "one world government." I then prayed and asked what was going on with that movement, what was it really about, for God to show me the Truth. I prayed to Him through Jesus to show me the Truth. I then went and got baptized. That means I am the one who ASKED Him. I CHOSE Him, He didn't choose me.

It was a pattern on how God saves sinners.

 

[Ritajanice]

Can those who are saved.explain to me what that means?..please tell me what you are saved from....and how do you know that you are saved.

Please explain what saved means...I’ve been waiting months to get my question answered?

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, we are predestined to become Born Again and yes we are predestined to be conformed into Jesus image.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

 

[Rightglory]

You reject the plain truth

So, you reject clear scriptural statements. Are you rejecting that they even are scripture? So, you believe that there is much in scripture that is not plain truth, thus we can ignore a lot of scripture?
Why are the texts that were cited rejecting plain truth?