OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[GracePeace]

Roman 11 never claims that Gentile unbelievers can be grafted in to the branch and then cut off as unbelievers. Can you see how ludicrous it is to suggest the unbelievers can sneak into the body of Christ and Christ not notice them breaking in. Nobody can become a member of Christs body, unless Christ choses them.
To suggest that Christ goes around choosing wicked men me to be members of His body is ridiculous. It means that Christ is gullible and fallible and foolish and He has no ability to discern good from evil.

God is not some long haired hippy going around making stupid mistakes and inviting evil into His body. That's the greatest to God that I've ever heard

He invited the unforgiving servant by forgiving him (Mt 18).
The guy had the righteousness of faith, because it is defined by King David as,

Romans 4
6And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7“Blessed are they whose lawless acts are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will not count against him.

Matthew 18
27His master had compassion on him, forgave his debt, and released him.
...
32Then the master summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave all your debt because you begged me. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’
...
35That is how My heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”

Before, you responded that the parable referred to money, and had no bearing on forgiving sins.
Is that the case? Is Jesus commanding believers to forgive monetary debts?
In context, Peter was asking how often he should forgive his brother's sins (vv21,22).
Obviously, the reality which the parabolic "forgiveness of debts" corresponds to is forgiveness of sins.
Jesus says to pray, "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors."
Is Jesus saying we owe God money? Hahahaha.

 

[GracePeace]

The synergistic gospel has been well and truly exposed as being demonic doctrine. So I would urge you to reconsider Monogerstic gospel

Matthew 18, the parable of the unforgiving servant, is, as I have proven, synergistic.

 

[GracePeace]

The synergistic gospel has been well and truly exposed as being demonic doctrine. So I would urge you to reconsider Monogerstic gospel

With all my heart, I wish I could be a Monergist.
It would be a lot easier than studying and honoring the plain truth of the Word, which is so hard to understand as to be impossible without God's intervention.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1. You'd objected, before, that Jesus wasn't spiritually blind, and wouldn't trust sinners, but here you have Him entrusting a wicked person with, charging him to share, the Gospel.

2. What does it mean to be "given the Gospel"? What is the difference between a secular person who hears (is "given") the Gospel, or a religious person who hears (is "given") the Gospel, or a false brother who hears (is "given") the Gospel, or Christ's "true" disciples who hear (are "given") it?

3. In your view, is Christ "stupid", because He "wrongly" expected the servant to yield and increase of the talent given to him, and then sent the servant to torment only after learning that the servant did not act in accordance with His expectations? If the servant was just a normal guy, not a believer, why would Christ expect him to do good with His money He lent him, and punish him for failing? Is the Lord retarded, because He knew the guy was "wicked", yet entrusted him with His own money, which money He is zealous about seeing increase? We already have a precedent for a forgiven person (a believer, saved by faith) having forgiveness stripped from him on account of him not yielding a harvest of forgiveness toward others (the forgiveness being stripped must correspond with the faith being stripped, because forgiveness is through faith), so isn't it more likely that this is another parable warning of this reality?

The parable justifies God casting sinners into hell, God allows them to dig their own grave so to speak. He gives them the same gospel message as everyone else, but they will never obey the gospel because it is foolishness to them. They are blind to the gospel message, they can't make sense of it.

Now, don't go accusing God of any unrighteousness. He is under no obligation to save anyone, if God didn't intervene into the lives of His elect, they too would remain dead in their trespasses and sin as those are who God didn't elect to salvation before the foundation of the world.

I'm not going to pretend to understand how God or why God chose who He chose and why He left the other dead min their sin. God never revealed that to anyone, because it's His personal business. He can do whatever He pleases with His things.

 

[GracePeace]

The parable justifies God casting sinners into hell, God allows them to dig their own grave so to speak. He gives them the same gospel message as everyone else, but they will never obey the gospel because it is foolishness to them. They are blind to the gospel message, they can't make sense of it.

Now, don't go accusing God of any unrighteousness. He is under no obligation to save anyone, if God didn't intervene into the lives of His elect, they too would remain dead in their trespasses and sin as those are who God didn't elect to salvation before the foundation of the world.

I'm not going to pretend to understand how God or why God chose who He chose and why He left the other dead min their sin. God never revealed that to anyone, because it's His personal business. He can do whatever He pleases with His things.

I use numbers so that my answers can be explicit, and be answered explicitly.
I do not run or hide.
Please answer the numbered points, point for point (1. ... 2. ... 3. ...).
It seems you're evading.

 

[GracePeace]

With all my heart, I wish I could be a Monergist.
It would be a lot easier than studying and honoring the plain truth of the Word, which is so hard to understand as to be impossible without God's intervention.

Romans 11
33Oh, the depth of the riches, [l]both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Which words did I add?

I'm not going back over plowed ground, I have consistently corrected you but you refuse to accept correction.

 

[GracePeace]

I'm not going back over plowed ground, I have consistently corrected you but you refuse to accept correction.

You've consistently vomited up gobbledygook.

Go your way. Hahaha

 

[th1b.taylor]

You've stated nothing new, so I repeat my response furnished to you earlier

OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

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And you have yet to do more than to walk, boldly, away from the Holy Word of God while strewing the litter of man made tradition. I have refuted your nonsence with Yehovah's Holy Word and you are walking away from The Father and towards the god of this world, the prince of the air. that old serpent. You have no scripture to stand on leaving you a Christian in name.

 

[GracePeace]

And you have yet to do more than to walk, boldly, away from the Holy Word of God while strewing the litter of man made tradition. I have refuted your nonsence with Yehovah's Holy Word and you are walking away from The Father and towards the god of this world, the prince of the air. that old serpent. You have no scripture to stand on leaving you a Christian in name.

LOL Sure, tell yourself that.

You reject God's Word to walk in your tradition.

God forgave the servant, then rescinded His forgiveness.

Can't change God's Word.

Go believe your emptiness. You don't have to pretend to "discuss" things here.
I can live with you not accepting what I'm saying what the Word says.

 

[Christian Soldier]

He invited the unforgiving servant by forgiving him (Mt 18).
The guy had the righteousness of faith, because it is defined by King David as,

Romans 4
6And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7“Blessed are they whose lawless acts are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will not count against him.

Matthew 18
27His master had compassion on him, forgave his debt, and released him.
...
32Then the master summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave all your debt because you begged me. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’
...
35That is how My heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”

Before, you responded that the parable referred to money, and had no bearing on forgiving sins.
Is that the case? Is Jesus commanding believers to forgive monetary debts?
In context, Peter was asking how often he should forgive his brother's sins (vv21,22).
Obviously, the reality which the parabolic "forgiveness of debts" corresponds to is forgiveness of sins.
Jesus says to pray, "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors."
Is Jesus saying we owe God money? Hahahaha.

I've never bothered with parables, as a believer they don't apply to me. All of the parables give a picture of God justly punishing sinners and I have no part in that as Christ took all my punishment upon Himself so I will never be punished for any of my past, present or future sins.

Jesus never spoke to His people in parables, so I take it they don't apply to me. I will tell you what they mean to me but they mean different things to different people. So it's not a one size fits all deal with parables.

 

[GracePeace]

I've never bothered with parables, as a believer they don't apply to me. All of the parables give a picture of God justly punishing sinners and I have no part in that as Christ took all my punishment upon Himself so I will never be punished for any of my past, present or future sins.

Jesus never spoke to His people in parables, so I take it they don't apply to me. I will tell you what they mean to me but they mean different things to different people. So it's not a one size fits all deal with parables.

LOL OK So, "now", your answer is that the parables are not binding on Christians.

Are you sure you're not a Muslim? I know, also, that some fake Christians cut Paul's letters out, and call him a false Apostle, because they think he disagrees with Jesus.

In order to preserve your tradition, you reject God's Word.
This is what I said to you before--you rejected the idea of rescinding forgiveness.
However, I had no idea you'd actually go this far!
It's good that you have to dissociate yourself from the parables, though.
At least it shows you acknowledge that the Words of Jesus are a threat to your tradition.

 

[Christian Soldier]

With all my heart, I wish I could be a Monergist.
It would be a lot easier than studying and honoring the plain truth of the Word, which is so hard to understand as to be impossible without God's intervention.

Yes the Word of God is impossible to understand, unless you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The worlds greatest scientific minds are baffled by Gods Word. They are incapable of comprehending it, yet a retarded person can so how do you explain that fact.
The truth is, if God doesn't give you the gift of His Holy Spirit, you will remain in a condemned state of confusion

 

[GracePeace]

Yes the Word of God is impossible to understand, unless you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The worlds greatest scientific minds are baffled by Gods Word. They are incapable of comprehending it, yet a retarded person can so how do you explain that fact.
The truth is, if God doesn't give you the gift of His Holy Spirit, you will remain in a condemned state of confusion

Yet you claim the Holy Spirit leads you to reject the Word of God, the parables... not sure you're qualified to tell me anything about the Word of God.

 

[Christian Soldier]

LOL OK So, "now", your answer is that the parables are not binding on Christians.

Are you sure you're not a Muslim? I know, also, that some fake Christians cut Paul's letters out, and call him a false Apostle, because they think he disagrees with Jesus.

In order to preserve your tradition, you reject God's Word.
This is what I said to you before--you rejected the idea of rescinding forgiveness.
However, I had no idea you'd actually go this far!
It's good that you have to dissociate yourself from the parables, though.
At least it shows you acknowledge that the Words of Jesus are a threat to your tradition.

May I suggest you find a faithful teacher of the bible and ask them to walk you through the basics.

You obviously don't know that Jesus said, "I don't speak to you in parables" but I speak in parables to them, lest they should understand and be saved. Notice, how Jesus doesn't want them to be saved????? yep just as I thought, you teacher never told you that did he. I would ask for my money back and give it to a faithful teacher who will give you value for money.

What I said went over you head, because I didn't reject Gods Word. I said a particular scripture wasn't describing me and you had a knee jerk reaction and took that as me rejecting Gods word. Your false accusation is foolish and it exposes your false doctrine big time.

 

[GracePeace]

May I suggest you find a faithful teacher of the bible and ask them to walk you through the basics.

You obviously don't know that Jesus said, "I don't speak to you in parables" but I speak in parables to them, lest they should understand and be saved. Notice, how Jesus doesn't want them to be saved????? yep just as I thought, you teacher never told you that did he. I would ask for my money back and give it to a faithful teacher who will give you value for money.

What I said went over you head, because I didn't reject Gods Word. I said a particular scripture wasn't describing me and you had a knee jerk reaction and took that as me rejecting Gods word. Your false accusation is foolish and it exposes your false doctrine big time.

1. Nope, Jesus spoke this parable to Peter and the disciples in response to Peter asking "How many times should I forgive my brother who sins against me?"

2. In the case of the Parable of the Sower, to which you refer, Jesus immediately turned around and broke the parable down to the disciples : the parables contain true teaching.
Jesus didn't turn around, like the Joker, rejoicing in destruction because He lied to the crowds.
He just DISGUISED His truth in parables.
This is "basic" truth your "teachers" apparently haven't taught you yet.
Again, He turns around and EXPLAINS the truth He hid in the parable.
This means the parables contain God's Truth.
You want to distance yourself from God's Truth.
I already knew that, of course--you reject the idea God rescinds forgiveness.
Now you completely dissociate yourself from the parables.
A very pleasing result--you outing yourself like that.
Hahahaha
You can repent when ever you please--or just walk away.

 

[GracePeace]

May I suggest you find a faithful teacher of the bible and ask them to walk you through the basics.

You obviously don't know that Jesus said, "I don't speak to you in parables" but I speak in parables to them, lest they should understand and be saved. Notice, how Jesus doesn't want them to be saved????? yep just as I thought, you teacher never told you that did he. I would ask for my money back and give it to a faithful teacher who will give you value for money.

What I said went over you head, because I didn't reject Gods Word. I said a particular scripture wasn't describing me and you had a knee jerk reaction and took that as me rejecting Gods word. Your false accusation is foolish and it exposes your false doctrine big time.

No one is forcing you to pretend to discuss anything with me.

Go believe what ever pleases you.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1. Nope, Jesus spoke this parable to Peter and the disciples in response to Peter asking "How many times should I forgive my brother who sins against me?"

2. In the case of the Parable of the Sower, to which you refer, Jesus immediately turned around and broke the parable down to the disciples : the parables contain true teaching.
Jesus didn't turn around, like the Joker, rejoicing in destruction because He lied to the crowds.
He just DISGUISED His truth in parables.
This is "basic" truth your "teachers" apparently haven't taught you yet.
Again, He turns around and EXPLAINS the truth He hid in the parable.
This means the parables contain God's truth.

Jesus gave the Disciples the full story of the parable, not because they need to hear it or know it but because they were privileged to get the inside information which those on the outside weren't privileged to know.

None of the parables are given as some kind of instruction or commandments, they were simply Jesus telling people, "this is what happens when you do X Y and Z. They were never given in a way that says you musty do this, they were always optional. It was up to the hearer to make whatever he wants of them. They don't mean the same thing to me as they do to you. See how that works???

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yet you claim the Holy Spirit leads you to reject the Word of God, the parables... not sure you're qualified to tell me anything about the Word of God.

I don't need the parables, I know of them but they don't apply to me. So I'm not rejecting Gods Word because the parables you speak of weren't directed at me.
I have bigger fish to fry.

 

[th1b.taylor]

LOL Sure, tell yourself that.

You reject God's Word to walk in your tradition.

God forgave the servant, then rescinded His forgiveness.

Can't change God's Word.

Go believe your emptiness. You don't have to pretend to "discuss" things here.
I can live with you not accepting what I'm saying what the Word says.

Sorry, that is in no way true and it is not supported by the context of scripture. Yehovah knew that I would be saved and recorded my name in the Book of Life, the book where no recorded name shall ever be blotted out but you read into the text that He got the servant's salvation wrong and had to blot it out, NOPE, 'TAINT TRUE!