OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Reggie Belafonte]

1. We can't know who God chose to save, before He created the world. Everybody thought the thief on the cross was going to hell, but he became a born again Christian in the last moments of his life. He didn't get the chance to study the bible or be baptized. So yes, only God knows who His elect are.
We can only know if someone is lost if they're on their death bed and their last words are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

2. We all have to pray that God leads us to find a Church, where the Word of God is faithfully proclaimed. Sadly there are not many Christ centered Churches around, but they are out there and God does lead His children to them. No Church is perfect, because it's made up of imperfect members, so we need to be careful not to be judgmental.

3. We can't expect to only have fellowship with Elders and Deacons and new people who look clean on the outside. We know that Jesus saved prostitutes, thieves and all kinds of sinners.
New converts are hard to get along with because they still have their bad habits, some are still drinking alcohol or abusing drugs. Some still fornicate, some still steal. But the point is, they have just begun a journey of change, where God is working to cleanse them.
The work of sanctification continues for the rest of our lives, we never cease to sin in this life. So we need to forgive others, just as God has forgiven us, because everybody is being sanctified and cleansed and everybody is at different stages of maturity.

4. "Strive to enter" is not given as a commandment to humanity. It is given as advice to Gods Children, so we don't rest on our loreals. Every single one of Gods Children were saved before the world was created, but God still wants us to obey the gospel. We are not robots, so we still need to walk the walk.

5. Your spot on, all saved people are saved by the grace of God. So nobody should add any other conditions to salvation.

6. The parable of the different soils, is speaking about the different kinds of people. The seed is always the same but the soils (people) are all different, so each one has a different effect on the seed.
This proves that people are saved before they receive the seed, because everyone will receive the seed (gospel). The seed is the gospel, but those who God did not elect to save before He created the world cannot receive the seed (gospel) because it is foolishness to them.
The elect of God are the good soil, the rest are of the world. I know most Christians rejects what God said about the doctrine of election and predestination. We all start out, having trouble embracing that bible doctrine, but when we realize that God is sovereign over all things, including salvation. Then it becomes clear to us and we have no argument against it.

1/ God wants everyone to become Saved in fact.
As for the thief on the Cross, most likely was water baptised i would say and a Jew, so he would know better than just some ignorant dolt would, so why try to make out that the Thief was just some stupid dolt ? I think that he had some faith in Jesus before hand and on the cross his opinion was for Jesus. so he was rejecting this world ?
Fact is that all people are Lost in fact, untill they are born again ! you must be born again, that's a fact regardless and everyone has that ability but for the temptations of this world that is as Jesus said is Full of Deceptions and Delusions !

2/ fine.

3/ Sure.

4/ If one does not strive one is dead to the Holy Spirit in fact, No one is Saved untill you are truly born again in fact !
If people were Saved befor hand their would be no need for Jesus would their ? you are saying that the Devil was Saved befor hand ? or created that way ? you have a diffrent gods ?

6/ No ! It's not talking about diferent soils at all !
When one hears the word it falls on ? regards in how the Bible explaines it in fact ! some can not take root ? but can spring up but does not endure for it is not just as you would have a Garden ? you as a gardener would or should know how to plant such to take root ? not just toss the seed out into the weeds like ? so when this seed takes root it also has the care to guide it to spring up healthy and you keep the weeds at bay ? water it when needed ?

In the Vinyard story, remember that one ? God had let it out, but they took it over for themselves and killed all of Gods Prophets, then God sent his only begotten Son ! then that Mob killed him ? Then they got vomited out of the Land in fact !

Now the murders who took the Vinyard for themselves and rejected God's Propthets, this is the Mob, for are they claim the election and predestination ? i am sure that they claim such, now don't they ! for they claim to be the predestened people regardless ? for they are the ones who is pointed out by Jesus, who were of their father. who was a murderer and full of lies from the begining ? Ring a Bell ?

People are not pre destined at all in fact for that's a Lie !
Only the Devil would make such a claim in fact !
Remember that the Devil predestined himself, claiming to Jesus that he could give him the whole world ! But Jesus pulled that rug out from under him directly and the poor Devil himself came arse up directly. for he had nothing over Jesus, Nothing !

Predestined BS ! Ego driven hogwash ! Hitler Stalin and all such evil morons claimed that crap ! and fools swallowed it all in fact.
Predestined ! that's a good one ! haha.
I am Predestined who makes such a claim ? did Holy Moses ? No !

 

[Christian Soldier]

Well there are no arminians here, So you just proved my point..

thank you

They may not admit it but they surely are exactly that. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Your one of the most devout Armenians here, but your in denial. I don't blame you for not owning your theology, as it's not supported by the Bible. But there's no point in denying the obvious, it just makes you look disingenuous.

There are not many here who hold to the true gospel, because it's very awful. It leaves proud people naked and ashamed, so I can understand why most run to the Arminian gospel of comfort, which affirms everyone to be saved by their filthy rags works.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They may not admit it but they surely are exactly that. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Your one of the most devout Armenians here, but your in denial.

here is what the truth is, The truth is you are so brainwashed by your calvin theology that you think everyone against you is an arminian.

Either way it does not matter, You proved my point, yet once again.

I don't blame you for not owning your theology,

You do not even know what my theology is.

as it's not supported by the Bible.

Again You do not know what it is so you can’t make this claim. But it does not matter once again, you proved my point. Thank you..

But there's no point in denying the obvious, it just makes you look disingenuous.

There are not many here who hold to the true gospel, because it's very awful. It leaves proud people naked and ashamed, so I can understand why most run to the Arminian gospel of comfort, which affirms everyone to be saved by their filthy rags works.

lol.. I will let you ramble on..

Good luck with your “false humility”

 

[Christian Soldier]

1/ God wants everyone to become Saved in fact.
As for the thief on the Cross, most likely was water baptised i would say and a Jew, so he would know better than just some ignorant dolt would, so why try to make out that the Thief was just some stupid dolt ? I think that he had some faith in Jesus before hand and on the cross his opinion was for Jesus. so he was rejecting this world ?
Fact is that all people are Lost in fact, untill they are born again ! you must be born again, that's a fact regardless and everyone has that ability but for the temptations of this world that is as Jesus said is Full of Deceptions and Delusions !

2/ fine.

3/ Sure.

4/ If one does not strive one is dead to the Holy Spirit in fact, No one is Saved untill you are truly born again in fact !
If people were Saved befor hand their would be no need for Jesus would their ? you are saying that the Devil was Saved befor hand ? or created that way ? you have a diffrent gods ?

6/ No ! It's not talking about diferent soils at all !
When one hears the word it falls on ? regards in how the Bible explaines it in fact ! some can not take root ? but can spring up but does not endure for it is not just as you would have a Garden ? you as a gardener would or should know how to plant such to take root ? not just toss the seed out into the weeds like ? so when this seed takes root it also has the care to guide it to spring up healthy and you keep the weeds at bay ? water it when needed ?

In the Vinyard story, remember that one ? God had let it out, but they took it over for themselves and killed all of Gods Prophets, then God sent his only begotten Son ! then that Mob killed him ? Then they got vomited out of the Land in fact !

Now the murders who took the Vinyard for themselves and rejected God's Propthets, this is the Mob, for are they claim the election and predestination ? i am sure that they claim such, now don't they ! for they claim to be the predestened people regardless ? for they are the ones who is pointed out by Jesus, who were of their father. who was a murderer and full of lies from the begining ? Ring a Bell ?

People are not pre destined at all in fact for that's a Lie !
Only the Devil would make such a claim in fact !
Remember that the Devil predestined himself, claiming to Jesus that he could give him the whole world ! But Jesus pulled that rug out from under him directly and the poor Devil himself came arse up directly. for he had nothing over Jesus, Nothing !

Predestined BS ! Ego driven hogwash ! Hitler Stalin and all such evil morons claimed that crap ! and fools swallowed it all in fact.
Predestined ! that's a good one ! haha.
I am Predestined who makes such a claim ? did Holy Moses ? No !

OK, I now see you don't believe what God said so your claiming that God is a liar. You say Gods Word is BS, so I have to make a choice to believe you or God because one of you is a liar and I have to take Gods side.

I thought you knew the basic facts about the bible, but it appears that you know nothing at all, you can't even understand the simple message in the parable of the Seed and the Sower.

You reject the bible doctrine of predestination and election to salvation. You are nowhere near the truth, I would recommend you join a beginners bible study, so you can learn the basics before you dive into deep theology and make yourself look silly.

The three verses below, destroy your false doctrine, they expose your ignorance of Gods Word.

Ephesians 1:4
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

 

[Christian Soldier]

here is what the truth is, The truth is you are so brainwashed by your calvin theology that you think everyone against you is an arminian.

Either way it does not matter, You proved my point, yet once again.

You do not even know what my theology is.

Again You do not know what it is so you can’t make this claim. But it does not matter once again, you proved my point. Thank you..

lol.. I will let you ramble on..

Good luck with your “false humility”

Thank you so much for confirming what I always suspected. The only people who are ashamed of their theology are the Arminans. And since you have always refused to disclose what you actually believe, puts you squarely in their camp.

I'm a member of the Local Reformed Church, which is a branch of the Body of Christ. I'm not ashamed of being a member of the Body of Christ. Reformed Theology has stood firm for 500 years and nobody has ever found a single fault with it, so we can conclude that it's biblically sound.

I'm not proud to be a member of a biblical Church, it's an honor to have been saved and added to the body of Christ through a local Church / branch. We don't boast in anyone apart from our Lord who chose us and saved us from our sin.

You have never ever ever ever ever, found a single fault with Reformed theology or even Calvinism for that matter. So until you find a fault, I'll take your criticism as slander.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Why would I do that.

I am Born Again , I repented once and once only, even then it was the Lord who brought me to repentance...do you continually repent?

I am led by the Spirit...not by “ self”.

Why do you pray the Lord’s Prayer and how do you know the Lord?

It's not a sin the obey the Lord's teachings and commands.
Christians repeatedly sin against me when their fleshly nature rises up, and then I do what the Bible and Jesus says to do.

Mat 18:15-17 But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. (16) But if he will not hear you, take one or two more with you, so that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you as a heathen and a tax-collector.

Mat 18:21-22 Then Peter came to Him and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Until seven times? (22) Jesus said to him, I do not say to you, Until seven times; but, Until seventy times seven.

Mar 11:25-26 And when you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive it so that also your Father in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses. (26) But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in Heaven forgive your trespasses.

Eph 4:32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you.

Col 3:12-13 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender feelings of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, long-suffering, (13) forbearing one another and forgiving yourselves, if anyone has a complaint against any. As Christ forgave you, so also you do.

How dumb of Jesus to send messages to the seven churches of Revelation telling them to REPENT if they hadn't sinned.

 

[Ritajanice]

It's not a sin the obey the Lord's teachings and commands.
Christians repeatedly sin against me when their fleshly nature rises up, and then I do what the Bible and Jesus says to do.

We aren’t in the flesh were in the spirit?

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

Mat 18:15-17 But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. (16) But if he will not hear you, take one or two more with you, so that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you as a heathen and a tax-collector.

Mat 18:21-22 Then Peter came to Him and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Until seven times? (22) Jesus said to him, I do not say to you, Until seven times; but, Until seventy times seven.

Mar 11:25-26 And when you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive it so that also your Father in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses. (26) But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in Heaven forgive your trespasses.

Eph 4:32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you.

Col 3:12-13 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender feelings of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, long-suffering, (13) forbearing one another and forgiving yourselves, if anyone has a complaint against any. As Christ forgave you, so also you do.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

How dumb of Jesus to send messages to the seven churches of Revelation telling them to REPENT if they hadn't sinned.

It’s all very well posting scripture my friend.

I asked you a question...how do you know the Lord...just by reading the Bible...?

There is much more to God than that...do you have His Spirit dwelling within your spirit?

Are you Born Again?

A Born Again repents once and once only, they have been Born Of God’s seed by divine revelation...do you understand what that means?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Born Again of incorruptible / imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever?

Do you know where that seed that we have been Born Again of liveth and abideth?

Have you received the Spirit into your heart/ spirit?

Reading and quoting scripture saves no one.......we know the Lord in our heart/ spirit...that is where Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit has taken up residence?

Only the Spirit of God can witness Gods truth to our hearts/ spirit...we are spirit children...Born Again not by our will, but, by the will of God...chosen/ predestined before the foundation of the world all according to his purpose and plan...

 

[face2face]

I asked you a question...how do you know the Lord...just by reading the Bible...?

You still singing that tune?
I have not forgetton your learning of 1 Peter 1:23 Rita
Maybe a little humility on your part is due.
F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

You still singing that tune?
I have not forgetton your learning of 1 Peter 1:23 Rita
Maybe a little humility on your part is due.
F2F

I am singing no tune and you too have never given your testimony.

We are Born Again by divine revelation?

You seem stuck on 1 Peter 1:23....as you keep repeating that scripture.

Now please tell me...how you know that Jesus died and was resurrected...just by reading the Bible as many do....or by divine revelation?

Is your spirit Born Again?..if so by what means?

No point in discussing with you as imo you are leading yourself through scripture....therefore void of Spirit truth from God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit....who should if you are Born Again.( Holy Spirit)..lead you through the penned word and bring it to your understanding in your spirit....after all we’re spirit children are we not?

How else can we learn the word of God if not by the Spirit who indwells our spirit?

All Glory to God my friend....there is no glory in us....are you actually understanding what I post?

The Holy Spirit is the person who brings scripture to our understanding in our spirit.

How would we know anything about Jesus.....without God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit....testifying Gods truth to our heart/ spirit?

We must be Born Again by divine revelation....just reading our bible doesn’t cut it.....anyone can read a Bible and interpret its meaning by their human intelligence...unfortunately interpreting the Bible that way makes it void of Gods truth....

We must be Born Again in our spirit...only then do we start our spirit journey with Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Only he can bring Gods penned word to our understanding and it’s all in God’s timing.....

I have much to learn from God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit and I will never stop learning by His Spirit....I crave knowledge of Gods Spirit.....mind Blowing divine revelation is!!...

I know NOTHING and am NOTHING without the Spirit, he is the one with all Spirit knowledge and only he can witness Gods truth to our heart/ spirit...

Without the Spirit we are none of His, just as Gods word says, backed up by His Living Holy....who witnesses Gods truth to our heart/ spirit.

My opinion/ testimony and belief...

 

[face2face]

You seem stuck on 1 Peter 1:23....as you keep repeating that scripture.

I think most know what you claim and its not 1 Peter 1:23
You are not out on a limb; the branch has snapped!
F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

I think most know what you claim and its not 1 Peter 1:23

A Born Again can never ever be separated from the Spirit of God....you obviously haven’t received that divine revelation....I pray in Jesus Name..that you receive that divine revelation....Amen!

We have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed that liveth and abideth forever.....

Show scripture where “A Born Again “ can be separated from God’s Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit ?

You are not out on a limb; the branch has snapped!
F2F

I ask you again, no point in engaging with you, as imo you lead yourself through understanding the penned word.

Were you Born Again by divine revelation?

Yes or No will suffice?

Why haven’t you ever answered that question?...plus you never answered this question....how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected....by only reading the Bible or by divine revelation?

Who backs up Gods penned word to be his truth?
Do you understand what that means?

Only Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit can Witness Gods truth....I’m only to willing to be that vessel he uses to witness his truth through me...that’s my calling!....

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God, which can only come by His witness His Living Holy Spirit, through divine revelation....just as his penned word says.

Only God is worthy of Praise......Jesus is above all NAMES......there is NONE like JESUS PERFECT in walking in the will of God...100% without blemish....always in harmony with the Fathers will.....

 

[Ritajanice]

You profess many things Rita and have much to say though I doubt you know the One True God. I'm guessing you have an array of gods in your thinking.

◄ Ephesians 3 ►

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ The Mystery of the Gospel 1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles...a 2Surely you have heard about the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus. 7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power. 8Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,9and to illuminate for everyone the stewardshipb of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His purpose was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to the eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In Him and through faith in Himc we may enter God’s presence with boldness and confidence. 13So I ask you not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory. Paul’s Prayer for the Ephesians 14... for this reason I bow my knees before the Father,d 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth 19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, 21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

 

[face2face]

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◄ Ephesians 3 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ The Mystery of the Gospel 1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles...a 2Surely you have heard about the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus. 7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power. 8Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,9and to illuminate for everyone the stewardshipb of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10His purpose was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11according to the eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12In Him and through faith in Himc we may enter God’s presence with boldness and confidence. 13So I ask you not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory. Paul’s Prayer for the Ephesians 14... for this reason I bow my knees before the Father,d 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, 17so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth 19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, 21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

Your many gods are not there...you need to look for the athanasian creed for your truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

Your many gods are not there...you need to look for the athanasian creed for your truth.

I pray that you know in your spirit/ heart by Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit, that you are Born Again by divine revelation.

I see no evidence of it so far and no testimony.

 

[Ritajanice]

You profess many things Rita and have much to say though I doubt you know the One True God. I'm guessing you have an array of gods in your thinking.

 

[face2face]

I pray that you know in your spirit/ heart by Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit, that you are Born Again by divine revelation.

I see no evidence of it so far and no testimony.

Its pointless to cast pearls your way.

 

[Ritajanice]

Its pointless to cast pearls your way.

When you actually know in your spirit what it means to be Born Again by divine revelation...then get back to me.

A Born Again can NEVER be un - birthed by the Spirit Of God ...counterfeiters, most definitely because they were never Born Again by divine revelation in the first place...therefore have no idea what it means to be Born Again in their spirit.that is the only means one can know God, in one’s spirit.which comes by divine revelation...biblical.have a nice day.

 

[mailmandan]

This is hard for you mailman, I see that.

Actually, it was not hard for me at all but your mind is made up and your beliefs are fixed. I can see that.

 

[face2face]

Actually, it was not hard for me at all but your mind is made up and your beliefs are fixed. I can see that.

Correct, my mind is made up on a balanced approach taking care to provide all the warnings, as we know, to crucify the flesh is far from easy and it requires disciplines which are seen in Christ... to be emulated. Your doctrine doesn’t align with the Lords words, which is why I took it upon myself to correct your understanding. Even now you are reluctant to discuss the Lords words to the Seven Churches, as you know all the language there doesn’t map to your statements of belief.

I've asked myself “Is it kind to shatter a person’s hope of salvation?” The answer for me is, “Yes, because without scriptural grounds it is nothing more than a false hope.”

That is what you are offering mailman, false hope. False hopes will not help anyone regardless of how earnest they might be; Esau “sought the blessing with tears” but to no avail (Heb 12:17).

Repentance itself is a starting requirement for salvation - the work of being saved is one of enduring till the end. How does OSAS help if they are led to believe they are saved when they might not be? I actually wouldn't want that on my conscience - deceiving someone into a false sense of security through false hope.

That is why the Word of God is for correction in Righteousness - a correction you have failed to receive.

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you so much for confirming what I always suspected. The only people who are ashamed of their theology are the Arminans. And since you have always refused to disclose what you actually believe, puts you squarely in their camp.

Now you’re a liar. Because I have told yu and others what I believe.

Your just a troll