GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

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That does not change the meaning of 1 Timothy 1:16 in which Paul says that IN HIM FIRST Christ showed the pattern for eternal life
We can look at all the "firsts" in their contexts

Jesus said,

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And so Peter says (beginning at Jerusalem)

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord

And continues saying

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Still at Jerusalem

Stephen preaching (as unto the Jew first) beginning at Jerusalem where Paul (then called Saul) was standing consenting to his death

Acts 22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

Just before Saul received his sight, the Lord told Ananias who was hesitent to go to Saulto lay hands on him (because of his previous persecution towards the church) the Lord said to him

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel

And even Paul said here

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

And so the Jew first, then to the Gentiles (Romans 1:16) and so "lo, we turn to the Gentiles"

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

And the gospel he declared

1 Cr 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

1 Cr 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

1 Cr 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

1 Cr 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

1 Cr 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

1 Cr 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

1 Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

1 Cr 15:11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

Paul speaking of himself said,

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

1 Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Ti 1:14 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Of this longsuffering Paul speaks of, Peter also writes of the same saying

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So in Paul first Jesus was shewing forth all longsuffering as a pattern to them which would believe on him thereafter even as Peter also mentions the longsuffering of the Lord which Paul had wrote unto them. And because Saul persecuted the church of Christ, which is his body, even as the Lord appeared to him saying Saul Saul, why persecutest thou ME?

I cannot say I am following where you are going with this one Doug, so I will leave off from this discussion since I don't think I can add anything more to what I have already posted. And because I have nothing to go on than what you say is so on the thing.
 

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Yes......but that wasnt known til revealed to Paul.....it was hid in God
Your whole premise is off. Peter and Paul taught the same gospel!
All the apostles, all Christians throughout history believe in the same gospel. There is only one:
JESUS died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures!

That is the gospel. If you believe that you will be saved. Of course one must know Jesus, who He is, about His life, ministries and miracles, that He is the Messiah who was written about in the Old Testament. Faith comes by the Word and as we learn about His story, somewhere along the way our blindness is lifted and we can begin to see spiritually.

Belief in Jesus means you will actually do what He says, relinquish your old ways, die to them, he off your throne and follow Him. We are transformed by this belief, love empowers us to live differently, righteously. We are led by the Spirit, not the flesh as before.
And God uses all of us in different ways. He gives us spiritual gifts, designs a plan and prepares works for us to do and we cooperate. Each preacher/ teacher has his own style and their sermons are addressed to various types people, from different backgrounds and cultures and so the Holy Spirit speaks to us, pentrates our hearts, when we are ready. Je calls, we answer. A sermon to a Gentile would obviously sound different than a sermon to a Jew. God speaks to the Individual, where they are and exactly what the need to hear at the right moment.
 
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There are differences between translations and they can be based on what texts are used...........you can verify greek to translate a corrupt text......enough said
What's your point? You use a text that fits your perspective?
 

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How could something revealed in Isiah about his sacrifice be a mystery
The Bible foretells the existence of both a suffering servant and a triumphant king. The Jewish people did not realize that one individual—Jesus—would fulfill both roles. Jesus is not only the suffering servant, as predicted by Isaiah, but he is also the triumphant king. Paul suggests that God kept this concept hidden until He raised Jesus from the dead. (Ephesians 3:4-7)

The foundation of salvation is faith in the victorious King, who removed the sins of the world through His sacrifice on the cross. This is why both Jews and Gentiles can be saved. Gentiles are included in salvation because it does not rely on Jewish rituals; rather, it is based on faith and trust in the Savior, Jesus Christ.
 

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closer to what......please state plainly what I am to see in these verses

[Rom 11:5, 7 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. ... 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
To fully comprehend the latter half of Romans, one must reflect on Paul's rhetorical questions. These passages are designed to respond to his inquiries. For instance, concerning individual salvation, Paul questions the Jewish people: Has God unjustly rejected the Jews? This discussion begins in the first verse and ends with verse 6. Verse 7 begins a new question.

Question:
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He?

Answer:
May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew.

Foreknew:
Paul defines "foreknew" as referring to individuals who have maintained a relationship with God. He has not rejected those who continue to have faith in Him, obey Him, and worship Him. To illustrate this point, he quotes God's response to Elijah's lament: God preserved 7,000 men who did not bow to Baal. Paul's argument is that just as God kept these 7,000 men for Himself, He is currently preserving other Jews through His gracious choice. Paul includes himself among the remnant because, as a Jew, he continues to maintain a relationship with God at the present time.

Romans 11:5-6 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works. Otherwise, grace is no longer grace.

 

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Prophet and prophecy arent the same..........prophecy is speaking the mind and purpose of God
The distinction between prophet and prophecy is obvious. The prophet is the agent who delivers the prophetic word to the people. I understand that. The question is whether the prophet is quoting God directly, i.e. "thus saith the Lord" or if the prophet is speaking to the people in his own words concerning the truth about God's will as he has learned it from God by his Spirit.

Paul is an apostle, taught by Jesus and sent by Jesus to minister to the Gentiles. He typically does not quote Jesus verbatim, but he faithfully relays his teaching to us in his letters. In his letter to the Corinthians, he clarifies when he is speaking what the Lord taught him and when he is speaking on his own initiative. 1 Corinthians 7:10 for instance.

The point is, Paul and Peter share the same teacher who gave each man the same message.
 

CadyandZoe

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Where does it say in Acts 15 that the other apostles agreed Paul was teaching the correct gospel
Acts 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”

In other words, there is only one gospel and both the Jews and the Gentiles are saved on the same basis.
 

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Your whole premise is off. Peter and Paul taught the same gospel!
All the apostles, all Christians throughout history believe in the same gospel. There is only one:
JESUS died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures!
Peter didnt preach this.............................
JESUS died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures!
only Paul
 

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he is also the triumphant king. Paul suggests that God kept this concept hidden until He raised Jesus from the dead. (Ephesians 3:4-7)
[Eph 3:6 KJV] 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The hidden mystery is that Gentiles would be fellowheirs with Christ........members of the body of Christ........partakers of the promise of justification by faith
 

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Peter didnt preach this.............................
JESUS died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures!
only Paul
Read the Second Chapter of Acts.
 

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Acts 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”

In other words, there is only one gospel and both the Jews and the Gentiles are saved on the same basis.
Here again there is a difference in translations

[Act 15:11 KJV] 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Peter said they couldnt keep the law and were saved by grace and both the believing Jews and Gentiles were saved
the verse doesnt say in the same way
 

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Acts 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”

In other words, there is only one gospel and both the Jews and the Gentiles are saved on the same basis.
sorry but even though this is a corrupt translation it says nothing about same gospels
 

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Read the Second Chapter of Acts.
show me the verse(s) that say Jesus died for our sins was buried and was raised for our justification............................[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
 

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Acts 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”

In other words, there is only one gospel and both the Jews and the Gentiles are saved on the same basis.
Just look at these 2 verses

[2Co 2:17 KJV] 17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

look at NASB
For we are not like the many, [fn]peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God.

They hardly mean the same
 

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show me the verse(s) that say Jesus died for our sins was buried and was raised for our justification............................[Rom 4:25 KJV] 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
I already showed you.
 

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Here again there is a difference in translations

[Act 15:11 KJV] 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Peter said they couldnt keep the law and were saved by grace and both the believing Jews and Gentiles were saved
the verse doesnt say in the same way
even as they.
 

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Peter didnt preach this.............................
JESUS died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures!
only Paul
Yes he did! They all witnessed Jesus' death and ressurection! It is the fundamental cornerstone of Christianity.
Are you blind? Maybe you are.

Peter's teaching:
he, (David) foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Acts 2:31-32

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:37

But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. Acts 3:14-15

1 Pet. 1:2 ' ...in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

1Pet. 2:23-24
who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

1 Pet. 3: 18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit

Judging from all your threads, I think you are still blind. You lack discernment, ha e many doubts and confusion ...