OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[mailmandan]

Correct, my mind is made up on a balanced approach taking care to provide all the warnings, as we know, to crucify the flesh is far from easy and it requires disciplines which are seen in Christ... to be emulated. Your doctrine doesn’t align with the Lords words, which is why I took it upon myself to correct your understanding. Even now you are reluctant to discuss the Lords words to the Seven Churches, as you know all the language there doesn’t map to your statements of belief.

I've asked myself “Is it kind to shatter a person’s hope of salvation?” The answer for me is, “Yes, because without scriptural grounds it is nothing more than a false hope.”

That is what you are offering mailman, false hope. False hopes will not help anyone regardless of how earnest they might be; Esau “sought the blessing with tears” but to no avail (Heb 12:17).

Repentance itself is a starting requirement for salvation - the work of being saved is one of enduring till the end. How does OSAS help if they are led to believe they are saved when they might not be? I actually wouldn't want that on my conscience - deceiving someone into a false sense of security through false hope.

That is why the Word of God is for correction in Righteousness - a correction you have failed to receive.

F2F

You are not my judge and I don't give anyone false hope. I'm aware of all the IF's and warnings in Scripture. OSAS is true IF you are truly saved to begin with. Perseverance is a confirmation of that. The main problem I see is not a loss of salvation for genuine born again Christians but a false hope for pseudo Christians who are mixed in with the group and out number genuine Christians by far.

 

[BlessedPeace]

@mailmandan , @Ritajanice ,
I unignored the bridge dweller.

I suggest you stop feeding mana into the bowels of Hell. Report them instead. They're escalating in their demonic vitriol against Christians here.

 

[Ritajanice]

@mailmandan , @Ritajanice ,
I unignored the bridge dweller.

I suggest you stop feeding mana into the bowels of Hell. Report them instead. They're escalating in their demonic vitriol against Christians here.

Yes, I agree I have put all 3 on ignore...

 

[BlessedPeace]

Now you’re a liar. Because I have told yu and others what I believe.

Your just a troll

Just realized that did ya?
They're not alone here. In fact I think they're face 2 face with us too.

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 12:3​

“Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.”


Only Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit can witness the truth of Jesus ...to our heart/ spirit....you can’t believe in Jesus without the Spirit testifying that truth to our heart/ spirit by divine revelation

 

[Dan Clarkston]

As we were already chosen and predestined to become Born Again.

That's false calvinist doctrine that came from the darkened mind of blind mankind with help from demons.

One must ignore God's Word to be a follower of the false teacher John Calvin

How can you believe in God without God’s witness

How can you believe in a false god that supposedly decides to send the majority of people he creates to hell... before he ever created them?

The god of calvinism is actually satan seeing he twists what God actually says in His Word.

Following calvin instead of Jesus Christ will end badly. You have been informed.

 

[face2face]

You are not my judge and I don't give anyone false hope. I'm aware of all the IF's and warnings in Scripture.

Being aware is not enough mailman. And acknowledging removes OSAS.

OSAS is true IF you are truly saved to begin with.

So "you" say.

Perseverance is a confirmation of that. The main problem I see is not a loss of salvation for genuine born again Christians but a false hope for pseudo Christians who are mixed in with the group and out number genuine Christians by far.

What you have struggled to communicate is how OSAS applies to them and how that message is irrelevant to their situation. Again we come full circle stating the need for a balance complete message which OSAS cannot provide.

You contradict yourself in saying you don't give false hope when you acknowledge pseudo Christians. Further to this what if your doctrine is false? Where does that place you?

F2F

 

[Stumpmaster]

@Ritajanice

Saints are not incapable of sinning, as shown in these verses:

Heb 12:5-11 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons, "My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked by Him; (6) for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and He scourges every son whom He receives." (7) If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father does not chasten? (8) But if you are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. (9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh who corrected us, and we gave them reverence. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? (10) For truly they chastened us for a few days according to their own pleasure, but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. (11) Now chastening for the present does not seem to be joyous, but grievous. Nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who are exercised by it.

Please Note: I don't respond to questions regarding my salvation. That is between God and me. Some forums forbid accusations and insinuations that members are not saved. Such ad hominem fallacies are akin to gaslighting.

 

[face2face]

@Ritajanice

Saints are not incapable of sinning, as shown in these verses:

Heb 12:5-11 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons, "My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked by Him; (6) for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and He scourges every son whom He receives." (7) If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father does not chasten? (8) But if you are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. (9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh who corrected us, and we gave them reverence. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? (10) For truly they chastened us for a few days according to their own pleasure, but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. (11) Now chastening for the present does not seem to be joyous, but grievous. Nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who are exercised by it.

Please Note: I don't respond to questions regarding my salvation. That is between God and me. Some forums forbid accusations and insinuations that members are not saved. Such ad hominem fallacies are akin to gaslighting.

This is a lovely section of Scripture one which certainly leans in to our "act of freewill" to be disciplined by Him. I often ask Him to do so knowing it may not be pleasant but needful to enter His Kingdom on Earth.
F2F

 

[JunChosen]

That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh, that which is born in spirit (spirit) is spirit.

I beg to differ. That which is born of flesh, is flesh and blood. And that which is born of spirit is spirit, which cannot be seen by naked eyes. Flesh and blood will never inherit the Kingdom of God.

How can you believe in a false god that supposedly decides to send the majority of people he creates to hell... before he ever created them?

You will NEVER find words such as you have stated above!! People go to hell BECAUSE they are sinners and are sinners by nature!!
"The wages of sin (singular) is death."

Following calvin instead of Jesus Christ will end badly. You have been informed

So you have been forewarned.

Without Calvin and the Reformers, salvation would never have been realized.

Today in Christendom many are being taught that to accept and believe in Jesus is the norm for salvation, yet to accept and believe in Jesus is a works Gospel..

Actually, this is the teachings of Arminius!! However; Scripture declares in Romans 3:10-12:
10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

If there is none that seeks after God, who then can be saved??
NADA, ZJLCH, NO ONE

To God Be The Glory

 

[face2face]

I beg to differ. That which is born of flesh, is flesh and blood. And that which is born of spirit is spirit, which cannot be seen by naked eyes. Flesh and blood will never inherit the Kingdom of God.

You will NEVER find words such as you have stated above!! People go to hell BECAUSE they are sinners and are sinners by nature!!
"The wages of sin (singular) is death."

So you have been forewarned.

Without Calvin and the Reformers, salvation would never have been realized.

Today in Christendom many are being taught that to accept and believe in Jesus is the norm for salvation, yet to accept and believe in Jesus is a works Gospel..

Actually, this is the teachings of Arminius!! However; Scripture declares in Romans 3:10-12:
10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

If there is none that seeks after God, who then can be saved??
NADA, ZJLCH, NO ONE

To God Be The Glory

Cont...

3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 3:20 For no one is declared righteous before him by the works of the law, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God (which is attested by the law and the prophets) has been disclosed—3:22 namely, the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ for all who believe Ro 3:19–22.

Salvation is an act of ones free will toward God through the Lord Jesus Christ. It is all who believe (in the things concerning the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God on Earth) and remain in this teaching will be redeemed.

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice

Saints are not incapable of sinning, as shown in these verses:

Heb 12:5-11 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons, "My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked by Him; (6) for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and He scourges every son whom He receives." (7) If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father does not chasten? (8) But if you are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. (9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh who corrected us, and we gave them reverence. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? (10) For truly they chastened us for a few days according to their own pleasure, but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. (11) Now chastening for the present does not seem to be joyous, but grievous. Nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who are exercised by it.

Who said we weren’t without sin?

Once we are Born Of God’s seed just as his word says...

1 John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Please Note: I don't respond to questions regarding my salvation. That is between God and me. Some forums forbid accusations and insinuations that members are not saved. Such ad hominem fallacies are akin to gaslighting.

A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Of God’s Seed.

Which comes by divine revelation.

No point posting scripture, if you can’t explain what it means to be Born Again.?

Anyone can post scripture from their “ own” understanding, which I believe you do..

I didn’t ask you questions regarding your salvation...I asked you how you came to know Jesus..?

How do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?...that’s not questioning your salvation?

How do you know that God truly exists and is a “ LIVING SPIRIT “?...or do you think God is contained in the penned word?

God is everywhere and very much Alive in Spirit....who do you think sustains the heaven and earth?

Where in the Bible does it say God sustains the world?
Colossians 1:17, “And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” He's before all things in both time, and in all superiority. In fact, that which sustains all things in none other than our Lord Jesus Christ. He upholds his creation moment by moment, both in whole and in all its parts.

If you quote scripture as you do..you need to back it up with a testimony....do you actually think the Bible is Jesus?

We know God in our heart/ spirit...by divine revelation...

 

[BlessedPeace]

That's false calvinist doctrine that came from the darkened mind of blind mankind with help from demons.

One must ignore God's Word to be a follower of the false teacher John Calvin




How can you believe in a false god that supposedly decides to send the majority of people he creates to hell... before he ever created them?

The god of calvinism is actually satan seeing he twists what God actually says in His Word.

Following calvin instead of Jesus Christ will end badly. You have been informed.

You haven't.
You don't study nor comprehend context as related to Scripture.

The OT is the foundation of the New.

Leave John Calvin out of this. Scripture sustains what you label Demonic.

 

[face2face]

You haven't.
You don't study nor comprehend context as related to Scripture.

The OT is the foundation of the New.

Leave John Calvin out of this. Scripture sustains what you label Demonic.

If only more Christians understood that truth we would have less error and more truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I beg to differ. That which is born of flesh, is flesh and blood. And that which is born of spirit is spirit, which cannot be seen by naked eyes. Flesh and blood will never inherit the Kingdom of God.

This is just another way of saying what I said. If you look, I think we both agree here

You will NEVER find words such as you have stated above!! People go to hell BECAUSE they are sinners and are sinners by nature!!
"The wages of sin (singular) is death."

I looked at his words. And I do not understand your response. What words?

Yes the wage of sin is death, Whoever does not believe is condemned already. Why?

They were not born again, Jesus made it possible for them to be saved, but they rejected him

So you have been forewarned.

Without Calvin and the Reformers, salvation would never have been realized.

So your saying that the truth of the gospel was hidden for 1500 Years? (In reality it would be from the begining of time but lets just go with this)

Today in Christendom many are being taught that to accept and believe in Jesus is the norm for salvation, yet to accept and believe in Jesus is a works Gospel..

No it is not. There is the heresy. It is not work to trust completely in someone else to do the word to save you. You work to earn salvation when you are actually doing things like christian religion or ceremony or obeying commands or whatever..

Trusting in your savior is not earning your salvation.

Actually, this is the teachings of Arminius!! However; Scripture declares in Romans 3:10-12:

WHO CARES WHAT ARMINIUS TOUGHT???

can you people ever just stop and look at what people say? Has your leaders brainwashed you all to look at everything as if your either calvinist or arminian?

10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

If there is none that seeks after God, who then can be saved??
NADA, ZJLCH, NO ONE

To God Be The Glory

Because God seeks us, and he draws us to him (the light) and he tells us to be a light so he can use us to draw people to him. Then you have the HS who convicts and teaches.

Thats how people come to God. Not through their own will. Or their own power. But through God.

This arminian vs calvin war is for the birds. How many people will be lost because they can not get past this war..

 

[Taken]

Too bad the OSAS people can't get past their pride.

How many times has the Lords Salvation Failed to Save you?

 

[face2face]

How many times has the Lords Salvation Failed to Save you?

Why would you cast doubt on the Lord when it is he who prays for you Luke 22:31
It's more than likely you don't know the fight.

 

[Taken]

Why would you cast doubt on the Lord when it is he who prays for you Luke 22:31
It's more than likely you don't know the fight.

I cast ZERO doubt on the Lord.
My question was addressed to YOU, about YOU

 

[face2face]

I cast ZERO doubt on the Lord.
My question was addressed YOU, about YOU

Exactly right.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I cast ZERO doubt on the Lord.
My question was addressed YOU, about YOU

Got to love it when they preach doubt, then claim we doubt.

They do not understand their own argument