OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Dan Clarkston]

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away

Yes, which ONLY applies to those who abide IN CHRIST walking after the Spirit not the flesh

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, which ONLY applies to those who abide IN CHRIST walking after the Spirit not the flesh

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

A Born Again is in the Spirit of Christ..our spirit has been Born Again...so no...we aren’t in the flesh were in the spirit...biblical..

Once Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...we can never ever be un- birthed.

Show us where a Born Again can be un- birthed from the Spirit of God?

We have been Born Of God’s seed...that’s His Living seed, the Living Witness Of God His Living Holy Spirit.

Who else can witness Gods truth to our heart/ spirit ?

Do you understand that a Born Again is Alive in the Spirit?

The Holy Spirit is Alive in our spirit?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, that comes by divine revelation....you can’t erase the Spirit of God from our heart/ spirit ....impossible...Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

Where does that seed liveth and abideth forever?

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

A Born Again is in the Spirit of Christ..our spirit has been Born Again...so no...we aren’t in the flesh were in the spirit

So, if one gets born again and goes back to living in sin, walking after the flesh... you think that's all good with the Lord and He embraces their sin?

That's not what God's Word teaches... unless one is a cherry picker who picks and chooses when verse they decide to believe and then throw the rest of God's Word in the trash which is what the OSAS peoples do.

You people are even embracing so called "gay christians" claiming they can live in opposition to the Lord and commit abomination unto the Lord and still be in right standing with the Lord.

Don't let what the Lord says in His Word stand in the way of what you believe now

 

[Dan Clarkston]

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Now of the rest of that is applicable to those who walk after the flesh because in doing so they have turned their back on the Lord and have forsaken Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

So, if one gets born again and goes back to living in sin, walking after the flesh... you think that's all good with the Lord and He embraces their sin?

That's not what God's Word teaches... unless one is a cherry picker who picks and chooses when verse they decide to believe and then throw the rest of God's Word in the trash which is what the OSAS peoples do.

You people are even embracing so called "gay christians" claiming they can live in opposition to the Lord and commit abomination unto the Lord and still be in right standing with the Lord.

Don't let what the Lord says in His Word stand in the way of what you believe now

Show me using scripture that a Born Again sins....they don’t..we have been Born Of God’s seed.

You add to Gods word, we also don’t get Born Again, not biblical.

 

[Ritajanice]

Now of the rest of that is applicable to those who walk after the flesh because in doing so they have turned their back on the Lord and have forsaken Him.

You have taken one verse of scripture completely out of context and made it say what you want it to say...
You need all of that scripture to understand what God is saying...your post makes no sense...therefore void of Gods truth.

How did you become Born Of God’s seed?

What is your testimony?

What does Born Again mean?..please explain?...I have asked you to explain this a few times?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Show me using scripture that a Born Again sins....they don’t..we have been Born Of God’s seed.

You add to Gods word, we also don’t get Born Again, not biblical.

Do you still pray the Lord's Prayer though?

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you still pray the Lord's Prayer though?

Why would I do that.

I am Born Again , I repented once and once only, even then it was the Lord who brought me to repentance...do you continually repent?

I am led by the Spirit...not by “ self”.

Why do you pray the Lord’s Prayer and how do you know the Lord?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

we also don’t get Born Again, not biblical.

Thank you for that... this lets everyone know you are speaking in behalf of satan seeing to are in direct opposition to what Jesus Christ said which is:

John 3:3
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Now we know for sure you don't have the true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... if you did, you would not be speaking against what Jesus said.

You have taken one verse of scripture completely out of context and made it say what you want it to say...

That's rich coming from someone who claims we don't have to be born again to enter the Lord's Kingdom when Jesus specifically said we do. REPENT and Do better!

I am led by the Spirit...not by “ self”.

That's rich coming from someone who claims we don't have to be born again to enter the Lord's Kingdom when Jesus specifically said we do. REPENT and Do better!

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you for that... this lets everyone know you are speaking in behalf of satan seeing to are in direct opposition to what Jesus Christ said which is:

John 3:3
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Now we know for sure you don't have the true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... if you did, you would not be speaking against what Jesus said.

Jesus did not say the words “ we get “ Born Again...we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.....show me where the word say “ we get” Born Again?

That's rich coming from someone who claims we don't have to be born again to enter the Lord's Kingdom when Jesus specifically said we do. REPENT and Do better!

I never said that we don’t have to be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

I said...Jesus never said “ we get” Born Again, not biblical..” we get”.

That's rich coming from someone who claims we don't have to be born again to enter the Lord's Kingdom when Jesus specifically said we do. REPENT and Do better!

You still haven’t given your testimony on how you became Born Again by divine revelation..?

Do you understand divine revelation, it’s biblical?

How else can we be Born Of God’s seed other than by divine revelation?

How do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected..just by reading it...you need much more than that ...understanding the death and resurrection of Jesus can only come by divine revelation.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....

He said "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

You say "we also don’t get Born Again, not biblical"

Jesus is correct and you are incorrect. Nuff said.

Here's what Jesus said by the Spirit thru the Apostle Paul:

Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Notice God's Word specifically says we must confess with our mouth and believe in our heart in order to be saved speaking of being born again... and with the heart MAN believes unto right standing and it's MAN that confesses with his mouth that Jesus is their Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

He said "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

You say "we also don’t get Born Again, not biblical"

Jesus is correct and you are incorrect. Nuff said.

Here's what Jesus said by the Spirit thru the Apostle Paul:

Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Notice God's Word specifically says we must confess with our mouth and believe in our heart in order to be saved speaking of being born again... and with the heart MAN believes unto right standing and it's MAN that confesses with his mouth that Jesus is their Lord.

Jesus did not say “ we get” Born Again...and still I wait for your testimony on how you became Born Of God’s seed?

By what means did you become Born Again?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Jesus did not say “ we get” Born Again...

Those that don't accept God's Word would make that claim.

God does not make someone born again without their involvement

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Man must come to God and believe...

and still I wait for your testimony

People in hell want ice water too!

You don't always get what you want, but you get what you need in this case which is... what God says in His Word.

 

[Ritajanice]

Those that don't accept God's Word would make that claim.

God does not make someone born again without their involvement

Wrong...Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit ..is the one who gives us the spiritual rebirth...we have no say in the matter..we are Born Of The Spirit...the human will plays no part in the rebirth ...

As we were already chosen and predestined to become Born Again.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Man must come to God and believe...

How can you believe in God without God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit.witnessing that truth to our heart/ spirit..when we are gifted faith and become Born Of The Spirit.

People in hell want ice water too!

You don't always get what you want, but you get what you need in this case which is... what God says in His Word.

God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

So how do you know that your spirit is Born Again?...still waiting for that testimony?

 

[Christian Soldier]

But it must be truth

This statment itself is proud. You state your truth is the truth, while mocking them, then appearing to be above reproach while in essence slandering them (their truth is a lie)

thats why this is so funny, and I always get my popcorn out..

I never made any statements to suggest that my truth is the truth. I' not defending my truth, as I'm not the truth. Jesus said "I am the truth", so I'm defending His truth and the truth of His gospel.

I'm not interested in anyone's private opinion, about the truth. I'm happy to consider other views regarding the gospel message, as long as those views are supported by the Bible. But I have seen from the proponents of Arminianism, is they pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and twist their meaning to fit their false theology.

Arminians can't defend their false doctrine, when they are confronted with scriptures which oppose their theology. they always resort to attacking the person who exposes them or they may refer to unrelated verses of scripture and misrepresent them in a vein attempt to defend their religious view.

 

[Ritajanice]

they always resort to attacking the person who exposes them or they may refer to unrelated verses of scripture and misrepresent them in a vein attempt to defend their religious view

Amen!..or even accuse us of being a Calvinist,LOL.. yet can’t support their accusations that they accuse us of, by using scripture...I have to laugh when they bring up the Calvin card.....deflection I’m afraid.

 

[face2face]

There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers mixed together within these various churches.

Surely you can see how a NOSAS believer would read this and welcome you to the truth?

 

[face2face]

Jesus points out the lifeless state of the church in Sardis - "..you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." (Revelation 3:1) This church may have had a name of being alive, but they were spiritually lifeless. In other words, the church was filled with unsaved people going through the motions of religion who needed to wake up and repent in CONTRAST with a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Jesus in white.

*White garments are mentioned elsewhere in Revelation. The church at Laodicea mentions white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed. (Revelation 3:18). The 24 elders wear white garments (Revelation 4:4). The martyrs waiting for God’s judgment are given white robes to wear (Revelation 6:11). The armies appearing with the Messiah also wear white and clean linen (Revelation 19:14). The great multitude of the saved in Revelation 7:14 wear robes made white in the red blood of the Lamb. The color paradox makes the point and implies that the color white stands for God’s people made spiritually pure and justified by Jesus’ blood. That means the few in Sardis who were given white robes had been made right and just before God.

This is hard for you mailman, I see that. You know OSAS is not a doctrine Christ teaches and you also know its not the encouragement these churches needed to remain in him. Probation and works is also lacking in your response, which means you are not in sync with your Lord, or appreciate the expectations he has on his disciples.

There was a need for the church to hold fast to that which it had, and to "repent." This shows you the need for ongoing repentence is essential for salvaton. This word, metanoeo signifies to change one's mind and purpose. It urges a different outlook and walk. God requires more than sorrow; He desires action! OSAS is an afront to Him.

There is a warning threat in these words. They imply that the church would be visited with divine judgment in consequence of its spiritual apathy. Evidently this took place, for there is no church in Sardis today. How the warning was fulfilled is not revealed; but in some way, Christ influenced the course of Sardian history, and this church of repute became defunct. Sardis itself, once the wealthiest city of the world, is today but an ignoble village.

At the time there was a little strength, and Yahweh was not unmindful of it 2 Tim. 2:17-19.

On the Garment I will send through a short consideration for you to work through privately.

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I never made any statements to suggest that my truth is the truth. I' not defending my truth, as I'm not the truth. Jesus said "I am the truth", so I'm defending His truth and the truth of His gospel.

I'm not interested in anyone's private opinion, about the truth. I'm happy to consider other views regarding the gospel message, as long as those views are supported by the Bible. But I have seen from the proponents of Arminianism, is they pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context and twist their meaning to fit their false theology.

Arminians can't defend their false doctrine, when they are confronted with scriptures which oppose their theology. they always resort to attacking the person who exposes them or they may refer to unrelated verses of scripture and misrepresent them in a vein attempt to defend their religious view.

Well there are no arminians here, So you just proved my point..

thank you