MORE THAN ONE BIBLE GOSPEL

[Behold]

There is something sinister with this 2 gospel situation.

Peter told 3000 Jews who had been told by Peter that they killed their messiah......to "repent and be water baptized for remission of sin".

So, that is not Paul's Gospel.

Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it......

Look..

"""""""But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;""""""


See that?

NO WATER BAPTISM in Paul's Gospel.

 

[Doug]

The bible says if anyone preach a different gospel other that the one preached, let him be accursed.
So your poorly thought out doctrine curses Jesus and all apostles.
( since you claim they preached a different gospel)

No they were not accursed
God has two purposes to reconcile the earth and heaven
[Rom 15:8 KJV] 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:
Christ came to Israel to offer the Davidic kingdom on earth
They were not accursed because the twelve were sent to preach the gospel of the kingdom

[Gal 1:8-9 KJV] 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul was accursing anyone who preached a gospel other than the gospel he preached and was received by the Galatians

[Rev 14:6-7 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Look closely at this verse....an angel is preaching the gospel which according to Paul would be accursed in Galatians 1:8
Why isnt it accursed because it is a different dispensation

 

[rebuilder 454]

No he wasnt
Jesus was preaching the gospel of the kingdom

[Mar 1:14-15 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

This is the gospel but look it is saying what he preached.......he preached the earthly Davidic kingdom was coming....Israel was to believe this gospel....he didnt preach the cross here...he told Paul to preach the cross

Bingo.
Jesus failed according to your doctrine.

you misrepresent his message.
Jesus said "you must be born again"
JTB announced Jesus ministry as "a lamb the TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD"
Jesus said " Destroy this temple and in 3 days , I will raise it up"
Jesus said "for God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, That who so ever believe in him should not perish but have lasting life."

Jesus said "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised"
Jesus said " as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

Jesus understood his mission.
It was ALWAYS to come and die as a sacrifice.

 

[Behold]

Jesus said "for God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, That who so ever believe in him should not perish but have lasting life."

Actually its John who said that.

John 3:16.

And while you are there, examine : John 3:17......as noone knows this verse., and its a keeper.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Peter told 3000 Jews who had been told by Peter that they killed their messiah......to "repent and be water baptized for remission of sin".

So, that is not Paul's Gospel.

Paul's Gospel has no water baptism in it......

Look..

"""""""But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;""""""


See that?

NO WATER BAPTISM in Paul's Gospel.

It was NEVER Paul's gospel.
Never.
Paul was taught of the SAME HOLY SPIRIT as James, Peter, and John and Jesus.
The Holy Spirit that inspired Peter was defective and lead men into error?

It gets worse.
Paul said "If any man preaches a gospel other than the gospel that we preached to you Let him be a cursed."

So did Peter preach a different Gospel that paul?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Actually its John who said that.

John 3:16.

And while you are there, examine : John 3:17......as noone knows this verse., and its a keeper.

Did you read it???
You care to look at it in truth???
"JESUS answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU MISSED IT.
MASSIVE MISREPRESENTATION.
WHY?

 

[Doug]

"The kingdom of heaven is at hand" is Jesus himself.
Jesus walking the earth is "the kingdom of heaven at hand"

What does the Bible say about the kingdom

[Psa 145:13 KJV] 13 Thy kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion [endureth] throughout all generations.
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[Dan 2:44 KJV] 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
[Dan 7:18 KJV] 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
[Mat 5:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[Mat 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

These verses do not support saying the kingdom is as you say

 

[rebuilder 454]

No they were not accursed
God has two purposes to reconcile the earth and heaven
[Rom 15:8 KJV] 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:
Christ came to Israel to offer the Davidic kingdom on earth
They were not accursed because the twelve were sent to preach the gospel of the kingdom

[Gal 1:8-9 KJV] 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul was accursing anyone who preached a gospel other than the gospel he preached and was received by the Galatians

[Rev 14:6-7 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Look closely at this verse....an angel is preaching the gospel which according to Paul would be accursed in Galatians 1:8
Why isnt it accursed because it is a different dispensation

So you are now agreeing Peter and Paul preached the exact same Gospel as we CLEARLY See the Holy Spirit wrote the bible?

 

[rebuilder 454]

What does the Bible say about the kingdom

[Psa 145:13 KJV] 13 Thy kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion [endureth] throughout all generations.
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[Dan 2:44 KJV] 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
[Dan 7:18 KJV] 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
[Mat 5:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[Mat 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

These verses do not support saying the kingdom is as you say

Paul believed all of that.
Who taught Paul?
A different Holy Spirit.?
Paul's righteousness and every believers righteousness EXCEEDS that of all the pharisees.
Paul would 100%agree with Jesus.
And yes Paul would agree we take the kingdom.
What do you think?
We do not take the kingdom?

Keep trying .
Maybe you will convince yourself there are 2 Holy Spirits bringing God's servants 2 separate messages.
Huh?

 

[rebuilder 454]

What does the Bible say about the kingdom

[Psa 145:13 KJV] 13 Thy kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion [endureth] throughout all generations.
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
[Dan 2:44 KJV] 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
[Dan 7:18 KJV] 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
[Mat 5:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[Mat 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

These verses do not support saying the kingdom is as you say

Lol
Luke 17
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

That alone destroys all you are saying against Jesus.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No he wasnt
Jesus was preaching the gospel of the kingdom

[Mar 1:14-15 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

This is the gospel but look it is saying what he preached.......he preached the earthly Davidic kingdom was coming....Israel was to believe this gospel....he didnt preach the cross here...he told Paul to preach the cross

Total and complete baloney.
Go back and reread it.
The King of the universe is the Gospel.
...and he stood right in front of them.
( the kingdom of God is at hand)

BTW.
The Last chapter of Acts has Paul preaching the gospel of the Kingdom 2 separate times.
That's right
The bible said it twice!!!
that Paul preached the gospel of the Kingdom.

Oooops

 

[Doug]

The King of the universe is the Gospel.
...and he stood right in front of them.
( the kingdom of God is at hand)

[Luk 13:28-29 KJV] 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and [from] the west, and from the north, and [from] the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

The verses above say that it is a literal kingdom
There is a kingdom of God comprised of heaven and earth

[1Ch 29:11 KJV] 11 Thine, O LORD, [is] the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all [that is] in the heaven and in the earth [is thine]; thine [is] the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

Paul preached the gospel of the Kingdom.

Show me a verse where he preached the kingdom of God on earth please

[2Ti 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

He did preach the kingdom of God and a heavenly kingdom

 

[Behold]

Paul was taught of the SAME HOLY SPIRIT as James, Peter, and John and Jesus.

There is no verse in the NT that says that "Jesus was taught by the Holy Spirit".

Also, Paul told us that the Gospel that He preaches, .... he received it from "no Man".

In Acts 15, you find that the apostles met Paul, and from that time, they all had HIS Gospel..

Paul said of HIS Gospel, that is it "MY Gospel"... 3x in the NT.

This is why Paul said that if anyone preached any other Gospel this His..., then you become this one.

Galatians 1:8

The Holy Spirit that inspired Peter was defective and lead men into error?

That is not the issue.
The issue is timing.
In other words... when did an Apostle know Paul's Gospel..????? and obviously Peter didnt know it in Acts 2, as Paul was not yet called by Jesus into His Minstry as "the Apostle to the Gentiles".. to deliver "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Also, in Acts 10......you find God giving Peter the revelation, that Gentiles can be saved... and that is 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven.
So, it took time before all the Apostles had the same understanding that Paul had.. and in Acts 15, that was resolved, for them all.

It gets worse.
Paul said "If any man preaches a gospel other than the gospel that we preached to you Let him be a cursed."

Yes, and that is for today. = Gal 1:8
This ends when the Trib starts.

So, right now.. "in the time of the Gentiles".... when you hear or read that The Cross is only for some.. but not for the world.. as the Cult CALVINISTS teach, then they are teaching a FALSE Gospel that denies The Truth and rejects Paul's Gospel.

So did Peter preach a different Gospel that paul?

Of course......but, see, once again.... The Cross started a Transition from the OT... to the NT.....so, it took time before everything that had changed, doctrinally, was understood by all the Apostles.

 

[rockytopva]

I have always read the Gospel of the bible as something singular... Not plural!

 

[rockytopva]

Well... Except for the Galatians...

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1

But... Even there... The way they changed the Gospel is not well described as we were not there to have heard the Gospel that Paul preached.

 

[Doug]

I have always read the Gospel of the bible as something singular... Not plural!

Most churches hold to one gospel but the Bible demonstrates otherwise
Belief in one or more gospels is not crucial to salvation through faith in Christ and belief of Paul's gospel
There are churches that teach dispensations and grace and more than one gospel

 

[Davy]

Everyone is a dispensationlist when they decide God was telling Noah to build an ark not me

Why arent you building an ark? I am not being flippant
[Gen 6:14 KJV] 14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
why not obey this verse if we are to obey all scripture?

The Dispensationalist Movement began with John Nelson Darby in 1830's Great Britain, the same... guy that first taught the FALSE Pre-trib Rapture theory in a Christian Church.

Even the devil knows Bible Scripture and can quote it perfectly to deceive, an example being how the devil ADDED to the Psalms 90 Scripture he quoted to Jesus in Luke 4 during Christ's 40 day temptation.

Likewise, the false prophets also know Bible Scripture, and use it to deceive with. How else would they get the gullible to be deceived if they didn't spout a lot of truth also? But just like the devil's quote in Luke 4, he only added one short phrase ("at any time" - KJV), which changed the meaning of the whole Psalms 90 Scripture he was quoting.

 

[Davy]

I have always read the Gospel of the bible as something singular... Not plural!

And you are correct to treat it as such. There is only One Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Davy]

As I have stated brethren, do not allow yourselves to be deceived by men's Dispensationalist theories that started in 1830's Great Britain along with the false pre-trib rapture theory.

If you adhere to men's false pre-trib rapture theory, one of their Dispensationalist doctrines you will have heard, which is nowhere... written in God's Word, is how they think Jesus will come PRIOR to the "great tribulation" to rapture the Church, while the unbelieving Jews remain to go through the trib, but some of them become 'tribulation saints' (their term, not in The Bible) convert to Jesus during... the "great tribulation". That idea is nowhere... written in God's Word. Just the opposite idea is written, that the unbelieving Jews which God spiritually blinded away from The Gospel will remain in that condition all the way... through the coming trib until Jesus appears at His future return.

In Revelation, and the Old Testament prophets, those who will be in shame when Jesus appears, and will wish for the hills and the mountains to "Fall on us", are those blinded Jews that go through the tribulation and when Jesus appears, they go into shame for having rejected Him. So no... conversions happen going into the "great tribulation". Whatever one believed prior to the "great tribulation", that is the belief each will remain with, until Jesus returns.

The main reason the pre-trib rapture/Dispensationalist crowd teaches these above ideas is because they are doing it to try and prove the pre-trib rapture theory isn't fake. They falsely teach that Jesus raptures His Church out prior to the "great tribulation", and they will rule with Jesus in Heaven, and then return after... the tribulation, and even still... reign from Heaven with Him during the Millennium, while the Jews' nation like Old Testament times is restored on earth. It is a false separation theme they teach.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is no verse in the NT that says that "Jesus was taught by the Holy Spirit".

Also, Paul told us that the Gospel that He preaches, .... he received it from "no Man".

In Acts 15, you find that the apostles met Paul, and from that time, they all had HIS Gospel..

Paul said of HIS Gospel, that is it "MY Gospel"... 3x in the NT.

This is why Paul said that if anyone preached any other Gospel this His..., then you become this one.

Galatians 1:8



That is not the issue.
The issue is timing.
In other words... when did an Apostle know Paul's Gospel..????? and obviously Peter didnt know it in Acts 2, as Paul was not yet called by Jesus into His Minstry as "the Apostle to the Gentiles".. to deliver "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Also, in Acts 10......you find God giving Peter the revelation, that Gentiles can be saved... and that is 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven.
So, it took time before all the Apostles had the same understanding that Paul had.. and in Acts 15, that was resolved, for them all.




Yes, and that is for today. = Gal 1:8
This ends when the Trib starts.

So, right now.. "in the time of the Gentiles".... when you hear or read that The Cross is only for some.. but not for the world.. as the Cult CALVINISTS teach, then they are teaching a FALSE Gospel that denies The Truth and rejects Paul's Gospel.



Of course......but, see, once again.... The Cross started a Transition from the OT... to the NT.....so, it took time before everything that had changed, doctrinally, was understood by all the Apostles.

Peter preached salvation to the Gentiles before Paul even started his ministry.

You can not wiggle out of the fact either Peter preached the same gospel as Paul, or Paul cursed Peter and the Holy Spirit inspired words of peter.
Your doctrine has a made up "2 gospel dynamic"