GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

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Doug

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even as they.
This verse was saying that Peter and the believing Jews were saved and the believing Gentiles were saved as well and did not need to be circumcised and keep the law.....neither Jews or Gentiles were saved by keeping the law

If they as you say they were saved the same way then it was by faith.......[Act 15:9 KJV] 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
 

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On the contrary, you tell me why Jesus would mislead Paul
I thought about what you said here and realized you are saying Jesus would not mislead Paul in giving him a different message to preach........Jesus was giving Paul further revelation
 

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Yes he did! They all witnessed Jesus' death and ressurection! It is the fundamental cornerstone of Christianity.
Are you blind? Maybe you are.

Peter's teaching:
he, (David) foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Acts 2:31-32
But what else did Peter say about the resurrection...........[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

What did Paul say................[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

His resurrection saved Iseral to enter the kingdom on earth but not us

what saved us was his resurrection for our justification
 

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1 Pet. 1:2 ' ...in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

1Pet. 2:23-24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
Peter is saying Christ died for Israel's sins not ours as seen in Hebrews....................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance..............Paul revealed his death and resurrection was for us as well
 

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In other words, there is only one gospel and both the Jews and the Gentiles are saved on the same basis.
If there was only one gospel and Gentiles were saved by it then look at this verse.................[Act 16:3 KJV] 3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.........why were Gentiles prohibited from temple worship?
 

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This verse was saying that Peter and the believing Jews were saved and the believing Gentiles were saved as well and did not need to be circumcised and keep the law.....neither Jews or Gentiles were saved by keeping the law

If they as you say they were saved the same way then it was by faith.......[Act 15:9 KJV] 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
The circumstances surrounding Peter's experience were significant and deeply impactful. Initially, he received a summons from a group of Gentile individuals known as "God-fearers," who expressed a desire to learn about salvation. Despite his eagerness to share the message of Christ, Peter hesitated. His reluctance stemmed from the understanding that associating with Gentiles would make him ceremonially unclean according to Jewish law, which dictated strict separation from non-Jewish individuals.

However, Peter's perspective shifted dramatically through a divine revelation. He experienced a vision from God that challenged his preconceived notions concerning purity and holiness. In this vision, God communicated that He alone determines who is holy and who is not, indicating that human regulations should not hinder the spread of the gospel.

Empowered by this new understanding, Peter accepted the invitation and proceeded to preach the gospel to the Gentiles. He shared with them the message of Jesus Christ, recounting His life, death, and resurrection, and the offer of salvation to all who believe. To Peter's astonishment, as he was in the midst of delivering this pivotal message, God intervened in a powerful way. The Holy Spirit was poured out upon the Gentiles, signifying God's acceptance of them and confirming that they were indeed being saved in the same manner as the Jewish believers. This moment served as a profound demonstration of God’s inclusive grace, breaking down barriers and uniting believers regardless of their backgrounds.
 

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If there was only one gospel and Gentiles were saved by it then look at this verse.................[Act 16:3 KJV] 3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.........why were Gentiles prohibited from temple worship?
In the teachings of the New Testament, salvation is deeply intertwined with the concept of sanctification. This process begins with being "born again," which signifies a profound spiritual transformation that allows an individual to enter into a new life of faith. It involves receiving the Holy Spirit, symbolizing the presence of Christ within a believer.

This transformative experience prompts individuals to actively "walk according to the Spirit," meaning that their thoughts, actions, and decisions are guided by the values and principles taught by Jesus. Living "in the Spirit" further emphasizes this ongoing relationship with the divine, as believers are encouraged to cultivate a lifestyle that reflects their commitment to God and aligns with His will. Through these elements of sanctification, salvation is portrayed not just as an event but as a continuous journey of spiritual growth and renewal.

Taking all of that into consideration, it's important to note that the excerpt you referenced from the book of Acts doesn't pertain to the concept of salvation in any theological sense. Instead, it addresses issues related to ethnic culture and identity. The passage highlights the distinct practices and traditions that are inherent to different ethnic groups, illustrating how cultural contexts can shape religious experiences and understandings.

Paul didn't wish to cause offence.
 

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I thought about what you said here and realized you are saying Jesus would not mislead Paul in giving him a different message to preach........Jesus was giving Paul further revelation
Following his profound conversion experience, Paul found himself compelled to reevaluate his entire perspective on life, particularly in relation to his Jewish faith. This transformative moment marked a pivotal shift in his understanding of spirituality and belief. Central to this change was Jesus’ teachings, which emphasized the significance of inner faith over the external observance of rituals and traditional Jewish practices. This inward focus challenged Paul to reconsider the essence of his devotion, leading him to embrace a more personal and experiential understanding of his relationship with God, one that transcended mere compliance with religious customs.

Through his newfound understanding, he came to realize that the Gentiles were not barred from the promise of salvation. Instead, they were welcomed into the fold on the same foundation as the Jewish people. This revelation illuminated the importance of genuine inner transformation and sincerity of heart, emphasizing that true acceptance before God hinged not on external identity or heritage, but on a heartfelt commitment and a genuine desire for spiritual renewal.

To coin a phrase, "Salvation by sanctification alone."
 

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Peter accepted the invitation and proceeded to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.
By Peter's preaching the Gentiles did believe but he wasnt preaching to the Gentiles...........[Act 10:42 KJV] 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.

Peter was not preaching the cross but the name of Jesus for salvation..................[Act 10:43 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Why would they be astonished if the Gentiles would believe if they were sent to preach to the Gentiles...............[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

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He shared with them the message of Jesus Christ, recounting His life, death, and resurrection, and the offer of salvation to all who believe.

Peter preached faith in his name. as did they all (John 20:31)...................[Act 10:43 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
 

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Same thing.
Believing Jesus's name (that he is Christ the Son of God John 20:31 for eternal life is not the same as believing Christ died for our sins was buried and rose for our justification
 

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Through his newfound understanding, he came to realize that the Gentiles were not barred from the promise of salvation. Instead, they were welcomed into the fold on the same foundation as the Jewish people.
[Eph 2:11-13 KJV] 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

By the blood of Christ
 

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Believing Jesus's name (that he is Christ the Son of God John 20:31 for eternal life is not the same as believing Christ died for our sins was buried and rose for our justification
I agree; these concepts are distinct and should not be conflated. However, it's important to consider the context of Jesus's time. Many individuals who were unwilling to accept the notion of Jesus's divine nature also rejected the evidence of his miracles and teachings. These beliefs about Jesus—his death, burial, and resurrection—are intricately connected and form a unified understanding of his role in salvation.

If we take the position that Christ died for our sins, was laid to rest, and subsequently rose from the dead for our justification, it logically leads to the conclusion that he is indeed the Son of God. To articulate this differently, it presents a significant challenge for an individual to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah if they grapple with the idea that God permitted him to endure a humiliating death on the cross. Such a belief contradicts the expectations of a triumphant savior, making it difficult for many to reconcile their faith with the events surrounding his crucifixion.

The core gospel is salvation by sanctification. Those whom God is sanctifying by his Spirit will believe all the truths about Jesus, including the two that you mentioned.
 

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[Eph 2:11-13 KJV] 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

By the blood of Christ
It's crucial to steer clear of a common misconception that many fall into, which is the belief that salvation is based on our actions or deeds. Instead, we should recognize that salvation fundamentally defines our very essence and identity. This distinction between what we "BE" and what we "DO" is significant.

Often, we find ourselves pondering questions like, "What actions do I need to take to achieve salvation?" or "What must I do to earn or maintain God's approval?" These inquiries imply a transactional view of our relationship with the divine, suggesting that our efforts can somehow secure favor or redemption.

However, true salvation is not a result of our pursuits or the good works we undertake for God; rather, it stems from what God graciously does for us. It is a gift freely given, emphasizing God's love and mercy rather than our efforts or achievements.

Genuine spirituality, then, is about the transformative work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. This inner transformation is what truly shapes who we are, guiding us toward a deeper understanding of ourselves and our relationship with God. It is this inward change that is far more meaningful than any external actions we might perform.

The cross of Christ is undoubtedly the foundation of our salvation. Through His sacrificial death on the cross, Jesus not only bore the weight of our sins but also secured the right to intercede on our behalf before God. This act of love and obedience demonstrated His perfect alignment with God’s will, enabling Him to advocate for us. Because of this profound relationship and the depth of His sacrifice, God is moved to extend His mercy to us whenever Jesus intercedes, for He is deeply pleased with His Son. Therefore, the cross serves as the pivotal point of our faith, symbolizing both the severity of sin and the boundless grace that is available to all who believe.
 

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The core gospel is salvation by sanctification. Those whom God is sanctifying by his Spirit will believe all the truths about Jesus, including the two that you mentioned.
We are to believe that Jesus is Christ the Son of God ............[Rom 1:3-4 KJV] 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:.......during Christ's earthly ministry all that was required for eternal life was to believe on him to believe on his name that he was Christ the Son of God...............for us for eternal life we are to believe the gospel revealed thru Paul that He died for our sins as our substitute was buried and rose for our justification..........we should then transform our minds.... walk in the Spirit by obeying his word in Paul's epistles
 

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We are to believe that Jesus is Christ the Son of God ............[Rom 1:3-4 KJV] 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:.......during Christ's earthly ministry all that was required for eternal life was to believe on him to believe on his name that he was Christ the Son of God...............for us for eternal life we are to believe the gospel revealed thru Paul that He died for our sins as our substitute was buried and rose for our justification..........we should then transform our minds.... walk in the Spirit by obeying his word in Paul's epistles
I would approach the explanation differently, as it can come across as a simplistic, step-by-step process. The crucial element in the concept of salvation is the indwelling presence of the Spirit of God within us. When God imparts His Spirit into our hearts, it transforms our understanding and belief. This divine indwelling inspires us to recognize and affirm that Christ is indeed the Son of God, that Jesus holds the title of Lord, and that He sacrificed Himself for our sins, among other key truths.

It's important to clarify that some individuals may misunderstand the relationship between belief and salvation, reversing the cause-and-effect dynamic. We don't achieve salvation merely because we profess faith in Jesus as the Son of God; rather, our genuine belief is a byproduct of the saving work that God is already performing in our lives. In essence, our faith is cultivated as we experience the transformative power of God's Spirit at work in our hearts, shaping our understanding and deepening our relationship with Christ.
 

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I would approach the explanation differently, as it can come across as a simplistic, step-by-step process. The crucial element in the concept of salvation is the indwelling presence of the Spirit of God within us. When God imparts His Spirit into our hearts, it transforms our understanding and belief. This divine indwelling inspires us to recognize and affirm that Christ is indeed the Son of God, that Jesus holds the title of Lord, and that He sacrificed Himself for our sins, among other key truths.

It's important to clarify that some individuals may misunderstand the relationship between belief and salvation, reversing the cause-and-effect dynamic. We don't achieve salvation merely because we profess faith in Jesus as the Son of God; rather, our genuine belief is a byproduct of the saving work that God is already performing in our lives. In essence, our faith is cultivated as we experience the transformative power of God's Spirit at work in our hearts, shaping our understanding and deepening our relationship with Christ.
I think salvation is simple ........we just have to obey the gospel and believe it
[2Th 1:8 KJV] 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[Rom 1:16 KJV] 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 

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I would approach the explanation differently, as it can come across as a simplistic, step-by-step process. The crucial element in the concept of salvation is the indwelling presence of the Spirit of God within us. When God imparts His Spirit into our hearts, it transforms our understanding and belief. This divine indwelling inspires us to recognize and affirm that Christ is indeed the Son of God, that Jesus holds the title of Lord, and that He sacrificed Himself for our sins, among other key truths.

It's important to clarify that some individuals may misunderstand the relationship between belief and salvation, reversing the cause-and-effect dynamic. We don't achieve salvation merely because we profess faith in Jesus as the Son of God; rather, our genuine belief is a byproduct of the saving work that God is already performing in our lives. In essence, our faith is cultivated as we experience the transformative power of God's Spirit at work in our hearts, shaping our understanding and deepening our relationship with Christ.
I think we are sanctified by his Word........................[Eph 5:25-26 KJV] 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,