JOHN 14:12 WHATSOEVER YOU ASK

[Doug]

"You're either under the Law or the New Covenant. Which is it? Can't be both!"

"You're either under the Law or the New Covenant. Which is it? Can't be both!"

Did you read this
read the new covenant verses........what do they say..........keeping the law
Paul revealed we arent under the law and he revealed the blood of the new testament was for us.....the term new testament and new covenant are related but the new covenant is found in Jeremiah 31 and it brings Israel into the land, cleanses them and causes them to keep the law

 

[Doug]

It says New Covenant! Paid for by the Blood of Jesus!

does it say new testament anywhere though....this could be your problem......your translation

 

[Jack]

Did you read this
read the new covenant verses........what do they say..........keeping the law
Paul revealed we arent under the law and he revealed the blood of the new testament was for us.....the term new testament and new covenant are related but the new covenant is found in Jeremiah 31 and it brings Israel into the land, cleanses them and causes them to keep the law

You are drastically confused! Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

 

[Jack]

does it say new testament anywhere though...

You're playing word games!

.this could be your problem......your translation

I didn't write any Bible. Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

 

[Doug]

It says New Covenant! Paid for by the Blood of Jesus!

King James says new testament.................[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
God makes covenants with Israel not us
a testament requires the death of the testator
the shed blood allows God to be just in forgiving Israel in the new covenant

 

[Jack]

King James says new testament.................[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
God makes covenants with Israel not us
a testament requires the death of the testator
the shed blood allows God to be just in forgiving Israel in the new covenant

Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

 

[Doug]

Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

ok

 

[Doug]

Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

the last thing is the new covenant is made with the house of Israel and judah...................[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:......is that you?

 

[Jack]

the last thing is the new covenant is made with the house of Israel and judah...................[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:......is that you?

If you had read the New Covenant you would know that Gentiles were added to the New Covenant salvation that most of Israel rejected.

Romans 11:13
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,

Said Paul who wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone!

 

[Doug]

If you had read the New Covenant you would know that Gentiles were added to the New Covenant salvation that most of Israel rejected.

please just read the verses
This verse says nothing about Gentiles

 

[Jack]

please just read the verses
This verse says nothing about Gentiles

From Post # 69

Romans 11:13
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,

Said Paul who wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone!

 

[Doug]

If you had read the New Covenant you would know that Gentiles were added to the New Covenant salvation that most of Israel rejected.

Romans 11:13
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,

Said Paul who wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone!

Paul never speaks of the new covenant .................this verse says nothing about the new covenant

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

love Him and others; and in turn, He provides all our needs.

where in scripture do you find he will provide all our needs if we love God and others

And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus".
Phil. 4:19
"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well" Matt. 6:33

"If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you".
Matt. 17:20

This spiritual concept of your needs being provided goes hand in hand with loving God and others, putting your faith in Him.

Maybe you don't have faith? People who doubt God's Word will typically be conflicted, imagine all sorts of discrepancies, contradictions, different gospels ... and will not be at peace. The Bible is harmonious. Scripture supports scripture throughout.

 

[Jack]

Paul never speaks of the new covenant .................this verse says nothing about the new covenant

Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

 

[Triumph1300]

Maybe you don't have faith? People who doubt God's Word will typically be conflicted

Well I suggest you go into a cancer clinic and start preaching this Kenneth Copeland gospel to the sick and suffering.
Come back here and give a report.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Well I suggest you go into a cancer clinic and start preaching this Kenneth Copeland gospel to the sick and suffering.
Come back here and give a report.

Pain and sufferring exist. God uses it for a purpose. It leads to death sometime. Our faith is tested and sometimes it is our stupid unhealthy ways ( junk food, smoking, gluttony, etc.) that leads to illness - our fault. We all die and so that is good too - we go-to be with the Lord.
Never put any value in Copeland's preaching. I gave the scriptures ... likely the ones you ignor - typical for liberals. I am not a preacher, just discussing and occasionally a little rebuking. Here's more: Your comment sounds like it's carried over from your Anti-TRUMP/ Left Wing thread ... you did 't like what I had to say, so you just enter any old thread where I am and it's payback time. ???

 

[VictoryinJesus]

John 14:12-13 was not written about us but to Israel .....under covenant they had to keep the commandments

To the Jew first then also to the gentiles, the Greeks, to all flesh.

If the New Testament (covenant) isn’t to us but only to Israel, then what Hope do we have? We all have had fathers who have corrected us after the flesh, but God for our profit that we may partake in His Holiness. To partake in His Holiness then how can we partake in His Holiness, if the New Covenant is only to Israel? He said to Israel that He would remove the heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh, and put a New Spirit in them. My heart has been stony. I need a New heart, and a New Spirit within. Not the spirit the world gave unto you of fear unto bondage again…but the Spirit of Love and of power and of a sound mind. Not being tossed between two minds, carried about by every wind of mens doctrine

 

[VictoryinJesus]

we must rightly divide scripture and understand that in this dispensation we cannot think we will receive whatever we ask. This was only directed to Israel at that time and to think it was to us will lead only to disillusion and disappointment.

Revisiting to our OP now that it makes more sense what you are saying.
Key things that stand out in what you said in the OP:

You said we must “rightly divide” scripture and understand that in this dispensation we cannot think we will receive whatever we ask. What if to rightly divide the word of truth is not concerning dispensation, but instead “to rightly dividing” is the “breaking of bread” which Jesus Christ spoke of in 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: [24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do (rightly dividing and distributing to the poor) in remembrance of me. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do you, as oft as you drink it, in remembrance of me.

To “rightly divide the word of truth”
Isaiah 58:7 Lexicon: "Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry And bring the homeless poor into the house; When you see the naked, to cover him; And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?



To divide your bread with the poor, as Paul said right before Jesus Christ breaking bread, Paul spoke of what he had been given of the Lord, he gave Strong's Hebrew: 6536. פָּרַס (paras) -- To spread, stretch out, break in pieces


To spread, stretch out, break in pieces, to distribute to the poor.

I’m curious if you observe the breaking of bread, where He rightly divided and indeed did distribute bread (His saying I am the bread) cast (His seed)) abroad to the poor and destitute.

I’m curious how far it goes with your saying first ..that you’ve “rightly divided” yet If what is to be rightly divided is “do this in remembrance of Me” which is His blood shed the New Testament…if it the New Testament is only to Israel then “to righty divide” “this is My body broken for you” is only to Israel also. Only Israel conditional that they “rightly divide”. Why is it conditional that you rightly divide the word of truth? Do you keep in remembrance the breaking of bread in “this is My body broken for you”, if so why if the New Testament is only to Israel? Questions I have regarding your asserting the New Testament is only to Israel .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

we must rightly divide scripture and understand that in this dispensation we cannot think we will receive whatever we ask. This was only directed to Israel at that time and to think it was to us will lead only to disillusion and disappointment.

Breaking it up so it’s not so much in one post. What also stands out for why you assert the New Covenant must be only to Israel :
1) we cannot think we will receive whatever we ask.
2)to think (we will receive whatever we ask) was to us will lead only to disillusion and disappointment.

James 4:1-3 From where come wars and fightings among you?(from the works of the flesh not yet dead among you) come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? [2] You lust, and have not: you kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: you fight and war, yet you have not, because you ask not. [3] You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume it upon your lusts.

only sharing what the above means to me. First, all works of the flesh, not to Israel only…but all fight and war and lust to have.

You have proposed the reason we receive not whatever we ask is because (ask whatever in His Name and He will give you whatever you ask) was never to us but to Israel only. You clarify THAT(because it was to Israel only) is why we will be disappointed by not receiving whatever we ask. That is NOT what the above says is the reason you ask and receive not. It does not say you will be disappointed because you didn’t rightly divide the Bible to realize “ask and whatever you ask will be given” was only to Israel. Is actually says the reason you don’t receive whatever you ask is because “you want to devour it on your own lust.”

I’d reconsider if I were you…instead of explaining away the reason we ask and receive not whatever asked …is because it was only to Israel. It distracts from you ask and receive not that you may devour it on your own lust.

If we desire and ask for brothers to be given(born of God), for an increasing and adding to the body of Christ…why would God not give whatever we ask? Except for His saying: you ask and lust to have brethren, so you can eat them up and consume them up and devour them on your own lust and greed. We are warned “they desire to make merchandise of you”. Should we reduce “be careful you don’t consume(devour one another)” to you don’t have because it was only to Israel, having nothing to do with that you may devour brothers(the increase) on your own lust.

The goodness and mercy of God is He will not increase or give what He knows we will devour on our own lust. That is merciful, Paul understood this when he set with a brother too afraid to eat, a brother whom was weak having not the knowledge of Christ…Paul instructed to not use the power given of God to destroy a brother who was yet still weak and without power. For in harming a weak brother, he would devour and consume what was given of God on his own lust, and in so doing (he became guilty) devouring one who was weak; he sinned against Christ.

 

[Doug]

And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus".
Phil. 4:19
"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well" Matt. 6:33

"If you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you".
Matt. 17:20

This spiritual concept of your needs being provided goes hand in hand with loving God and others, putting your faith in Him.

Maybe you don't have faith? People who doubt God's Word will typically be conflicted, imagine all sorts of discrepancies, contradictions, different gospels ... and will not be at peace. The Bible is harmonious. Scripture supports scripture throughout.

The only comment is you cant take what was said in Matthew 6:33 17:20 as being to us.......it was directed to Israel