OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Christian Soldier]

Nope, He gave to each "according to his ability"--and the Lord faulted the servant for not doing what he could have done ("you should have brought My money to the bank so that I could at least have received interest").

Names can be blotted out of the Book of Life even if they had been written there from before the foundation of the earth--as noted, God can change history, forgetting righteousness, blotting Names out of His Book (so that, effectively, they were never there from before the foundation of the earth anymore).

Could you please tell me which scripture did you get thew idea from, that God can blot out names from the book of life. If what you say is true, then I need to abandon my theology and follow yours

 

[GracePeace]

Could you please tell me which scripture did you get thew idea from, that God can blot out names from the book of life. If what you say is true, then I need to abandon my theology and follow yours

Ex 32:33 as previously stated
Rev 3 says same

 

[GracePeace]

Could you please tell me which scripture did you get thew idea from, that God can blot out names from the book of life. If what you say is true, then I need to abandon my theology and follow yours

I wouldn't encourage anyone to abandon confidence in God, which Monergism can grant, I'm only objecting to arriving at the confidence through a false argument, helpful as it may be.

 

[GracePeace]

Could you please tell me which scripture did you get thew idea from, that God can blot out names from the book of life. If what you say is true, then I need to abandon my theology and follow yours

What was it, in your view, that the Lord had sowed into the servants, which he expected to reap a harvest of, but which the lazy servant didn't yield a harvest?

 

[GracePeace]

Could you please tell me which scripture did you get thew idea from, that God can blot out names from the book of life. If what you say is true, then I need to abandon my theology and follow yours

I really wish the Bible was as simple as you all (Monergists) claim it is--the fact is, though, that it just isn't.
It makes seemingly mutually exclusive statements, which take prayer and study to reconcile.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jesus used metaphoric language to TEACH SOMETHING.

And what do you mean by the word again being understood from a human perspective??

The Father in the Prodigal Son said his son WAS DEAD AND HAS COME TO LIFE AGAIN.

You can say NO NO NO all you want to but the NT testament says YES YES YES.

AGAIN means he was something BEFORE
then LOST IT
and now has it back AGAIN.

Yes. I'd take LITERALLY what Jesus teaches.

You're making up a different gospel.



1. The names can be blotted out.
Revelation 3:5
5The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.

The one clothes in WHITE WILL NEVER BE BLOTTED OUT.
IF you're not dressed in White....you WILL BE BLOTTED OUT.


Psalm 69:28
28Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous.

Exodus 32:32-33
32But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”
33But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

There's more but that should be enough.
We certainly CAN be blotted out of the book of life.

Also proving that OSAS is a heretical belief.


I NEVER SAID there's a 3rd type.
However, Matthew 7:24-29 describes 2 types of persons...
THOSE THAT HEAR THE WORDS OF JESUS AND ACTS UPON THEM...The wise.
THOSE THAT HEAR THE WORDS OF JESUS BUT DO NOT ACT ON THEM...The foolish.

I know it's difficult for you to accept that you MUST ACT on the words of Jesus...
but these are HIS words written down forever to be obeyed by His disciples.



Please see above.
Must I post Matthew 7:24-29 again??

JESUS SAID WE ARE TO ACT ON HIS WORDS.

To ACT
means TO TAKE AN ACTION.

Perhaps you don't really understand this?

THE TEACHING IS THAT WE MUST OBEY JESUS AND ACT ON HIS WORDS.

If you don't see that as a teaching, then I'm afraid no one on this thread can help you.
You have fallen from the faith and are following a different gospel.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Galatians 1:6-7
6But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 7As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

You are preaching a different gospel.


I posted the verses exactly as they appear in the NT.

Perhaps you're reading a different bible?
Or perhaps you're having difficulty understanding the words of Jesus?

The parables were not given to believers, because we don't need the parables. As an Elect Saint of God, I understand what God said. The parables were given to unbelievers, to confuse them so they won't understand the gospel message.

You have proven that you don't have the capacity to embrace the gospel message, so you abuse the parables to justify your lack of understanding. you don't even have the capacity to understand that the prodigal son never died and he never came back to life. Those are metaphors but they baffle you because you don't have then gift of discernment.

Nowhere does the bible say that anyone's name can be blotted out of the book of life, you made that lie up. You falsely interpret Exodus 32:33 "whoever has sinned against Me I will blot out of My book"
You have no idea of what that means in it's intended context, you abuse Gods Word when you pluck verses out of their intended context and twist their meaning to force your false doctrine on them.

Before you m8isused that verse you should have done a study to find out who sinned against God. If you did you would have found that everybody has sinned against God, so according to you nobody can be saved. Can you see how ludicrous your doctrine is.
I would urge you to find yourself a Shepherd to teach you the basics, so you don't embarrass yourself every time.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Did God go on vacation and leave YOU in charge?
I don't think so.

You should refrain from judging the souls of other persons.
You sin every time you post.

I'd say you have your hands full just being concerned with your own salvation since your understanding of the bible is incredibly
confused. You may not even be reformed in theology --- I don't think you know what you are.



Maybe YOU are dumb CS, being that you're a sheep of Jesus and you believe HE said that sheep are dumb.
What I'm saying is I'm not dumb.



This book:

John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

God wishes that ALL should come to be saved...
but not all will meet His conditions.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.



God is not fearful CS...
YOU are the fearful one.

Do you understand English?


There you go.
The monstrous God you serve.
You'll discuss this with Him at the time of your death.

YOU are MISREPRESTING God...
the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.



Oh. So NOW you say we DO need to fear God?
Make up your mind.
It's very confused.

And there's no need for you to reply.
It's impossible to have a decent discussion with someone who is not familiar with the NT teachings.

It's obvious we don't believe in the same God, so you will never convince me that your god exists. Just as I will never convince you to believe in the God of the bible.

 

[Christian Soldier]

That would be great, But your not really much better at believing the word of God.. You have your own false ideas of what Gods word says

You're entitled to express your opinion just as everyone else is. Everyone interprets the bible in a way that meets their expectations and their moral standards.

God is put on trial and most hate Him because He doesn't do thing their way. The problem we all face is, there is no arbiter to tell us who has the right or wrong interpretation.
We all run with our own private interpretation and hope we're on the winning side on judgement day, if we are on the winning side we get to go into eternal paradise but if we're not then we are cast into the lake of fire.

The problem with the bible is that there are 45,000 different interpretations, that's why we have 45,000 Christian Denominations. Each one claims to poses the correct interpretation, so the Church is not united and there's a lot of bad blood in the Church because of all the different interpretations.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Fair point. Where we differ is in the choice of the word "justice" as a descriptor of His attributes. It just doesn't fit. In fact, it's a terrible descriptor of someone who doesn't punish the sinners themselves, but rather punishes His innocent Son in their stead.

Let's not call a spade a football just because words fail us. I can't describe the smell of coffee. That doesn't warrant me describing it as smelling like roses.

I nearly fell off my chair reading this shocking statement "God doesn't punish sinners themselves, but rather punishes His innocent Son in their stead"
I find it hard to believe that you could make such a false statement as that. You must surely know that hell is more horrific than you could possibly imagine.

I'm sure you felt the pain of spilling hot water on you hand or touched something hot, now imagine swimming in red hot lava for all eternity and never reaching any shore to get out. So you don't believe that eternity in the lake of fire is sufficient punishment for a sinner.

Jesus only paid or the sins of Gods elect, the rest of mankind will pay for their own in hell.

I know we can't understand why God chose to save a small remnant for Himself. He should just throw all of us into the lake of fire because that's what we deserve. But we think He's not fair because He's not going to cast all of us into the lake of fire. Whilst I don't think He is fair or just, I'm extremely glad that he is not just, at the same time.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I said what the verse said, and I showed other passages that say the same (eg. Mt 18).

You have a tradition you follow that disallows you from believing these things, and you haven't been able to come up with any justification for rejecting my explanations.

What can I say? Go on your way.

I believe what Matt 18 says, I just don't believe your altered version where you add a bunch of your words over Gods Words. If you didn't twist the meaning of those scriptures and accepted them the way God intended, there would be no false doctrine to speak of

 

[Christian Soldier]

You're just wrong. It explicitly states it.

Romans 11
9You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly notg spare you either.

22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut from a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted into one that is cultivated, how much more readily will these, the natural branches,

Coming from the guy who believes in Total Depravity, this is rich.

Sorry I couldn't find anything in Romans 11 which would even vaguely suggest that unbelievers are grafted into the Body of Christ, without His knowledge and then Christ waking up one day and realizing that He has corruption in His body then has to amputate the members of His body which are corrupt.

Can you see how absurd it is to suggest that Christ is into self mutilation like some punk rockers are. I can assure you that Christ is not fooled by any corrupt man, so they will never sneak into His body and fool Him with their craftiness.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ex 32:33 as previously stated
Rev 3 says same

I have already debunked your interpretation of Ex 32:33 and rev 3 says nothing about a believers name been blotted out, so your dead wrong as usual. If the bible doesn't say something, don't add it in, or you will suffer the plagues mentioned in the book of revelation

 

[Christian Soldier]

I wouldn't encourage anyone to abandon confidence in God, which Monergism can grant, I'm only objecting to arriving at the confidence through a false argument, helpful as it may be.

The synergistic gospel has been well and truly exposed as being demonic doctrine. So I would urge you to reconsider Monogerstic gospel

 

[Christian Soldier]

What was it, in your view, that the Lord had sowed into the servants, which he expected to reap a harvest of, but which the lazy servant didn't yield a harvest?

He gave the servants the gospel, and some bought a hundred souls to the Lord and the lazy one bought none, so he was cast into the lake of fire. The gospel message is supposed to be shared with everyone we meet, the fact that the lazy servant didn't share the good news with anyone showed that he didn't place any value on the salvation of lost sinners.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Your view is Yehovah making in error. Your view is your opinion instead of scriptural fact. You apparently do not believe the hermeneutic principle that all scripture stands on, "No verse, passage, nor collection of verses can be correctly understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it." There are no stand-alone verses in Yehovahś Word to us.

You apparently do not believe the hermeneutic principle that all scripture stands on, "No verse, passage, nor collection of verses can be correctly understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it." There are no stand-alone verses in Yehovah’s Word to us.

 

[GracePeace]

He gave the servants the gospel, and some bought a hundred souls to the Lord and the lazy one bought none, so he was cast into the lake of fire. The gospel message is supposed to be shared with everyone we meet, the fact that the lazy servant didn't share the good news with anyone showed that he didn't place any value on the salvation of lost sinners.

1. You'd objected, before, that Jesus wasn't spiritually blind, and wouldn't trust sinners, but here you have Him entrusting a wicked person with, charging him to share, the Gospel.

2. What does it mean to be "given the Gospel"? What is the difference between a secular person who hears (is "given") the Gospel, or a religious person who hears (is "given") the Gospel, or a false brother who hears (is "given") the Gospel, or Christ's "true" disciples who hear (are "given") it?

3. In your view, is Christ "stupid", because He "wrongly" expected the servant to yield and increase of the talent given to him, and then sent the servant to torment only after learning that the servant did not act in accordance with His expectations? If the servant was just a normal guy, not a believer, why would Christ expect him to do good with His money He lent him, and punish him for failing? Is the Lord retarded, because He knew the guy was "wicked", yet entrusted him with His own money, which money He is zealous about seeing increase? We already have a precedent for a forgiven person (a believer, saved by faith) having forgiveness stripped from him on account of him not yielding a harvest of forgiveness toward others (the forgiveness being stripped must correspond with the faith being stripped, because forgiveness is through faith), so isn't it more likely that this is another parable warning of this reality?

 

[GracePeace]

Since you're repeating yourself, I will repeat the response I shared before

OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

If God reacted to something then it means that He didn't know about it or He didn't see it coming. That's not the God of the Bible, He knows everything, He sees everything at the same time, He see everything from the beginning of time to the end of time at this very moment, He is outside of...

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[th1b.taylor]

The above post is to GracePeace. I messed up formatting but here is the correct answer tp your incorrect view here.

 

[GracePeace]

The above post is to GracePeace. I messed up formatting but here is the correct answer tp your incorrect view here.

You've stated nothing new, so I repeat my response furnished to you earlier

OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

If God reacted to something then it means that He didn't know about it or He didn't see it coming. That's not the God of the Bible, He knows everything, He sees everything at the same time, He see everything from the beginning of time to the end of time at this very moment, He is outside of...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[GracePeace]

I believe what Matt 18 says, I just don't believe your altered version where you add a bunch of your words over Gods Words. If you didn't twist the meaning of those scriptures and accepted them the way God intended, there would be no false doctrine to speak of

Which words did I add?