OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[GracePeace]

Sorry, that is in no way true and it is not supported by the context of scripture. Yehovah knew that I would be saved and recorded my name in the Book of Life, the book where no recorded name shall ever be blotted out but you read into the text that He got the servant's salvation wrong and had to blot it out, NOPE, 'TAINT TRUE!

All right, man, nice talking with you--no sense in keeping on wasting my resources repeatedly citing the same verses of Scripture over and over! Thanks for joining the convo!

 

[Christian Soldier]

No one is forcing you to pretend to discuss anything with me.

Go believe what ever pleases you.

Thanks for the advice, but I can assure you I'm no different to anyone else. Nobody believes in something that doesn't please them

 

[GracePeace]

I don't need the parables, I know of them but they don't apply to me. So I'm not rejecting Gods Word because the parables you speak of weren't directed at me.
I have bigger fish to fry.

Jesus spoke the parable of the unforgiving steward to Peter.
You don't like the truth of the parable because it threatens your tradition.
That's fine, but the parable for was Peter, who was a disciple, not for the crowds.
Therefore, the parable is for you.

 

[GracePeace]

Thanks for the advice, but I can assure you I'm no different to anyone else. Nobody believes in something that doesn't please them

That's not true. I despise the idea of God being a Father, yet I am forced to accept it.
My father abandoned us, and my step father was a Muslim terrorist.
I have no reason to want God to be a father.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jesus spoke the parable of the unforgiving steward to Peter.
You don't like the truth of the parable because it threatens your tradition.
That's fine, but the parable for was Peter, who was a disciple, not for the crowds.
Therefore, the parable is for you.

No Sir, you forgot that Peter was Satan, how convenient

 

[GracePeace]

No Sir, you forgot that Peter was Satan, how convenient

When you objected "parables were for crowds, not disciples", you were citing Matthew 13.
In it, the disciples asked, "Why do you preach in parables to the crowds?"
Jesus said, "To you is given the truth of the Kingdom"
So, there was a distinction between the crowd and the disciples.
So, are you saying Peter was part of the crowd, not a disciple?
The same Peter who asked, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life."?

 

[Christian Soldier]

That's not true. I despise the idea of God being a Father, yet I am forced to accept it.
My father abandoned us, and my step father was a Muslim terrorist.
I have no reason to want God to be a father.

The truth is not offered as an option to anyone, those who are in the flesh will reject it as foolishness. Those who are in the Spirit will embrace it and love it.

Every born again believer hated God before they were converted, but God gives those He converts a new heart and a new Spirit so they no longer love the things they used to love and they no longer hate the things they used to hate

 

[GracePeace]

The truth is not offered as an option to anyone, those who are in the flesh will reject it as foolishness. Those who are in the Spirit will embrace it and love it.

Every born again believer hated God before they were converted, but God gives those He converts a new heart and a new Spirit so they no longer love the things they used to love and they no longer hate the things they used to hate

Guy, you are not in a position to teach anything to me.
You are in rebellion against God's Word--the parables.
Go publish your heresy (your rebellion against the parables) to your Calvinist buddies and see what they think.

 

[GracePeace]

No Sir, you forgot that Peter was Satan, how convenient

Jesus didn't rejoice in wreaking destruction because the parables were LIES.
The parables were merely God's Truth DISGUISED.
(This is a "basic" truth your "teachers" apparently haven't taught you yet.)
Jesus turns around and EXPLAINS the truth He hid in the parable to His disciples.
This means the parables contain God's Truth.
You want to distance yourself from God's Truth.
I already knew that, of course--you reject the idea God rescinds forgiveness.
Now you completely dissociate yourself from the parables.
A very pleasing result--you outing yourself like that.
Hahahaha
You can repent when ever you please--or just walk away.

 

[GracePeace]

You can... just walk away.

@christiansoldier Same as I said to Taylor : no sense in wasting resources repeating the same truths endlessly when you have no appetite for it, but adhere to your traditions, sitting here spewing your empty gobbledygook ("Jesus's parables aren't true!" Or "I don't need to care or submit to what Jesus says in parables!")--all while pretending to have answers to, and pretending to "discuss", Scripture you actually despise. I'm glad you outed yourself though--i can't stand fakery.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Guy, you are not in a position to teach anything to me.
You are in rebellion against God's Word--the parables.
Go publish your heresy (your rebellion against the parables) to your Calvinist buddies and see what they think.

That's funny coming form someone who doesn't even know who the parables were given to or why they were given. But I guess ignorance is bliss

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jesus didn't rejoice in wreaking destruction because the parables were LIES.
The parables were merely God's Truth DISGUISED.
(This is a "basic" truth your "teachers" apparently haven't taught you yet.)
Jesus turns around and EXPLAINS the truth He hid in the parable to His disciples.
This means the parables contain God's Truth.
You want to distance yourself from God's Truth.
I already knew that, of course--you reject the idea God rescinds forgiveness.
Now you completely dissociate yourself from the parables.
A very pleasing result--you outing yourself like that.
Hahahaha
You can repent when ever you please--or just walk away.

I obviously don't believe in the god you believe in. My God doesn't break His promises as yours obviously does. A god who forgives someone then casts them into hell is Satanic, I could never have any respect for such a god.

 

[face2face]

is this supposed to be funny or something?

it is so full of silly accusations and assumption its not even funny, nor does it add to the conversation.

Do you just place your trust in people without getting to know them? Without seeing if they are trustworthy, they are who they say they are. just blindly follow people?

Well neither do Gods children.. They do nto lose faith. because their faith was not misfounded or placed in a lie in the first place.


But hey, if you want to Mock Gods grace. and Gods trustworthyness, feel free.

The laugh will be on you on judgment day

You response was even funnier than the orginal post. You fell for that one hook, line and sinker!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The parables were not given to believers, because we don't need the parables. As an Elect Saint of God, I understand what God said. The parables were given to unbelievers, to confuse them so they won't understand the gospel message.

This is in error.

It was given so those who believed could understand, but those who did not have eyes or ear could not see or here.

you don;t ignore the words of Jesus just because you do not think he was talking to you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's obvious we don't believe in the same God, so you will never convince me that your god exists. Just as I will never convince you to believe in the God of the bible.

Um, From what I see, Your God does not exist.

You should not attack someone elses God when your God is not who the Bible says he is

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're entitled to express your opinion just as everyone else is. Everyone interprets the bible in a way that meets their expectations and their moral standards.

Sadly, your right, most people do.

sadly people do not look at the word. And just seek to interpret what Jesus said. Or what the word actually says.

God is put on trial and most hate Him because He doesn't do thing their way.

Most people do not hate God. They hate the religion that makes out God to be somethign he is not.

God says he is a God of love and justice. When people claim God is neither, by what they preach, then they make God out to be somethign else.

The problem we all face is, there is no arbiter to tell us who has the right or wrong interpretation.

Yeah we do, Its the word of God. Like I tried to explain to another member, we have the perfect word of God inspired by God himself. All we have to do is look at the Bible and interpret it so everything in it agrees. When we see a contradiction, We do not just overlook ot, or ignore it because it makes our belief in error. We correct our beliefl

Sadly many just ignore it, or try to explain it away in a way which does not really remove the contradiction. Or worse yet. Say look at history.

We all run with our own private interpretation and hope we're on the winning side on judgement day, if we are on the winning side we get to go into eternal paradise but if we're not then we are cast into the lake of fire.

lol. No one wins my friend

The tax collector did not win, He humble self and called out in fear and a lack of hope in his situation, and God came in and rescued him
thats the issue, people make it about self. And not about God..

The problem with the bible is that there are 45,000 different interpretations, that's why we have 45,000 Christian Denominations. Each one claims to poses the correct interpretation, so the Church is not united and there's a lot of bad blood in the Church because of all the different interpretations.

Typical catholic response.

there are only 3 gospels

1. Legalism - They believe in salvation by Grace But we must do our part (works)

2. Licentiousness - Reject Gods grace and claim that because they believe and said some sinners prayer, they are saved, and now can go on living in sin, they are ok. Jude says rightly their destruction was fortold

3. Grace - The tax collector. Jesus paid the penalty of sin in the cross, he who had no sin, became sin for us. Offers us forgiveness, peace and eternal life. But we have to become poor in spirit and recieve it, Like the tax collector.

there is no other gospel.. those are the three..

if we break it down to these three. We quickly see who has the truth and who does not..

 

[RedFan]

I nearly fell off my chair reading this shocking statement "God doesn't punish sinners themselves, but rather punishes His innocent Son in their stead"
I find it hard to believe that you could make such a false statement as that. You must surely know that hell is more horrific than you could possibly imagine.

I'm sure you felt the pain of spilling hot water on you hand or touched something hot, now imagine swimming in red hot lava for all eternity and never reaching any shore to get out. So you don't believe that eternity in the lake of fire is sufficient punishment for a sinner.

Jesus only paid or the sins of Gods elect, the rest of mankind will pay for their own in hell.

I know we can't understand why God chose to save a small remnant for Himself. He should just throw all of us into the lake of fire because that's what we deserve. But we think He's not fair because He's not going to cast all of us into the lake of fire. Whilst I don't think He is fair or just, I'm extremely glad that he is not just, at the same time.

Don't be silly. I was talking about the saved sinners, not the unsaved sinners. See my Post #1002.

 

[Christian Soldier]

This is in error.

It was given so those who believed could understand, but those who did not have eyes or ear could not see or here.

you don;t ignore the words of Jesus just because you do not think he was talking to you

You're obviously unaware of why Jesus spoke to unbelievers in parables. Look at His own words then come back and apologize for falsely accusing me and thank me for teaching you the truth.

Matthew 13:10-12 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

So there you have it, Jesus admits that the parables were given to confuse the unbelievers.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Um, From what I see, Your God does not exist.

You should not attack someone elses God when your God is not who the Bible says he is

Well that's no defense of your god, I have charged you with believing in a false god and you're unable to provide any biblical evidence that your god exists. While everything I've said about the God of the bible is supported by scripture and not just my opinion.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Sadly, your right, most people do.

sadly people do not look at the word. And just seek to interpret what Jesus said. Or what the word actually says.

Most people do not hate God. They hate the religion that makes out God to be somethign he is not.

God says he is a God of love and justice. When people claim God is neither, by what they preach, then they make God out to be somethign else.

Yeah we do, Its the word of God. Like I tried to explain to another member, we have the perfect word of God inspired by God himself. All we have to do is look at the Bible and interpret it so everything in it agrees. When we see a contradiction, We do not just overlook ot, or ignore it because it makes our belief in error. We correct our beliefl

Sadly many just ignore it, or try to explain it away in a way which does not really remove the contradiction. Or worse yet. Say look at history.

lol. No one wins my friend

The tax collector did not win, He humble self and called out in fear and a lack of hope in his situation, and God came in and rescued him
thats the issue, people make it about self. And not about God..

Typical catholic response.

there are only 3 gospels

1. Legalism - They believe in salvation by Grace But we must do our part (works)

2. Licentiousness - Reject Gods grace and claim that because they believe and said some sinners prayer, they are saved, and now can go on living in sin, they are ok. Jude says rightly their destruction was fortold

3. Grace - The tax collector. Jesus paid the penalty of sin in the cross, he who had no sin, became sin for us. Offers us forgiveness, peace and eternal life. But we have to become poor in spirit and recieve it, Like the tax collector.

there is no other gospel.. those are the three..

if we break it down to these three. We quickly see who has the truth and who does not..

I wish you were right and there was only 3 gospels, but the sad truth is there are 45,000 to chose from so it' a lottery as to who is lucky enough to be born into a Church which teaches the one true gospel, which saves them.

I grew up in the Roman Catholic Church, I completed all the sacraments, because our parish Bishop told us that there is no other way to enter heaven, except through keeping the sacraments in the the Mother Church. The Bishop told us that Jesus gave the Apostle Peter (the first Pope of Rome) the keys to heaven.

One of my best friends grew up in the Greek Orthodox Church, where He was taught that there is no salvation outside of the Greek Orthodox Church. He said the Patriarch told them that Jesus chose to leave His final message with the Greeks, in the isle of Patmos and that's true. The Apostle John did receive the final message in Greece.

Every denomination adds their requirements to the gospel, each creates a unique set of requirements for their congregation to follow. These requirements are given as a condition to receive salvation, some denominations add around 20 requirements to the gospel and others add 509

Every denomination choses their own unique requirements, that way the congregation is trapped and most in the congregation believe they will lose their salvation if they join a different denomination. They even call people who leave traitors and their family and friends despise them, so the denominations wield a lot of power over their congregation.

My Priest told me that the biggest mistake the Vatican ever made was to release the bible to the public. He said, if you give 10 people a bible and ask them to read it, they would come back with 10 different interpretations and that's the undeniable truth. Allowing the public to own a bible has resulted in the disintegrating of the Church and 45,000 Christian Sects, Cults and Denominations.

The truth is you can make the bible say whatever you want it to say, as evidenced by the 45,000 denominations. It's wishful thinking to say there are only 3 gospels, because everyone adds their own spin to the gospel message. My Priest gave me a book, which had all the main Denominations and what they believe. I was shocked to find the large number of radically different gospels and doctrines.

I have since lost the book and I haven't been able to find another copy because I don't even remember the exact title as it was given to me 16 years ago. But the tile was something like "finding your way to the true religion", anyway it was certainly shocking.

I don't share your view that anybody can interpret the bible correctly if they just read it. If that was true we wouldn't have 45,000 opposing Denominations.