OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Christian Soldier]

Nope, Jesus does not speak in vain, He speaks bc God leads Him to speak, and He interprets His parables authoritatively, so, no, they're not up to personal interpretation.

When Jesus says "So My Father will treat you if you do not forgive", that's what the parable means.

Your understanding of the parable corresponds to your understanding of your god, so the parable must conform to what you believe your god does. I understand the parable according to what the God of the bible, who never goes back on His promise as yours obviously does.

 

[GracePeace]

Those parables have an entirely different meaning to me than to yourself. Jesus said "it is given to you to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not". He was referring to the parables, this means I don't need the parables because I know the the conclusion of the matter and they have been given a puzzle which is confusing and keeps them guessing.
You obviously ignore this fact because it's not convenient and it exposes your error.

What does the parable of the unforgiving steward, which you said you're not beholden to, mean to you?

 

[GracePeace]

Why was Jesus playing games with unbelievers and giving them puzzles which they could never figure out and why did He reveal the puzzles to His disciples???, go figure

Irrelevant--the point is they contain truth, and the truth they contain you reject.

 

[GracePeace]

I'll stick to the Christ alone concept, and you can have your religion of works. Christ said your best religious works are filthy stinking rags, and that's all you have to offer God, A bunch of filthy stinking rags. Good luck with that

Nope, "filthy rags" are "a righteousness of my own", but when God works in someone, and they obey (Php 2:12,13), that's "fine linen bright and clean" (Rev 19:7,8), because it's "God's righteousness"--and, again, you have no answer for Matthew 18, where only doers of good remain, which good deeds/righteousness of God you denigrate as "filthy rags".

 

[GracePeace]

Your understanding of the parable corresponds to your understanding of your god, so the parable must conform to what you believe your god does. I understand the parable according to what the God of the bible, who never goes back on His promise as yours obviously does.

OK Explain to everyone what the parable, which you've said you're not beholden to, means to you.

 

[Christian Soldier]

But thats not what you said., You said it was only given to them.

I have no reason to apologize. You just proved me right,

it was given to confuse them, but we could understand..

now you apologize.

You missed the point, it was given to them as a riddle or puzzle which they can never figure out, but it was given the Disciples in the complete for so they didn't need to go figure, as the unbelievers had to try in vein to figure out. As we can see here, most are still clueless as to the meaning so it proves Jesus was right, they will never get it.

 

[GracePeace]

You missed the point, it was given to them as a riddle or puzzle which they can never figure out, but it was given the Disciples in the complete for so they didn't need to go figure, as the unbelievers had to try in vein to figure out. As we can see here, most are still clueless as to the meaning so it proves Jesus was right, they will never get it.

Tell everyone the "true" meaning of the parable of the unforgiving servant--which you've said you're not beholden to, anyway (???)--if you want to insist I got it "wrong"... or were you planning on arguing, "Hah! You got it wrong! I got the TRUE meaning! I won't tell you, though!"

Hahaha

 

[Christian Soldier]

so what have I said about my god? Do tell

as for your God being supported. all I can do is laugh.

Nothing you have said about God, can be confirmed by the Bible. Your theology is based on your private opinion, and it's way off what the Bible teaches about Him

 

[GracePeace]

I understand the parable according to what the God of the bible, who never goes back on His promise as yours obviously does.

Already answered :

 

[GracePeace]

@ChristianSoldier Why are you still engaging in the conversation? You've spent all your ammunition, you've accomplished precisely nothing (except humiliating yourself by outing yourself as a rebel against God's Word, the parables), yet you're still wasting resources here. I'm satisfied with how things have gone--I've put my information out, you've put yours out--and, since you're reduced to gobbledygook, like all the others who try to argue your point, I'm ready to go ahead and put you on ignore.

 

[Christian Soldier]

lol. No there is not. again stop with your catholic nonsense.

There are three basic gospels granted one of these have subsets in them (some churches are more legalistic than others) but they still are a legalistic gospel

lol.

You just proved my point.

The greek orthodox and roman catholic church both preach a legalisitc gospel.. they come under the same type.

If you really look at it you both probably have the same sacraments, or works you belief you are required to do to get saved.

Like I said. Legalism is any gospel that teaches that we must do works to get saved, maintain our salvation or keep from being saved.

You have not refuted that

as for the catholic church releasing the Bible. Thank God they did. Because people could actually read fore3r themselves and see how corrupt the roman church is

Everybody adds their own conditions to the gospel, some more some less but I don't know of any of the 45,000 Christian Denominations which accept the gospel message as it is. None can resist adding their own conditions to salvation, you also do it yourself and your not even aware that your doing it.

As the good Priest said, give 10 people a bible and they will come back with 10 radically different interpretations, of the gospel message. I would go further and say, give it to 45,000 people and they will come back with 45,000 different interpretations.

You need to face the reality of the situation, you know it's a shameful horrible thing that the Church is so bitterly divided. And you are part of the problem because your pushing a false gospel while calling others heretics lol.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The parables were given to everyone that cared to listen, hear, and believe in what Jesus was teaching.
Maybe you remember that some left Jesus and the disciples in John 6 because Jesus was teaching something hard to believe...
SO

1. Either they FELL AWAY from their faith.
or
2. They were listening to hear what they would hear and decided it was TOO DIFFICULT to bear.

Either choice you make will NOT AGREE with either your belief system OR what you just posted above.



Wait....
Do you think I stated that the Prodigal Son PHYSICALLY DIED?

Yeah.
This conversation must end.



I gave you at least 3 verses about names being blotted out of the book of life.
You call what the bible states a lie?
That's on you CS.

And what exactly is wrong with Exodus 32:33
WHOEVER HAS SINNED AGAINST ME I WILL BLOT OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.

BLOT OUT.
REMOVE.
ERASE.
DELETE.

Even YOUR name could be blotted out of the book of life IF YOU SIN AGAINST GOD.

That's what the verse says.
Take it up with God.


I've found myself a shepherd.
His name is JESUS.
He's the MESSAGE
NOT the MESSENGER.

You should learn about Him too.

And please stop writing unless you wish to discuss scripture.

I'm trying to discuss scripture, but your not interested in discussing it. You prefer to dictate your private interpretation of the gospel and you get upset when someone exposes your errors.

I showed you your errors but you attack me instead of defending the charges I brought against you.

It would be helpful if your responded to the charges, instead of resorting to personal attacks. You say you gave me 3 verses about believers bein blotted out of the book of life.

You said I'm claiming that the bible lied in Exodus 33:32 WHOEVER HAS SINNED AGAINST ME I WILL BLOT OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.

I did respond to that accusation in an earlier post, but you seemingly ignored it. I said if your interpretation of Ex 33:32 is correct then God must blot out the names of everyone in His book, because we have all sinned against Him. So your interpretation can't possibly be correct, because Gods Word proves that you got it wrong but you are too proud to admit that you messed up.

This is why I said, we can't pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and twist them to fit our false doctrine. The Bible interprets the Bible, it's not there for you to cherry pick the bits you like and trash the bits which expose you.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I thought there was only one God.
Apparently not since your God doesn't even love His best creation MAN.

In Genesis God said everything He made was GOOD.
Genesis 1:18, 25

When He made man, God said he was VERY GOOD.
Genesis 1:31

So, either God was lying....
or you're wrong.

You thought wrong, who told you there is only one God. Don't you even know the ABC's of the Bible, I have to teach you the basics. Anyway what is the first commandment????

1, "You shall have no other gods before me" but you say you thought there was only one god, but God says no. So I'm glad you learned something new today.

What's there to love about totally depraved wicked sinners who's best works are filthy stinking rags. I couldn't even love such vile creatures, let along a thrice Holy God. Man you're way out of touch with reality.

Yes everything was good in Genesis 1:18, 25 but then everything turned to **** fill in the blank and learn the truth. Why do you ignore all the bits which expose your false theology????, you will have to embrace the whole counsel of God if you want to learn the truth.

Neither is God lying, and neither am I wrong. The sad truth is you don't want to accept or deal with the awful truth of the gospel.

 

[Christian Soldier]

What does the parable of the unforgiving steward, which you said you're not beholden to, mean to you?

It means that all those like yourself who believe their works will save them are in for a rude shock.

 

[JunChosen]

I don't need the parables, I know of them but they don't apply to me. So I'm not rejecting Gods Word because the parables you speak of weren't directed at me.
I have bigger fish to fry.

Mark 4:09-12; 33-34 reads:

09 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.
13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear [it].
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

According to your comment above since you are NOT a Roman, the Book of Romans is NOT for you, likewise since you have NEVER been in Ephesus, so the Book of Ephesians is NOT for you....do you see where I'm going with this? Pretty soon you will not have a Bible to consult truth!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Christian Soldier]

Irrelevant--the point is they contain truth, and the truth they contain you reject.

I never rejected any truth but the thing doesn't apply to me, it was not given for me. You seem to have a major issue with it so perhaps it was given for people like you to deal with it.

 

[GracePeace]

It means that all those like yourself who believe their works will save them are in for a rude shock.

Will those who are forgiven, but who do not do the good of forgiving others, remain forgiven, or will they have that forgiveness, the righteousness of faith (Ro 4:6-8), rescinded?

 

[GracePeace]

I never rejected any truth

Oh, my mistake--you agree that God can forgive debts, and, thereafter, rescind forgiveness, based on whether or not the forgiven person forgives others (ie, that salvation can be lost).
OK Thanks for agreeing.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Mark 4:09-12; 33-34 reads:

09 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.
13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear [it].
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

According to your comment above since you are NOT a Roman, the Book of Romans is NOT for you, likewise since you have NEVER been in Ephesus, so the Book of Ephesians is NOT for you....do you see where I'm going with this? Pretty soon you will not have a Bible to consult truth!!!

To God Be The Glory

Thank you for confirming my point, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

As an Elect Saint of God, unto me it is given, I'm not among them that are without. I'm in the "onto you" crowd. I'm not in the without crowd. Can you see how this works???

 

[Christian Soldier]

Irrelevant--the point is they contain truth, and the truth they contain you reject.

What Jesus told Judas to do contains truth, so why don't you do what Judas di in obedience to Christ. Jesus told him to go and commit suicide.