MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL

[Behold]

I am very familar with forums and how they work, I owned a few of them

If you've owned a few of them then you do understand that when you post,.. this is an invitation to receive a response.
And it can be that the person responding is not disagreeing with you, but they are actually supporting what you've stated by expanding on it.

 

[Verily]

If you've owned a few of them then you do understand that when you post,.. this is an invitation to receive a response.
And it can be that the person responding is not disagreeing with you, but they are actually supporting what you've stated by expanding on it.

Not always, and I cannot tell with the way you typically respond what you are doing, I find you difficult to read.

 

[Behold]

Not always, and I cannot tell with the way you typically respond what you are doing, I find you difficult to read.

Well, here is the thing.
You wrote to me some theology, verses, and i responded and you became confused regarding why i did this.... as you stated.
So, i find that very odd, regarding you....
Now, if you want to continue our FANTASTIC discussion, just keep posting to me, and i'll help you with that....
Np.

 

[Verily]

Well, here is the thing.
You wrote to me some theology, verses, and i responded and you became confused regarding why i did this.... as you stated.
So, i find that very odd, regarding you....
Now, if you want to continue our FANTASTIC discussion, just keep posting to me, and i'll help you with that....
Np.

I think ignore suites me, I will find the button, this is so weird.

 

[Behold]

I think ignore suites me, I will find the button, this is so weird.

Thank you.
You've done us both a favor.

 

[Fred J]

As you say he gave it to the twelve to fulfill not us
Paul gave us our commission
[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

This is the false doctrine am talking about.

 

[Fred J]

As you say he gave it to the twelve to fulfill not us

That's according to you!

But according Jesus Christ, He commission the Twelve. to make disciple of 'all nation', 'kindred' and 'tongue'.

This was when Israel rejected the Gospel and have the Messiah crucified, henceforth the Gospel went to the Gentiles.

They have reached out by far many nation before Paul came into the picture.

We have a brief accounts of the centurion and eunuch being ministered to and water baptized by Peter and Philip.

If you're wise do the math, how about the the other 10 Apostles, who's accounts are not recorded??

Paul was sent during when the Jew and Gentile believers have contention and resentment with one another.

Especially pertaining to the Law of Moses and traditions of the Jews between pertaining to the way and traditions of the Gentiles.

For it was a difficult time for Peter and James in Jerusalem, not to stir up an uprising on the Jewish believers.

Not enough they even have to bear and be alert to the ongoing persecution on the saints, even where Paul's wanted dead.

Paul gave us our commission
[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Again, that's according to you!

In your earlier post, like a fox you twist the commission Jesus gave to Paul, how can you be trusted??

You testified that Jesus commissioned Paul to reach out to the Gentiles, that's it.

If the Holy Ghost did not bring to our remembrance, you'd have us fooled.

i wonder why a true believer would leave out significant words like, 'kings' and especially, 'children of Israel', of Jesus??

Unless apparently one is a 'babe in Christ' or an 'imposter' and 'counterfeit', to reckon with.

This is our standing testimony scripturally, and will not continue if you persist the same over and over again.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

There is more than one gospel in the Bible. It is imperative to comprehend not only to whom each gospel was given, but how they differ. It is also of the upmost importance to know which gospel is for our salvation unto eternal life.

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The gospel was given to Abraham. A gospel is glad tidings, good news. The obligation of mankind is to believe what God said. Abraham believed that God would bless all the nations through him.

Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

It is always and only by faith that God saves, by believing God. It is always and only by grace that God saves in doing for us what we are incapable of in and of ourselves.

The gospel was given to Israel in the wilderness.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

What gospel was the writer of Hebrews referring to?

Deuteronomy 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

The gospel of entering into God's rest through belief in Hebrews 4 is not the same gospel given to Israel in the wilderness to possess the land. It can be seen from this comparison alone that there is more than just one gospel.

Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The Davidic kingdom was promised to Israel, wherein, they would inherit an earthly kingdom and reign with Christ (Daniel 2:44 Revelation 20:4). Israel was to believe on the name of Jesus, that Jesus was the Son of God, the Messiah. Placing faith and trust in Jesus and his name would justify them unto eternal life (John 20:31). Obeying his commandments would physically save them to enter the kingdom (Matthew 5:20). Upon belief the kingdom would have been ushered in.

The Jews had to only believe on the name of Jesus to have eternal life.

[John 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

[John 3:16, 18 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ... 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Anyone who says there is more then one Gospel is deceived.

Matthew Mark Luke John and Paul all shared/wrote/preached only One Gospel = the Lord Jesus Christ

It does not matter who the Lord sent to who = the Gospel remains the SAME = One Gospel for all nations

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." - Matthew 24:14

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another;
but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again,
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Fred J]

There are divisions because they dont righltly divide the Word or follow Paul

Paul did not call you to follow him scripturally, it's your 'self' choice 'shortsightedly'.

There's no such thing as to rightly divide the Word, to have a Gospel for the Jews and a Gospel for the Gentiles.

You Pauline and alike are the division causer in Christendom.

 

[David in NJ]

Paul did not call you to follow him scripturally, it's your 'self' choice 'shortsightedly'.

There's no such thing as to rightly divide the Word, to have a Gospel for the Jews and a Gospel for the Gentiles.

You Pauline and alike are the division causer in Christendom.

The lie of two gospels sprang out from another lie that they believe and most christians are believing today

Lies beget lies whereas TRUTH begets TRUTH

The Apostle John knew this and so he wrote: "no lie is of the Truth"

 

[Davy]

I commented on Bible verses
I may be wrong on my comments and if so show me verse for my correction
How am I hyper dispensationalism? As far as I know they say that only Paul's prison epistles are for the body of Christ
I am a dispensationalist who tries to rightly divide, and everyone is to some degree, or we would all be building an ark

Go read up on men's false Hyper-Dispensationalist movement, also known as Ultra-Dispensationalism, or just Dispensationalism.

Dispensationalism, which began with John Nelson Darby and the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, was the start of it. Hyper-Dispensationalism or Ultra-Dispensationalism became later modifications of the same.

If you cannot overcome men's false Pre-trib Rapture theory that is NOT written in God's Word, then you place your soul in danger.

 

[Davy]

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Look at this verse where it says:
the GOSPEL was preached ...so this is a gospel
it does not say believe Christ died for our sins was buried and rose again but it says all nations be blessed
How can it be said there is only one gospel?

Nah... your interpretation is faulty, because you are trying to push man's Dispensationalist theories into it.

What Apostle Paul revealed in GALATIANS 3 and ROMANS 4 is that The ONE GOSPEL of Jesus Christ was ALWAYS FIRST, prior... to the giving of the LAW through Moses. It is that simple!

Thus the Promise by Faith which Abraham believed, and God accounted to Abraham as righteousness, IS... the SAME ONE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST that those of Christ's Church have believed, and Paul says so in Galatians 3:

Gal 3:7-9
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, 'In thee shall all nations be blessed.'
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Thus you're little pulling only... from Gal.3:8 is not enough to reveal what all Apostle Paul was teaching there in Galatians 3. Beware of men that love to pull a single verse from a Chapter and take it out of it's written context.

 

[Doug]

Go read up on men's false Hyper-Dispensationalist movement, also known as Ultra-Dispensationalism, or just Dispensationalism.

Dispensationalism, which began with John Nelson Darby and the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, was the start of it. Hyper-Dispensationalism or Ultra-Dispensationalism became later modifications of the same.

If you cannot overcome men's false Pre-trib Rapture theory that is NOT written in God's Word, then you place your soul in danger.

All I can say is read my posts and see whether or not it is supported by scripture

Everyone is a dispensationlist when they decide God was telling Noah to build an ark not me

 

[David in NJ]

All I can say is read my posts and see whether or not it is supported by scripture

Everyone is a dispensationlist when they decide God was telling Noah to build an ark not me

Once you believe and love a lie you will then fall into many more lies

"It is written" = One Gospel = the Lord Jesus Christ = Matthew 24:14

this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

 

[Davy]

[Gal 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;

This verse says of the uncircumcision and of the circumcision in the KJV not to
the word of identifies the gospel preached
alot of the Bible versions say to

What's it say in the GREEK NEW TESTAMENT MANUSCRIPTS when look at the next verse?

Gal 2:7-8
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
KJV

Paul refers to the IDEA OF APOSTLESHIP. What's that per the original Greek?

apostole (ap-os-tol-ay'); from NT:649; commission, i.e. (specially) apostolate:
KJV - apostleship.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Look up the meaning of "commission" if you don't know it. It means a stewardship, an administration. And Paul uses that to point to him and Peter each having a separate ADMINISTRATION of The One Gospel of Jesus Christ! It does NOT... mean there is more than one GOSPEL of Jesus Christ.

Why would man's false Dispensationalism try to separate The ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ into TWO different Gospels? It because of THEIR FALSE BELIEF that the Gentile Church is raptured prior to the trib, while the Jews are left-behind. And... their false belief that the Gentile Church remains in Heaven reigning with Jesus while Israel is separately re-established on earth for the Millennium, ALL FALSE THEORIES FROM MAN'S DISPENSATIONALISM not written in God's Word!

 

[Davy]

All I can say is read my posts and see whether or not it is supported by scripture

Everyone is a dispensationlist when they decide God was telling Noah to build an ark not me

Nah... not everyone is a Dispensationalist, that's crazy. It's because Darby's, et all, theories that form today's ideas of Dispensationalism are NOT written in God's Word. Just like how you've been taught to take a single verse out of Bible Scripture, like you did with Galatians 3:8, and apply a doctrine of men to it that goes against the rest of what Galatians 3 teaches, is one such example of how Dispensationalism operates.

 

[Doug]

What's it say in the GREEK NEW TESTAMENT MANUSCRIPTS when look at the next verse?

Gal 2:7-8
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
KJV

Paul refers to the IDEA OF APOSTLESHIP. What's that per the original Greek?

apostole (ap-os-tol-ay'); from NT:649; commission, i.e. (specially) apostolate:
KJV - apostleship.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Look up the meaning of "commission" if you don't know it. It means a stewardship, an administration. And Paul uses that to point to him and Peter each having a separate ADMINISTRATION of The One Gospel of Jesus Christ! It does NOT... mean there is more than one GOSPEL of Jesus Christ.

Why would man's false Dispensationalism try to separate The ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ into TWO different Gospels? It because of THEIR FALSE BELIEF that the Gentile Church is raptured prior to the trib, while the Jews are left-behind. And... their false belief that the Gentile Church remains in Heaven reigning with Jesus while Israel is separately re-established on earth for the Millennium, ALL FALSE THEORIES FROM MAN'S DISPENSATIONALISM not written in God's Word!

ok

 

[Doug]

Nah... not everyone is a Dispensationalist, that's crazy. It's because Darby's, et all, theories that form today's ideas of Dispensationalism are NOT written in God's Word. Just like how you've been taught to take a single verse out of Bible Scripture, like you did with Galatians 3:8, and apply a doctrine of men to it that goes against the rest of what Galatians 3 teaches, is one such example of how Dispensationalism operates.

ok

 

[Doug]

Once you believe and love a lie you will then fall into many more lies

"It is written" = One Gospel = the Lord Jesus Christ = Matthew 24:14

this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

ok

 

[Davy]

There is some substation in scripture to uphold pre trib

There is absolutely NONE. And your wishing it were so won't make it so.

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Jesus showed emphatically that His coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the "great tribulation".

So if you want to listen to men's falseness that go DIRECTLY against what Jesus said in those Scriptures, then you choose to place your soul in danger.