Predestinated to Salvation !

[Rightglory]

Doesnt make it invalid

Making an irrelevant statement without evidence is just that, a nonsensical statement.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

Actually ALL.... are predestined to salvation because God foreknew ALL people that were ever be created.

He knows the end from the beginning and He is all knowing.

The claim that God decided that some people were predestined to go to hell is satanic and is something taught by one of satan's greatest servants... John Calvin.

Limited Atonement is FALSE

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

NOTE - Romans 8:29,30 is not saying all are automatically saved which would be the false doctrine of universalism, but rather is teaching us that God has in fact provided opportunity for all to be saved which is evident in the scripture references below

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)


God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Many people will agree with the statement that believers have been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ, however they do it ignorantly, cause what they fail to realize is that the predestination of them occurred before they became believers, and is why they do become Believers. Rom 8:29-30

And of course those following the false teachings of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin will claim since they are "predestined" they can live in sin and still go to Heaven

This is why so many calvinists live their lives as sinners just like their boy John Calvin who thought it was OK with the Lord to murder people for not agreeing with his false gospel!

 

[brightfame52]

Making an irrelevant statement without evidence is just that, a nonsensical statement.

Doesnt make it invalid

 

[brightfame52]

Actually ALL.... are predestined to salvation because God foreknew ALL people that were ever be created.

He knows the end from the beginning and He is all knowing.

The claim that God decided that some people were predestined to go to hell is satanic and is something taught by one of satan's greatest servants... John Calvin.

Limited Atonement is FALSE

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

NOTE - Romans 8:29,30 is not saying all are automatically saved which would be the false doctrine of universalism, but rather is teaching us that God has in fact provided opportunity for all to be saved which is evident in the scripture references below

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)


God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

False witnessing

 

[brightfame52]

And of course those following the false teachings of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin will claim since they are "predestined" they can live in sin and still go to Heaven

This is why so many calvinists live their lives as sinners just like their boy John Calvin who thought it was OK with the Lord to murder people for not agreeing with his false gospel!

Scoffing the Gospel

 

[Dan Clarkston]

False witnessing

So you have given all these scripture references the Benjamin Franklin
treatment and have cut them out of your Bible???

That's what the false teachers do... ignore scriptures that don't fit their eisegesis

Scoffing the Gospel

John Calvin's false doctrine is not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.... Calvin taught the lies of satan designed to twist the Truth of God's Word into a lie

 

[brightfame52]

So you have given all these scripture references the Benjamin Franklin
treatment and have cut them out of your Bible??? View attachment 59271

That's what the false teachers do... ignore scriptures that don't fit their eisegesis





John Calvin's false doctrine is not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.... Calvin taught the lies of satan designed to twist the Truth of God's Word into a lie

View attachment 59272

You are a scoffer

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You are a scoffer

Worship John Calvin much???

Calvin murdered people who disagreed with him.... you not gonna put a hit out on me are ya?

 

[Rockerduck]

Worship John Calvin much??? View attachment 59275

Calvin murdered people who disagreed with him.... you not gonna put a hit out on me are ya? View attachment 59276

So did the Catholic church, William Tyndale died burnt at the stake at the same John Calvin was in Geneva. At this time period in the 1500's the Kings and church's removed heretics that refused to conform or disagreed.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So did the Catholic church, William Tyndale died burnt at the stake at the same John Calvin was in Geneva. At this time period in the 1500's the Kings and church's removed heretics that refused to conform or disagreed.

And this is HOW we know they were all false brethren.... because they thought God approved of them murdering people who disagreed with their false gospel as these people did NOT have the Holy Spirit and were in fact servants of satan who taught false doctrine... calvinisn, luthernism, and the catholic cult.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1 John 3:15-17
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him

These people are all in hell right now because they thought it was OK to murder people claiming it was God's will to murder people. Sadly, they were servants of satan

 

[Aunty Jane]

Mans religion denies the Gospel Truth of Predestination, even though its taught in scripture .

Yes….but what is it that is predestined? And from what period of time was it predestined?
Those who misread that verse to refer to the creation of the planet are not interpreting Scripture correctly.

The Greek words in that verse do not refer to the founding of the “world” (planet) because the fate of man was not yet set….humans were created with free will, as are the angels, (part of being made in God’s image) so they were allowed to use their free will to determine their own future (and ours). Otherwise, why was the TKGE there in the garden, along with “the tree of life”? One tree was death dealing, and the other was life giving…..God did not make the choice for them, but left it up to them to respond according to the knowledge they had at that time. They both knew that partaking of the forbidden fruit carried the death penalty, so there was no excuse to do so. Nor was there any deprivation because of not having this one tree for food.
God claimed this one tree as his personal property. It represented his right as Universal Sovereign to determine the limits of the freedom he gave to his earthly children.

And if the devil did not have free will, then why did he subvert the faith of Adam and his wife? Did God plan that in advance, setting them up to fail so that he could predestine some humans in the future to go to heaven? Make sense of that…because I cannot. It makes God responsible for all human suffering!

If, OTOH, God had contingencies planned for whatever choices the humans made, then he would only implement them after the fact. He waited to see which of the choices available to them were chosen and then responded accordingly.

The expression “founding of the world” has the meaning in Greek of “laying down seed“ or referring to “conception”….therefore the “founding of the world” was the world of mankind descended from Adam.
His sin was the only reason why we lost everlasting life here on earth. The way to the “tree of life” was denied after the fall, so that sinful humans could not partake of its fruit and “live forever”. (Gen 3:22-24)

What God predestined was a set number of humans of his choosing, who would rule in his Kingdom in order to restore what Adam had lost for redeemed mankind.
The only reason why Christ came as our redeemer was to buy back everlasting life for us. Do we really appreciate what was lost in Eden?

The means of restoring God’s purpose was predestined, but not the individuals who would rule in that kingdom. As free willed individuals we can sin and lose our place, then God would select another to take the place of the one who failed to obey God through the teachings of his Christ. (2 Peter 2:20-22)

This is also the reason why satan tempted Jesus….because he was a mortal human and the devil already had success with the first mortals who were originally sinless. What a feather in his cap that would have been….but the son of God had a faith that was entirely unselfish and as solid as a rock.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Scripture truth #1 Tells us the Gospel Truth that Believers had been predestinated to the Image of Christ Rom 829

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Who are Christ’s “brethren”? (Brothers)…….who are those “many” whom he accepts as his brothers?

Matt 25:31-34….
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.”

What is “the founding of the world” that Jesus mentions there? It’s the time when the Kingdom was prepared to receive the sheep, some of whom would be rulers and priests with Christ in the Kingdom, (Rev 20:6) and others who would be the subjects of that Kingdom on earth, where God put us in the first place….with the prospect of everlasting life in a beautiful paradise. Did God change his plans for planet Earth? Or did he make plans to restore what the abuse of free will had taken away?

On what basis did he recognize the “sheep”?
”Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”

So there are Christ’s “brothers” and there are the “sheep” who care for their needs. Two separate groups.

What of the “goats” in Jesus parable? And on what basis does he judge them adversely?

“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

The basis for judgment was how they treated Christ’s “brothers”.

The “sheep“ did it without knowing who it was that they were helping…..but the “goats” neglected to do it to anyone because they think only of themselves.

 

[Rockerduck]

Yes….but what is it that is predestined? And from what period of time was it predestined?
Those who misread that verse to refer to the creation of the planet are not interpreting Scripture correctly.

The Greek words in that verse do not refer to the founding of the “world” (planet) because the fate of man was not yet set….humans were created with free will, as are the angels, (part of being made in God’s image) so they were allowed to use their free will to determine their own future (and ours). Otherwise, why was the TKGE there in the garden, along with “the tree of life”? One tree was death dealing, and the other was life giving…..God did not make the choice for them, but left it up to them to respond according to the knowledge they had at that time. They both knew that partaking of the forbidden fruit carried the death penalty, so there was no excuse to do so. Nor was there any deprivation because of not having this one tree for food.
God claimed this one tree as his personal property. It represented his right as Universal Sovereign to determine the limits of the freedom he gave to his earthly children.

And if the devil did not have free will, then why did he subvert the faith of Adam and his wife? Did God plan that in advance, setting them up to fail so that he could predestine some humans in the future to go to heaven? Make sense of that…because I cannot. It makes God responsible for all human suffering!

If, OTOH, God had contingencies planned for whatever choices the humans made, then he would only implement them after the fact. He waited to see which of the choices available to them were chosen and then responded accordingly.

The expression “founding of the world” has the meaning in Greek of “laying down seed“ or referring to “conception”….therefore the “founding of the world” was the world of mankind descended from Adam.
His sin was the only reason why we lost everlasting life here on earth. The way to the “tree of life” was denied after the fall, so that sinful humans could not partake of its fruit and “live forever”. (Gen 3:22-24)

What God predestined was a set number of humans of his choosing, who would rule in his Kingdom in order to restore what Adam had lost for redeemed mankind.
The only reason why Christ came as our redeemer was to buy back everlasting life for us. Do we really appreciate what was lost in Eden?

The means of restoring God’s purpose was predestined, but not the individuals who would rule in that kingdom. As free willed individuals we can sin and lose our place, then God would select another to take the place of the one who failed to obey God through the teachings of his Christ. (2 Peter 2:20-22)

This is also the reason why satan tempted Jesus….because he was a mortal human and the devil already had success with the first mortals who were originally sinless. What a feather in his cap that would have been….but the son of God had a faith that was entirely unselfish and as solid as a rock.

God is infinite, and we cannot suppose and guess, or use our finite mind to apply logic to an Infinite God. When God says predestined from the foundation of the World, it means just that. God has determined everything in advance from the beginning of infinite. He planned your whole family tree and every job He prepared for them and everyone else in the world that was ever born, and God knows every one of them He formed in the womb and has a name for all ever born of mankind. What God instituted was "choice" not will. You have freedom of choice. We do God's will; recite the Lord's Prayer.

 

[Hobie]

Many today deny that some people are predestinated to Salvation. That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now understand, them He foreknew are a people who had not yet been born, and yet to be born as sinners dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5 ! Now these before they had any being save in the mind and purpose of God, had been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Gods Son, who is Heavenly and Spiritual, the Lord from heaven, in contrast to adam the earthy 1 Cor 15:47-49


47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


Remember they had been foreknown and predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,

In 1 Cor 15:49 Paul can write we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, because its been predestined by God from all eternity.

Now in order for sinners to be conformed to the image of Christ, it takes a work of the Spirit as seen here in 1 2 Cor 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

So this is a Salvation work to be conformed to the image of Christ, it necessitates the New Birth, a Salvation Blessing !

This proves without a shadow of doubt that some have been predestinated to Salvation !

Adam and Eve had no sin so they had eternal life, but as you can see when you turn away from God to follow the father of lies, you go from life to death. No one is predestined, God calls and we chose.

 

[Hobie]

Who are Christ’s “brethren”? (Brothers)…….who are those “many” whom he accepts as his brothers?

Matt 25:31-34….
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.”

What is “the founding of the world” that Jesus mentions there? It’s the time when the Kingdom was prepared to receive the sheep, some of whom would be rulers and priests with Christ in the Kingdom, (Rev 20:6) and others who would be the subjects of that Kingdom on earth, where God put us in the first place….with the prospect of everlasting life in a beautiful paradise. Did God change his plans for planet Earth? Or did he make plans to restore what the abuse of free will had taken away?

On what basis did he recognize the “sheep”?
”Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”

So there are Christ’s “brothers” and there are the “sheep” who care for their needs. Two separate groups.

What of the “goats” in Jesus parable? And on what basis does he judge them adversely?

“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

The basis for judgment was how they treated Christ’s “brothers”.

The “sheep“ did it without knowing who it was that they were helping…..but the “goats” neglected to do it to anyone because they think only of themselves.

Preach Aunty, very clear truth...

 

[brightfame52]

Worship John Calvin much??? View attachment 59275

Calvin murdered people who disagreed with him.... you not gonna put a hit out on me are ya? View attachment 59276

Scoffer and hater of the Gospel

 

[brightfame52]

Yes….but what is it that is predestined? And from what period of time was it predestined?
Those who misread that verse to refer to the creation of the planet are not interpreting Scripture correctly.

The Greek words in that verse do not refer to the founding of the “world” (planet) because the fate of man was not yet set….humans were created with free will, as are the angels, (part of being made in God’s image) so they were allowed to use their free will to determine their own future (and ours). Otherwise, why was the TKGE there in the garden, along with “the tree of life”? One tree was death dealing, and the other was life giving…..God did not make the choice for them, but left it up to them to respond according to the knowledge they had at that time. They both knew that partaking of the forbidden fruit carried the death penalty, so there was no excuse to do so. Nor was there any deprivation because of not having this one tree for food.
God claimed this one tree as his personal property. It represented his right as Universal Sovereign to determine the limits of the freedom he gave to his earthly children.

And if the devil did not have free will, then why did he subvert the faith of Adam and his wife? Did God plan that in advance, setting them up to fail so that he could predestine some humans in the future to go to heaven? Make sense of that…because I cannot. It makes God responsible for all human suffering!

If, OTOH, God had contingencies planned for whatever choices the humans made, then he would only implement them after the fact. He waited to see which of the choices available to them were chosen and then responded accordingly.

The expression “founding of the world” has the meaning in Greek of “laying down seed“ or referring to “conception”….therefore the “founding of the world” was the world of mankind descended from Adam.
His sin was the only reason why we lost everlasting life here on earth. The way to the “tree of life” was denied after the fall, so that sinful humans could not partake of its fruit and “live forever”. (Gen 3:22-24)

What God predestined was a set number of humans of his choosing, who would rule in his Kingdom in order to restore what Adam had lost for redeemed mankind.
The only reason why Christ came as our redeemer was to buy back everlasting life for us. Do we really appreciate what was lost in Eden?

The means of restoring God’s purpose was predestined, but not the individuals who would rule in that kingdom. As free willed individuals we can sin and lose our place, then God would select another to take the place of the one who failed to obey God through the teachings of his Christ. (2 Peter 2:20-22)

This is also the reason why satan tempted Jesus….because he was a mortal human and the devil already had success with the first mortals who were originally sinless. What a feather in his cap that would have been….but the son of God had a faith that was entirely unselfish and as solid as a rock.

God did His predestinating work b4 the world began.

 

[brightfame52]

@Aunty Jane

Who are Christ’s “brethren”? (Brothers)…….who are those “many” whom he accepts as his brothers?

Those Chosen in Him before the world began Eph 1:4

 

[brightfame52]

Adam and Eve had no sin so they had eternal life, but as you can see when you turn away from God to follow the father of lies, you go from life to death. No one is predestined, God calls and we chose.

Fables, Eternal Life was always promised in Jesus Christ, before Adam and Eve had being, Titus 1:2

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

The life Adam and Eve had was only physical life, natural life in the beginning, not eternal life through Christ Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.