JOHN 14:12 WHATSOEVER YOU ASK

[Doug]

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

This was fulfilled by the disciples after Pentecost through healings and miracles (Acts 3:6 Acts 6:8).

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The disciples believed on the name of Jesus and were given the greater works of miracles to glorify God.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus doing whatsoever was asked was conditional upon the disciples keeping his commandments.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Receiving whatsoever was asked was conditional upon the disciples being fruitful.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Once again it is repeated in 1 John that for believing Israel receiving whatsoever is asked is dependent upon keeping his commandments.

we must rightly divide scripture and understand that in this dispensation we cannot think we will receive whatever we ask. This was only directed to Israel at that time and to think it was to us will lead only to disillusion and disappointment.

 

[Lambano]

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

If Jesus were to stand before me and ask me the same question He asked Simon bar-Jonah, "Lambano, do you love me?", what should I answer?

What would you answer?

 

[amigo de christo]

If Jesus were to stand before me and ask me the same question He asked Simon bar-Jonah, "Lambano, do you love me?", what should I answer?

What would you answer?

We should say we love him . but let us always examine ourselves to see if this be true .
meaning HAD we loved HIM we would have loved His words .
Many can and many do profess to love Christ
but sure seems to not take heed to Some of his words and rather twist them unto their own destruction .
but yes of course one would say WE love thee . LETS JUST ENSURE we really do LOVE HIM
and not some other version of another jesus.

 

[soberxp]

If Jesus were to stand before me and ask me the same question He asked Simon bar-Jonah, "Lambano, do you love me?", what should I answer?

What would you answer?

It should be like this, that when I say I love Jesus, but do not obey his word, I do not love Jesus.

 

[Doug]

If Jesus were to stand before me and ask me the same question He asked Simon bar-Jonah, "Lambano, do you love me?", what should I answer?

What would you answer?

[1Co 7:19 KJV] 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
[1Co 14:37 KJV] 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Yes we should love God and keep his commandments but we dont expect the blessings promised Israel

 

[Behold]

we must rightly divide scripture and understand that in this dispensation we cannot think we will receive whatever we ask. This was only directed to Israel at that time and to think it was to us will lead only to disillusion and disappointment.

You are attacking the fact that God answers the believing prayers of a child of God.

The Devil loves to hear people like you tell his lies.
You do it well.

So, the fact is... its God's own will to answer the prayers of all who are "heirs of God" and "joint Heirs of Jesus".


Who is that?

A.) Its all the born again.

One of the reasons that a Christian has Hope, is because the NT teaches that we can go "boldly to the Throne of Grace" "and find help in time of Need".

God answers prayers, and thank GOD that He does.

@Doug , you've apparently never experienced the True God who answers prayers.
Obviously the cult that has deceived you, has led you there...
Maybe one day you'll find the True God, as He's not lost.

 

[amigo de christo]

It should be like this, that when I say I love Jesus, but do not obey his word, I do not love Jesus.

Truly truly this is the case my friend . Men of this world love the flesh , they obey and serve their own lustful hearts desires .
But who we obey IS who we love and whose LOVE is clearly seen in their actions .
What a man loves that will he do .
If you walked into a room every day
and seen a child drinking every day a pepsi
And then he tells you , HEY i love coke
see watch me get one and drink it .
And so he does . He goes a gets a coke for you to see him drink this coke .
But the moment you go he is back in the fridge sucking down all the pepsi .
Tell me does the child love coke or pepsi
and tell me why did that child suddenly pick up a coke .
He picked up the coke to behave as though he did love the coke to show YOU .
But what does he really love . Its evident in what they do and not when just in church but at all times .
Many get hyped up and all excited and happy from the entertainment of the world
but can hardly stay awake when TRUTH is being taught .
Sure they say OH we love , we love GOD
but it sure seems they often love the things contrary to HIM .
THE PROOF of who and what one loves can easily be seen . Ye shall indeed know them by their fruits .
Many can holler we have the SPIRIT and yet for some odd reason this spirit they cliam to have
SURE has led them into acceptance of sins , of lies and of a lie . MAKING IT NOT the HOLY SPIRIT they are hearing .
THE SPIRIT sheds the LOVE of GOD upon our hearts , not the love of the world . yet many seem to follow
this love of the world and actually beleive its of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

It should be like this, that when I say I love Jesus, but do not obey his word, I do not love Jesus.

What does the love that cometh of GOD rejoice in ..........
and what does the love that cometh of GOD not rejoice in .........
The love of GOD , Charity , REJOICES IN ........................THE TRUTH . and every word o GOD be TRUTH .
charity does not REJOICE in inquity , in a lie .
SO if a lie makes one happy , WE GOTS A HUGE problem in the HOUSE .
But then this is why it is written , THOSE WHO MADE AND LOVED A LIE .
i sure see a real broad path to GOD being invented that sure seems to accept certain sins and even UNBELIEF
in JESUS as it gives the other religoins a pass and just hollers WE all serving the same GOD .
AND THEY REJOICE IN THIS LIE believing it is love and it is of GOD .
TRUTH they will attack . How dare thee say its a sin for man to be with man
HOW dare you judge the other religoins they say , HEY there are good people in all religoins
we all serving God , SO THEY say .
BUT JESUS has been denied . The dire need to repent and beleive on HIM has been denied . I SURE DONT SEE
any LOVE in that message , SEEING it saves none and shall damn all .
I sure see no love but i sure do see hate .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , you SHALL in any way correct him and not allow SIN upon him .
MANY rejoicing IN THE WRONG love . and that love cannot save them .

 

[Doug]

You are attacking the fact that God answers the believing prayers of a child of God.

We are to make all our supplications known but you would have to show me a verse from Paul where it says all our prayers will be answered as to what we pray for

 

[Wick Stick]

If Jesus were to stand before me and ask me the same question He asked Simon bar-Jonah, "Lambano, do you love me?", what should I answer?

What would you answer?

Agape or Phileo?

 

[Lambano]

Agape or Phileo?

"Phileo" = "Friend Zone"?

 

[Lambano]

We are to make all our supplications known but you would have to show me a verse from Paul where it says all our prayers will be answered as to what we pray for

Well, I suppose having low expectations is one way to deal with the inevitable disappointment when we ask for something in Jesus's name, and the answer is "no".

Though if you're going to reduce the scope of that promise, reduce it to just the 11 men in that room.

And I object to the "show me a verse from Paul". Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Corinthians 1:13). Does Paul overrule Christ? Should we call our faith, "Paulianity"?

 

[Lambano]

Okay; I understand that historically, Darby and Schofield came up with dispensationalism to deal with the fact that either Jesus was a failed messiah and the gentile Church is God's "Plan B" (requiring some relaxation of the rules for God's people), or the promised "Kingdom of God" has to be completely dehistoricized and spiritualized. Nevertheless, I still have to object to a theological system that depersonalizes Jesus and renders his entire earthly ministry and teachings as irrelevant except for the Crucifixion. And maybe the Resurrection; the jury's still out on that one.

Just a sacrifice.

That's all.

 

[Lambano]

I read a Muslim scholar (ex-Christian?) who took the position that the "Christian dispensation" ended with the revelation of the Quran to Mohammed in response to Nicaea's polytheism. We are now in the dispensation of Islam.

See what happens when dispensationalism runs amok?

 

[soberxp]

I read a Muslim scholar (ex-Christian?) who took the position that the "Christian dispensation" ended with the revelation of the Quran to Mohammed in response to Nicaea's polytheism. We are now in the dispensation of Islam.

See what happens when dispensationalism runs amok?

I can only say that the scholar is illiterate and he may never have read the book he loves.

 

[Doug]

And I object to the "show me a verse from Paul". Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Corinthians 1:13). Does Paul overrule Christ? Should we call our faith, "Paulianity"?

The problem Corinthians had was a failure to acknowledge that Paul was their apostle.........................[1Co 4:16 KJV] 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

 

[Wick Stick]

"Phileo" = "Friend Zone"?

Yes, I believe so.

Jesus asked Peter both questions...

Do you LOVE me? and
Do you FRIEND me?

English Bibles are confusing here because they translate both words as LOVE, causing virtually everyone to miss the point.

 

[Wick Stick]

See what happens when dispensationalism runs amok?

It always seems to. My objection to Dispensationalism (history aside) is that it conceptualizes God as being variable, and ever-changing.

 

[Lambano]

It always seems to. My objection to Dispensationalism (history aside) is that it conceptualizes God as being variable, and ever-changing.

But (to switch sides in the argument), God appears in the Biblical narrative to HAVE CHANGED His requirements for what He expects from His people. God told His people they were to circumcise their males, they were to eat kosher, and they were to keep Shabat. How can God change His mind like that? Those "certain men from James of the circumcision party" in Galatians 2:12 I'm sure were convinced they had God's Word on their side.

"Long ago I learned from your statutes that you established them to last forever." - Psalm 119:152

"I also gave them statutes that were not good, and ordinances by which they could not live." Ezekiel 20:25

 

[Lambano]

My objection to Dispensationalism (history aside) is that it conceptualizes God as being variable, and ever-changing.

I just finished the book, The Widening of God's Mercy. The authors point out where God in the biblical narrative has changed His requirements in real time, and they ask where the Holy Spirit might be calling the Church to change NOW.

That freaks people out. The Holy Spirit that inspired the Word might change it. Where are the quality control checks and balances? But that's what happened in Acts and Galatians.