OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[GracePeace]

What Jesus told Judas to do contains truth, so why don't you do what Judas di in obedience to Christ. Jesus told him to go and commit suicide.

What a sloppy argument.
"There's no difference at all between what Jesus told Judas to do and what Jesus told Peter was true about God."
Maybe you need some coffee.

Hahahaha

 

[Christian Soldier]

Nope, "filthy rags" are "a righteousness of my own", but when God works in someone, and they obey (Php 2:12,13), that's "fine linen bright and clean" (Rev 19:7,8), because it's "God's righteousness"--and, again, you have no answer for Matthew 18, where only doers of good remain, which good deeds/righteousness of God you denigrate as "filthy rags".

Were not talking about Gods Works, your works are filthy stinking rags, so don't deflect the filthy rags to Gods account

 

[GracePeace]

What Jesus told Judas to do contains truth, so why don't you do what Judas di in obedience to Christ. Jesus told him to go and commit suicide.

OK Cool I think I'm done demonstrating how foolish your position is.
Ignored!

 

[GracePeace]

Were not talking about Gods Works, your works are filthy stinking rags, so don't deflect the filthy rags to Gods account

Yup, God works in us, which is God's righteousness, and we are told to obey that working (Php 2:12,13), and those works are "fine linen bright and clean", not "filthy rags". Already answered. You have nothing but gobbledygook to offer. Au revoir!

 

[Christian Soldier]

OK Explain to everyone what the parable, which you've said you're not beholden to, means to you.

It means nothing to me, other than information that works based religious people will be cast into hell. I already know this without reading any parable, it's for those who don't know to keep them in the dark.

 

[Christian Soldier]

@ChristianSoldier Why are you still engaging in the conversation? You've spent all your ammunition, you've accomplished precisely nothing (except humiliating yourself by outing yourself as a rebel against God's Word, the parables), yet you're still wasting resources here. I'm satisfied with how things have gone--I've put my information out, you've put yours out--and, since you're reduced to gobbledygook, like all the others who try to argue your point, I'm ready to go ahead and put you on ignore.

Go ahead, make my day

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yup, God works in us, which is God's righteousness, and we are told to obey that working (Php 2:12,13), and those works are "fine linen bright and clean", not "filthy rags". Already answered. You have nothing but gobbledygook to offer. Au revoir!

Who does God work in, do you mean Hitler, Judas and Satan???, well I reject that god

 

[Christian Soldier]

Will those who are forgiven, but who do not do the good of forgiving others, remain forgiven, or will they have that forgiveness, the righteousness of faith (Ro 4:6-8), rescinded?

God is not a liar, and He doesn't change His mind about forgiveness. He doesn't suffer from a personality disorder as the god your describing does.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Oh, my mistake--you agree that God can forgive debts, and, thereafter, rescind forgiveness, based on whether or not the forgiven person forgives others (ie, that salvation can be lost).
OK Thanks for agreeing.

But I don't agree with that rubbish, as it makes God a liar and a scammer. So I reject that god you describe

 

[Christian Soldier]

What a sloppy argument.
"There's no difference at all between what Jesus told Judas to do and what Jesus told Peter was true about God."
Maybe you need some coffee.

Hahahaha

So you agree you should mimic everything people were told to do in the bible. Like hate you mother and brother and sister. Man if you obeyed everything Jesus told people to do, you'd start killing your loved ones. Wow man, your way of the scale

 

[Christian Soldier]

OK Cool I think I'm done demonstrating how foolish your position is.
Ignored!

 

[face2face]

Who does God work in, do you mean Hitler, Judas and Satan???, well I reject that god

You are still using the word satan incorrectly C.

Satan can be a person who is an adversary to another or a title representing a group of people or a specific person who is offensive in some way.

Surely with all you have been shown you get this now!

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

You are still using the word satan incorrectly C.

Satan can be a person who is an adversary to another or a title representing a group of people or a specific person who is offensive in some way.

Surely with all you have been shown you get this now!

F2F

The reason I don't get what your saying is because it's not true. I do understand Engl8ish but I reject what your saying because it's a lie.

I have told you on a few occasions before, to go and learn the basics before you expose yourself as being willfully ignorant and biblically illiterate. I told you that Satan has many different names and titles, I like using Satan because it's His most popular title.
Now I will enlighten you with the truthy of thew matter so you can put it to bed.

Names and titles used to describe Satan.

1. Satan
2. The Devil
3. Day Star
4. Son of the Morning
5. The Anointed Cherub
6. Tempter
7. Ruler of Demons
8. Beelzebul
9. The Evil One
10. Enemy
11. Liar
12. Father of Lies
13. Ruler of this world
14. God of this age
15. Angel of Light
16. Belial
17. Ruler of the Authority of the Air
18. Adversary
19. Roaring Lion
20. Angel of the Abyss
21. Apollyon and Abaddon
22. Dragon
23. Old Serpent
24. Deceiver of the whole World
25. Accuser of Gods People

How long does it take for the penny to drop with you, if I had a dollar for every time I corrected you I would be very rich. You can't be serious, I don't think anyone else has missed the elephant in the room except for your good self.

I'm happy to tech you, but you should show me due respect in return.

 

[face2face]

1. Satan

Has many uses in the Word 1. Can be an angel standing the way as an adversary 2. of a person or people (can be symbolic of nations) Never a fallen angel as angels only do the will of their God - Psalm 103:20–21

You can have a good Satan!

2. The Devil

An entirely different word with many applications 1. A false accuser or slanderer 2. Always used of persons or peoples and never a fallen angel!

Is used in a negative context only!

3. Day Star

Refers to the King of Babyon - has no context at all to a fallen angel!

4. Son of the Morning

Same as above

5. The Anointed Cherub

Same as above

6. Tempter

James spells out clearly the source of tempation

1:14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires. 1:15 Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death Jas 1:14–15.

I tried to show you the meaning of this but your mind is so infected you couldnt see it!

7. Ruler of Demon
8. Beelzebul

Youre Funny Christian - a sucker at heart!

Baalzebub (Heb baʿal zĕbûb) to mean “lord of flies" a derogatory title the Pharisees gave Jesus

Theodore J. Lewis, "Beelzebul" The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992) 639.

It shows how far the Judiazers had gone in their departure from OT truth that they believed in the remnants of Baal worship -

You have now taken the same into your heart - how does it feel?

9. The Evil One

ho ponērós may be translated “evil” or “the evil one.”

Can refer to the flesh, person or people but nowhere is it associated with a fallen angel in the Bible

10. Enemy

The Flesh

11. Liar

Atribute of the Flesh

12. Father of Lies

Serpent - symbol of flesh and the seed of the serpent are those who adopted it's thinking - After Eve & Adam Cain was the first to manifest the envy of the flesh in killing his brother!

13. Ruler of this world

Sin's Flesh

14. God of this age

Sin's Flesh - Also the Religous authorities

15. Angel of Light

In its context its speaking to the Chief Priest and his followers who persecuted Paul in his ministry

16. Belial

False god

17. Ruler of the Authority of the Air

In its context its speaking to the Chief Priest and his followers who persecuted Paul in his ministry

18. Adversary

In English the word translates to satan

19. Roaring Lion

Symbol of unbridled pride

20. Angel of the Abyss

You would need to quote the chapter in Revelation to understand the context and its prophetical meaning

21. Apollyon and Abaddon

The messenger or distruction (means destroyer) highly symbolic in Revelation 9

They have as king over them the angel (messenger) of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon Re 9:11.

Why do you think the writer dropped the word bottomless from verse 11 whereas its quoted in verse 1&2?

Thoughts?

22. Dragon

Not literal od course! Again highly symbolic.

Firstly of its a worldy power!
Secondly think Daniel chapter 2&7 and think of the beast of chapter 7 and how that beast represented the empires of the earth and you will start to get close to the symbol!

Enjoy!

23. Old Serpent

This term is used as representing the flesh in political manifestation (ruling powers of an age!).

The way its used in the Apocalypse is the serpent incited rebellion against the express commands of God in Gen 3, and the spirit of such has been manifested by flesh and its institutions ever since. You would need to understand the full interpretation of the Revelation but you struggle to understand simply concepts such as personification and reading in context so I couldn't expect you to understand the Lord’s letter to his Saints.

24. Deceiver of the whole World

Sin's Flesh

25. Accuser of Gods People

Sin's Flesh

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm trying to discuss scripture, but your not interested in discussing it. You prefer to dictate your private interpretation of the gospel and you get upset when someone exposes your errors.

I showed you your errors but you attack me instead of defending the charges I brought against you.

It would be helpful if your responded to the charges, instead of resorting to personal attacks. You say you gave me 3 verses about believers bein blotted out of the book of life.

You said I'm claiming that the bible lied in Exodus 33:32 WHOEVER HAS SINNED AGAINST ME I WILL BLOT OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.

I did respond to that accusation in an earlier post, but you seemingly ignored it. I said if your interpretation of Ex 33:32 is correct then God must blot out the names of everyone in His book, because we have all sinned against Him. So your interpretation can't possibly be correct, because Gods Word proves that you got it wrong but you are too proud to admit that you messed up.

This is why I said, we can't pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and twist them to fit our false doctrine. The Bible interprets the Bible, it's not there for you to cherry pick the bits you like and trash the bits which expose you.

YOU stated that names cannot be removed from the book of life.

I gave a sufficient number of verses to show that it can.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between sinning and living a life of sin.

And how about commenting on the other verses stating plainly that a name could be blotted out?

Seems that you like the Exodus verse for one reason or another.

We have all sinned....
We all know this.
But Jesus is the solution.

So, could we get beyond this point?

Your argument is not logical.

 

[GodsGrace]

You thought wrong, who told you there is only one God. Don't you even know the ABC's of the Bible, I have to teach you the basics. Anyway what is the first commandment????

1, "You shall have no other gods before me" but you say you thought there was only one god, but God says no. So I'm glad you learned something new today.

Oooops.
I thought that meant other FALSE gods.
I do believe there is only one God.

You're very insulting CS.
You do not live the faith the propose to "teach".

What's there to love about totally depraved wicked sinners who's best works are filthy stinking rags. I couldn't even love such vile creatures, let along a thrice Holy God. Man you're way out of touch with reality.

Terrible that God made us knowing we would turn to ........that word you had in mind.

Why did God even make us?

Yes everything was good in Genesis 1:18, 25 but then everything turned to **** fill in the blank and learn the truth. Why do you ignore all the bits which expose your false theology????, you will have to embrace the whole counsel of God if you want to learn the truth.

I'm such a silly girl.

Neither is God lying, and neither am I wrong. The sad truth is you don't want to accept or deal with the awful truth of the gospel.

What IS the TRUTH of the GOSPEL?

Please enlighten us all.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Has many uses in the Word 1. Can be an angel standing the way as an adversary 2. of a person or people (can be symbolic of nations) Never a fallen angel as angels only do the will of their God - Psalm 103:20–21

You can have a good Satan!

An entirely different word with many applications 1. A false accuser or slanderer 2. Always used of persons or peoples and never a fallen angel!

Is used in a negative context only!

Refers to the King of Babyon - has no context at all to a fallen angel!

Same as above

Same as above

James spells out clearly the source of tempation

1:14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires. 1:15 Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death Jas 1:14–15.

I tried to show you the meaning of this but your mind is so infected you couldnt see it!



Youre Funny Christian - a sucker at heart!

Baalzebub (Heb baʿal zĕbûb) to mean “lord of flies" a derogatory title the Pharisees gave Jesus

Theodore J. Lewis, "Beelzebul" The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992) 639.

It shows how far the Judiazers had gone in their departure from OT truth that they believed in the remnants of Baal worship -

You have now taken the same into your heart - how does it feel?



ho ponērós may be translated “evil” or “the evil one.”

Can refer to the flesh, person or people but nowhere is it associated with a fallen angel in the Bible


The Flesh

Atribute of the Flesh

Serpent - symbol of flesh and the seed of the serpent are those who adopted it's thinking - After Eve & Adam Cain was the first to manifest the envy of the flesh in killing his brother!

Sin's Flesh

Sin's Flesh - Also the Religous authorities

In its context its speaking to the Chief Priest and his followers who persecuted Paul in his ministry

False god

In its context its speaking to the Chief Priest and his followers who persecuted Paul in his ministry

In English the word translates to satan

Symbol of unbridled pride

You would need to quote the chapter in Revelation to understand the context and its prophetical meaning

The messenger or distruction (means destroyer) highly symbolic in Revelation 9

They have as king over them the angel (messenger) of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon Re 9:11.

Why do you think the writer dropped the word bottomless from verse 11 whereas its quoted in verse 1&2?

Thoughts?



Not literal od course! Again highly symbolic.

Firstly of its a worldy power!
Secondly think Daniel chapter 2&7 and think of the beast of chapter 7 and how that beast represented the empires of the earth and you will start to get close to the symbol!

Enjoy!


This term is used as representing the flesh in political manifestation (ruling powers of an age!).

The way its used in the Apocalypse is the serpent incited rebellion against the express commands of God in Gen 3, and the spirit of such has been manifested by flesh and its institutions ever since. You would need to understand the full interpretation of the Revelation but you struggle to understand simply concepts such as personification and reading in context so I couldn't expect you to understand the Lord’s letter to his Saints.


Sin's Flesh

Sin's Flesh

Has many uses in the Word 1. Can be an angel standing the way as an adversary 2. of a person or people (can be symbolic of nations) Never a fallen angel as angels only do the will of their God - Psalm 103:20–21

You can have a good Satan!

An entirely different word with many applications 1. A false accuser or slanderer 2. Always used of persons or peoples and never a fallen angel!

Is used in a negative context only!

Refers to the King of Babyon - has no context at all to a fallen angel!

Same as above

Same as above

James spells out clearly the source of tempation

1:14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires. 1:15 Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death Jas 1:14–15.

I tried to show you the meaning of this but your mind is so infected you couldnt see it!



Youre Funny Christian - a sucker at heart!

Baalzebub (Heb baʿal zĕbûb) to mean “lord of flies" a derogatory title the Pharisees gave Jesus

Theodore J. Lewis, "Beelzebul" The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992) 639.

It shows how far the Judiazers had gone in their departure from OT truth that they believed in the remnants of Baal worship -

You have now taken the same into your heart - how does it feel?



ho ponērós may be translated “evil” or “the evil one.”

Can refer to the flesh, person or people but nowhere is it associated with a fallen angel in the Bible


The Flesh

Atribute of the Flesh

Serpent - symbol of flesh and the seed of the serpent are those who adopted it's thinking - After Eve & Adam Cain was the first to manifest the envy of the flesh in killing his brother!

Sin's Flesh

Sin's Flesh - Also the Religous authorities

In its context its speaking to the Chief Priest and his followers who persecuted Paul in his ministry

False god

In its context its speaking to the Chief Priest and his followers who persecuted Paul in his ministry

In English the word translates to satan

Symbol of unbridled pride

You would need to quote the chapter in Revelation to understand the context and its prophetical meaning

The messenger or distruction (means destroyer) highly symbolic in Revelation 9

They have as king over them the angel (messenger) of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon Re 9:11.

Why do you think the writer dropped the word bottomless from verse 11 whereas its quoted in verse 1&2?

Thoughts?



Not literal od course! Again highly symbolic.

Firstly of its a worldy power!
Secondly think Daniel chapter 2&7 and think of the beast of chapter 7 and how that beast represented the empires of the earth and you will start to get close to the symbol!

Enjoy!


This term is used as representing the flesh in political manifestation (ruling powers of an age!).

The way its used in the Apocalypse is the serpent incited rebellion against the express commands of God in Gen 3, and the spirit of such has been manifested by flesh and its institutions ever since. You would need to understand the full interpretation of the Revelation but you struggle to understand simply concepts such as personification and reading in context so I couldn't expect you to understand the Lord’s letter to his Saints.


Sin's Flesh

Sin's Flesh

I know you don't believe what the bible says, but here goes nothing.

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Matt 12:24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

Matt 13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

2 Cor 4:4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Eph 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

1 Chron 21:1 Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel

Zechariah 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him.

Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

Luke 13:16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?”

Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

I don't know how much evidence it would take to convince you that Gods Word should not be trashed or ignored. But I fear that you are beyond reason

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[Christian Soldier]

YOU stated that names cannot be removed from the book of life.

I gave a sufficient number of verses to show that it can.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between sinning and living a life of sin.

And how about commenting on the other verses stating plainly that a name could be blotted out?

Seems that you like the Exodus verse for one reason or another.

We have all sinned....
We all know this.
But Jesus is the solution.

So, could we get beyond this point?

Your argument is not logical.

So now you have moved the goal posts and added to Gods Word. First you claim that "whoever has sinned against Me I will blot out of the book of life"

Now you say "whosoever lives a life of sin, I will blot out of the book of life". See what happens when you add or remove words from God Word.

It's OK, I'm not judging you at all. If anything I would love to be corrected if I have the wrong interpretation.

Jesus is the solution for Gods Children, but He didn't come to set the Devils Children free. He only came to save those His Father gave Him (the elect)

 

[Christian Soldier]

Oooops.
I thought that meant other FALSE gods.
I do believe there is only one God.

You're very insulting CS.
You do not live the faith the propose to "teach".



Terrible that God made us knowing we would turn to ........that word you had in mind.

Why did God even make us?



I'm such a silly girl.

What IS the TRUTH of the GOSPEL?

Please enlighten us all.

Here we go again, don't know realize that a false god is still a god. Why would God mention the gods if they didn't exist. Those who don't know the truth don't know that there is only One True God.

The Hindu Indians have around 320 million gods, that's just one religion but there are many more. S LETS TAKE God more seriously when He says, "you shall have no other gods before Me".

Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

Yes God made some people for honor and some to dishonor. God is a mystery, but He did tells us that He created everyone including the Devil for His own purpose. So I don't know why God chose to save some and leave the rest in their sin.

The truth of the gospel is the Lord Jesus Christ, Jesus said "I am the Truth". so now we know the truth is not a thing but it is the Lord Himself. So if you believe what Jesus said about himself, rather than what people say about Him, then you will know the truth of the gospel.

 

[RedFan]

Here we go again, don't know realize that a false god is still a god. Why would God mention the gods if they didn't exist. Those who don't know the truth don't know that there is only One True God.

Semantics. One "True" God begs the question. So let's define.

Here's my definition: A "god" is anything that humans worship and serve, whether or not it is sentient or communicative. The Golden Calf was a "god." Mammon is a god. (Ambrose Bierce defines "mammon" as "The god of the world's leading religion. His temple is in the holy city of New York.")