Mark of the Beast and salvation

[amigo de christo]

just a friendly reminder to all . Let none follow pope francis . We may now return to the original post .

 

[RLT63]

The bible says that it does

Mark 3:28-30
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

Jesus said all of their sins except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

If you want to truly understand this then think of the heart of the loving forgiving graceful God of the bible who gave His one son for us

Would God really do this for us and then dam some one for taking a literal mark? Would God forgive and save Paul even when he was persecuting the church and not for taking a literal mark?

Would God save Paul for persecuting the church and then dam a single mother who took the mark to feed her kids? What if this mother didn’t know what she was doing and then realized after then repented and then was killed for rejecting to worship the beast would God forgive her then?

Of course the God of the bible would because He showed us His heart and gave His son to save people like that single mother thus the mark is symbolic for a unrepentant devotion to the beast and doing its will which is rejection of the Holy Spirit

How can you buy and sell with something symbolic? Yes taking the mark shows an unrepentant devotion to the beast and it won’t be forgiven.

 

[ewq1938]

Would God really do this for us and then dam some one for taking a literal mark? Would God forgive and save Paul even when he was persecuting the church and not for taking a literal mark?

It's the same thing in reverse:

Would God really do this for us and then dam some one for taking a symbolic mark? Would God forgive and save Paul even when he was persecuting the church and not for taking a symbolic mark?

Of course the God of the bible would because He showed us His heart and gave His son to save people like that single mother thus the mark is symbolic for a unrepentant devotion to the beast and doing its will which is rejection of the Holy Spirit

Or:

Of course the God of the bible would because He showed us His heart and gave His son to save people like that single mother thus the mark is a literal mark for a unrepentant devotion to the beast and doing its will which is rejection of the Holy Spirit

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t think he actually specified that there was only one. He identified one (blasphemy of The Holy Spirit) and contrasted it to other blasphemy but I don’t think that eliminates all other possibilities

I agree but I’m debating what the mark of the beast is not the outcome of it why don't you see that I have repeatedly stated this?

Marty,

We are drawing ever closer, day by day, to the "end of this age".

It will be climatic and dreadful for the world as we now see these things taking place = Matt ch24

The rise of the Antichrist and his Mark is the Final Rebellion against God whereby there is no turning back.

The same Holy Spirit who said: "God is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance."

The same Holy Spirit said = "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Therefore HE has determined the cut-off point of His Grace and HE has warned everyone to not take the Mark.

It is not a spiritual Mark.

You cannot see a spiritual Mark by which you can avoid.

 

[Marty fox]

How many mothers and their children drowned in the flood? To take the mark is to show allegiance to and worship the beast. If you take it you are doomed. There’s no coming back from it.

Once again I wasn’t denying that

 

[Marty fox]

It's the same thing in reverse:

Would God really do this for us and then dam some one for taking a symbolic mark? Would God forgive and save Paul even when he was persecuting the church and not for taking a symbolic mark?




Or:

Of course the God of the bible would because He showed us His heart and gave His son to save people like that single mother thus the mark is a literal mark for a unrepentant devotion to the beast and doing its will which is rejection of the Holy Spirit

Actually it’s no the same thing at all

One is a literal mark which John 3:16 says you can repent from and the other is a spiritual unrepentant devotion

 

[Marty fox]

How can you buy and sell with something symbolic? Yes taking the mark shows an unrepentant devotion to the beast and it won’t be forgiven.

Because you can be apart of that society by choosing it

 

[ewq1938]

Actually it’s no the same thing at all

One is a literal mark which John 3:16 says you can repent from and the other is a spiritual unrepentant devotion

Whether the mark is literal or symbolic makes no real difference. The language used supports a literal mark.

If the mark is symbolic of belief and work (forehead is the mind, right hand is physical support etc) then that is a self mark by the person but the text says the mark is given by the authority of the beast, which means it is not a self made symbolic mark.


Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Not to mention how many people are left handed which further disproves a symbolic mark.

 

[Adam]

There are several organizations that formed as break sways from Anton Lavey’s Church of Satan and they are so well established that the US military includes a section on the religion for their chaplains’ training

I am amazed at the depravity of western governments, but LaVeyan Satanism is non-theistic, purely materialistic and rejects the existence of the soul and of supernatural beings. It is just an edgy gloss of paint put on top of atheism. They only describe themselves as Satanists to define themselves as opposition to Christian ideals, but they don't worship Satan theistically.

Besides that, Quora puts the number of Satanists globally at 3,000-5,000. To contrast, there are 2,500,000,000 Christians globally. "Anti-" movements never catch on. Would you ever join "Loki-ism"? I am sure most people don't believe in norse paganism, and for precisely that reason, nobody cares about Loki. If you believed in Odin, you would worship Odin, if you didn't believe in Odin, you wouldn't believe in Loki either. The only reason someone would join Lokism is to be annoying to Odin-worshippers (if such people still existed), to express their dissatisfaction with the original faith and label themselves as opposed to it. Lokism would never arise because anyone thinks that being an effeminate shape-shifting giant who gets his head cut off at Ragnarok is worth worshipping.

 

[Timtofly]

I am amazed at the depravity of western governments, but LaVeyan Satanism is non-theistic, purely materialistic and rejects the existence of the soul and of supernatural beings. It is just an edgy gloss of paint put on top of atheism. They only describe themselves as Satanists to define themselves as opposition to Christian ideals, but they don't worship Satan theistically.

Besides that, Quora puts the number of Satanists globally at 3,000-5,000. To contrast, there are 2,500,000,000 Christians globally. "Anti-" movements never catch on. Would you ever join "Loki-ism"? I am sure most people don't believe in norse paganism, and for precisely that reason, nobody cares about Loki. If you believed in Odin, you would worship Odin, if you didn't believe in Odin, you wouldn't believe in Loki either. The only reason someone would join Lokism is to be annoying to Odin-worshippers (if such people still existed), to express their dissatisfaction with the original faith and label themselves as opposed to it. Lokism would never arise because anyone thinks that being an effeminate shape-shifting giant who gets his head cut off at Ragnarok is worth worshipping.

We are not talking about imagined gods.

We are talking about placing Satan as Supreme Dictator of the world. People may have worshipped Hitler, but Hitler was never the Dictator over all the earth. Hitler could not deceive people like Satan can either. Those with the mark are deceieved by and have made Satan their Commander and Chief. It has not happened yet. Neither has the mark.

 

[Adam]

We are not talking about imagined gods.

We are talking about placing Satan as Supreme Dictator of the world. People may have worshipped Hitler, but Hitler was never the Dictator over all the earth. Hitler could not deceive people like Satan can either. Those with the mark are deceieved by and have made Satan their Commander and Chief. It has not happened yet. Neither has the mark.

The Bible already says that Satan is tbe supreme dictator of the world.

8 Finally, the devil took Jesus to a very high mountain. He showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 “If you bow down and worship me,” he said, “I will give you all this.”

So what do you think is going to happen? Satan will pop up as a person and say "hey guys, it's ya boy"? He's already in charge of the physical, of the flesh, of lusts, these things already exist and rule worldly people. There is no reason or benefit, (but lots of harm) for Satan's cause to suddenly start tipping people off that a spiritual world exists. As long as people are blind to the spiritual, they are already in Satan's domain.

 

[Brakelite]

How can you buy and sell with something symbolic?

How does one receive the seal of God? If you have the seal of God, you won't be able to buy and sell either, and the seal of God is not a literal mark. Of you have the seal of God in your forehead, there will be no room for the mark of the beast for your character and lifestyle will refuse it. So focus rather on receiving the seal of the God and the mark won't be an issue. The inability to buy and sell however will be an issue. Both the seal and the mark are the result of spiritual decisions which one irrevocably settles into in mind and heart. Those who have refused the mark will be seen and recognized by their actions and lifestyle... The fruit of the Spirit. Those who have accepted the mark likewise, recognizable by the fruit of their rejection of God's authority and Lordship over their lives. Which is why I'm Revelation the dichotomy is set between those who keep God Commandments and those who persecute them for doing so.
KJV Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

KJV Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

How does one receive the seal of God? If you have the seal of God, you won't be able to buy and sell either, and the seal of God is not a literal mark. Of you have the seal of God in your forehead, there will be no room for the mark of the beast for your character and lifestyle will refuse it. So focus rather on receiving the seal of the God and the mark won't be an issue. The inability to buy and sell however will be an issue. Both the seal and the mark are the result of spiritual decisions which one irrevocably settles into in mind and heart. Those who have refused the mark will be seen and recognized by their actions and lifestyle... The fruit of the Spirit. Those who have accepted the mark likewise, recognizable by the fruit of their rejection of God's authority and Lordship over their lives. Which is why I'm Revelation the dichotomy is set between those who keep God Commandments and those who persecute them for doing so.
KJV Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

KJV Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Two very different aspects here.

The Seal is what we are given when we are Sealed by the Holy Spirit = it is spiritual and not seen by the naked eye.

The Mark of the Beast pertains to a earthbound system governed by Satan = Matt 4:8-9

 

[Brakelite]

Two very different aspects here.

The Seal is what we are given when we are Sealed by the Holy Spirit = it is spiritual and not seen by the naked eye.

The Mark of the Beast pertains to a earthbound system governed by Satan = Matt 4:8-9

I agree. But we need to acknowledge that the beast whose mark we are discussing, is an earthbound system. It isn't Satan himself, for deeper studies reveals the Antichrist as a counterfeit system to Christ. And receiving a literal mark on ones forehead or hand is no more egregious than a tattoo which displays a love for star wars or your favorite actress, or a tribal tattoo that reveals your ancestral links.
The mark, whatever it may be, must be a spiritual characteristic of the beast power. Accepting that as your own identifies you as being one with that system. The consequence of your choices in that regard, the ability to buy and sell for example, is the superficial carnal incentive the beast uses to get you to accept the mark. If you receive the mark in your forehead, you are accepting as a conscientious decision that you agree with as a matter of conscience. If you receive it in the hand, you have chosen to compromise, for even though you may know consciously that it's wrong, or perhaps you simply don't care either way, because you fear for your well being and the needs of your family you receive and practise that mark which the beast system itself has exalted as it's mark of authority over your life. It's a man made commandment that incorporates a man made doctrine that is offensive to God because it contradicts God's commandments.
Remember, the devil and his agents do not persecute those who refused to have a tattoo or bar code or financial implant or fiscal arrangement with the beast, but those that keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

 

[David in NJ]

I agree. But we need to acknowledge that the beast whose mark we are discussing, is an earthbound system. It isn't Satan himself, for deeper studies reveals the Antichrist as a counterfeit system to Christ. And receiving a literal mark on ones forehead or hand is no more egregious than a tattoo which displays a love for star wars or your favorite actress, or a tribal tattoo that reveals your ancestral links.
The mark, whatever it may be, must be a spiritual characteristic of the beast power. Accepting that as your own identifies you as being one with that system. The consequence of your choices in that regard, the ability to buy and sell for example, is the superficial carnal incentive the beast uses to get you to accept the mark. If you receive the mark in your forehead, you are accepting as a conscientious decision that you agree with as a matter of conscience. If you receive it in the hand, you have chosen to compromise, for even though you may know consciously that it's wrong, or perhaps you simply don't care either way, because you fear for your well being and the needs of your family you receive and practise that mark which the beast system itself has exalted as it's mark of authority over your life. It's a man made commandment that incorporates a man made doctrine that is offensive to God because it contradicts God's commandments.
Remember, the devil and his agents do not persecute those who refused to have a tattoo or bar code or financial implant or fiscal arrangement with the beast, but those that keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

Rev ch13

And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

There absolutely is a spiritual connection to the MoB.

Satan cannot be everywhere as the Holy Spirit can.
The technology of the MoB is to connect people to satan in a way never before reached on a global level.

This is BEYOND sin that everyone is born under for "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

The MoB is blaspheming the Holy Spirit since all who recieve the MoB are directly part of the Source/Center of it's Domain.

"Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done."

Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed.
He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship.
So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

The MoB allows the spirit of antichrist to sit in the temple of God = every man/woman that receives the MoB.

 

[Brakelite]

The MoB allows the spirit of antichrist to sit in the temple of God = every man/woman that receives the MoB.

Mmm. A global acceptance of the beast/Antichrist being validated as the true church.

 

[amigo de christo]

Marty,

We are drawing ever closer, day by day, to the "end of this age".

It will be climatic and dreadful for the world as we now see these things taking place = Matt ch24

The rise of the Antichrist and his Mark is the Final Rebellion against God whereby there is no turning back.

The same Holy Spirit who said: "God is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance."

The same Holy Spirit said = "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Therefore HE has determined the cut-off point of His Grace and HE has warned everyone to not take the Mark.

It is not a spiritual Mark.

You cannot see a spiritual Mark by which you can avoid.

Its all out war for the souls of men . ALL that was foretold is going viral in this generation . Times running out .
We must contend for the true faith . Teaching them to Observe ALL THINGS HE DID teach . ALL biblical doctrine by which we shall grow .
We are ALREADY witnessing a romans one level delusion of all out reprobation of minds . Its Gone world wide and getting worse
by the day and hour . March on in the LORD my friend . WE must preach the BIBLICAL TRUTH of GOD and of His CHRIST.
Many decievers do abound and a mergining as one under the dragon is on going . Fight the good fight of faith till the last and final breath . Persecutions WILL fast increase in these days . But the lambs fear not man . ON WARDS in the LORD my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Two very different aspects here.

The Seal is what we are given when we are Sealed by the Holy Spirit = it is spiritual and not seen by the naked eye.

The Mark of the Beast pertains to a earthbound system governed by Satan = Matt 4:8-9

The mark of the beast is tied into the name . Somehow the name numbers equal up to six hundred and sixty six .
The number OF HIS NAME . And whoever takes not its mark is unable to BUY OR SELL . THE DIGITAL SYSTEM .
Look at what they say about it . Their own words . IT can shut a person totally out of society , unable to function , to buy or sell .
ITS HERE . Also look at the major companies who met at I think it was davos when they did a meeting four years ago .
The meeting had a slogan . FYFN. four years from now . That was in feb of twenty nineteen .
The MAJOR phone companies , card companies , and many business men all met .
THEY CHIPPED a man on stage . then had another man who had already been chipped come up .
This was due to they said it cant usually be read in the first twenty four hours due to some inflmation and swelling .
ANYWAY . They had the newly chipped man pull out his phone and said DO a business transaction .
Sell something to him . SO he did and then he scanned the chip in the other mans hand and BAM it took it right out of his bank account .
Exactly . AND this wasnt fringe . IT WAS THE MAJOR PHONE COMPANIES and others . THEY been getting it all ready .
AND that is why they are pusing in this digital dollar digital system so fast . ITS COMING . Let no man
of CHRIST link anything into our body , I MEAN GODS TEMPLE , ITS ALL WICKED and this system is a GOD HATING SYSTEM .
But i wonder when we will see the name . cause all i know is , the NAME numbers up to six hundred and sixty six .
Its must be a numeric thing . What titles add up to SIX HUNDRED and SIXTY SIX . that would be something to find out as well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Mmm. A global acceptance of the beast/Antichrist being validated as the true church.

IS there any such system that equals to the number of six hundred and sixty six . THAT is something we need to also find out
Cause the number of his name equals to SIX hundred and sixty six .
THE ONE RELIGOIN I SEE that is gathering all other religoins under it , IS ROME . and its being centered in JERSUALEM as well .
But does ROME hold any office or is there a pope or any name that might equal six hundred and sixty six .
IF so let us know . FOR NOW i see this false church and i know the darkness sits high over it and many other places too .

 

[David in NJ]

This

The mark of the beast is tied into the name . Somehow the name numbers equal up to six hundred and sixty six .
The number OF HIS NAME . And whoever takes not its mark is unable to BUY OR SELL . THE DIGITAL SYSTEM .
Look at what they say about it . Their own words . IT can shut a person totally out of society , unable to function , to buy or sell .
ITS HERE . Also look at the major companies who met at I think it was davos when they did a meeting four years ago .
The meeting had a slogan . FYFN. four years from now . That was in feb of twenty nineteen .
The MAJOR phone companies , card companies , and many business men all met .
THEY CHIPPED a man on stage . then had another man who had already been chipped come up .
This was due to they said it cant usually be read in the first twenty four hours due to some inflmation and swelling .
ANYWAY . They had the newly chipped man pull out his phone and said DO a business transaction .
Sell something to him . SO he did and then he scanned the chip in the other mans hand and BAM it took it right out of his bank account .
Exactly . AND this wasnt fringe . IT WAS THE MAJOR PHONE COMPANIES and others . THEY been getting it all ready .
AND that is why they are pusing in this digital dollar digital system so fast . ITS COMING . Let no man
of CHRIST link anything into our body , I MEAN GODS TEMPLE , ITS ALL WICKED and this system is a GOD HATING SYSTEM .
But i wonder when we will see the name . cause all i know is , the NAME numbers up to six hundred and sixty six .
Its must be a numeric thing . What titles add up to SIX HUNDRED and SIXTY SIX . that would be something to find out as well .

This is why Jesus said: "to him who has a ear to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches"

But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand,
but the wise shall understand.
Daniel ch12