1 JOHN WAS WRITTEN TO ISRAEL

[Davy]

depends on which translation is used......................[Gal 2:7 KJV] 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;.......gospel of not to

I did not refer... to any particular English... translation. I referred to the ACTUAL GREEK which those English translations were made from. You need a lot more Bible study, as it's clear you are following what men tell you to believe instead of checking it out for yourself in God's Word.

 

[Davy]

You seem to know alot about right division false doctrine so please give me some examples of it

I did already give you examples, but you just whisked them away like I said nothing, showing how spiritually blinded you are on men's false Hyper-Grace doctrines.

 

[Doug]

Christ's Olivet discourse was giving the SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to Christ's 2nd coming, which are the SEALS of Revelation 6. Just as Christ gave His Book of Revelation to His Church, likewise those SIGNS in His Olivet discourse were given to His Church.

And the last SIGN Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse was the event of His future 2nd coming and gathering of His faithful saints.

Yes Christ did deal with them being persecuted .......the olivet discourse is as I said about the kingdom of heaven which is the prophetic kingdom on earth........the church the body of Christ does not inherit the kingdom on earth but rather heavenly places ..............[

Mat 5:5 KJV] 5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.,,,,,,,,the believing remnant of Israel inherits the earthly kingdom

[Mat 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven..................the remnant had to be righteous to enter the kingdom on earth

[Eph 1:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:.........the church the body of Christ is separate from the believing remnant church.......the body of Christ inherits the heavens

 

[Davy]

Yes Christ did deal with them being persecuted .......the olivet discourse is as I said about the kingdom of heaven which is the prophetic kingdom on earth........the church the body of Christ does not inherit the kingdom on earth but rather heavenly places ..............[

No need to tell me all that, I already know man's FALSE Pre-trib Rapture Theory is part of what Hyper-Dispensationalism wrongly believes. John Darby in 1830's Britain is who started the seed for that false doctrine. Hyper-Grace only modified it into something even darker that goes directly against God's written Word.

Looks like you are BACK on my IGNORE LIST.

I'm not the least interested in your posted responses that intentionally SKOOT what I have said, just so you can try... and push the false doctrines of men that you have ignorantly succumbed to against God's written Word.

 

[Doug]

I did not refer... to any particular English... translation. I referred to the ACTUAL GREEK which those English translations were made from. You need a lot more Bible study, as it's clear you are following what men tell you to believe instead of checking it out for yourself in God's Word.

What verse are you talking about to say there are not two gospels as Gal 2:7 says and what greek words are you talking about

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

John is just identifying himself as one of the eye witnesses.
All scripture is God breathed and a message to all, especially the New Testament. Scriptures in Matthew and Hebrews were directed to Hebrew Christians; but, it doesn't mean the rest of us can 't receive knowledge and wisdom from these books - they are supportive.

 

[Davy]

John is just identifying himself as one of the eye witnesses.
All scripture is God breathed and a message to all, especially the New Testament. Scriptures in Matthew and Hebrews were directed to Hebrew Christians; but, it doesn't mean the rest of us can 't receive knowledge and wisdom from these books - they are supportive.

But don't you see, the false Hyper-Dispensationalist doctrines of men that Doug has accepted instead of Bible Scripture has him fooled into believing that Christ's Olivet discourse was not given for Christ's Church, but only for His disciples of that time. Otherwise, it means the Dispensationalist separation and Pre-trib Rapture which John Darby taught in 1830's Britain would be false.

The Hyper-Grace movement lies go even farther, and separates the One Gospel of Jesus Christ into TWO SEPARATE GOSPELS.

They do that simply again, because of John Darby's Dispensationalist teaching. That's why that Hyper-Grace movement is also known as Hyper-Dispensationalism. What doctrine is that about...

One of Darby's false Dispensationalist ideas is a design to support the false Pre-trib Rapture theory. It's because his pre-trib rapture idea teaches that Christ raptures the Church PRIOR to the time of "great tribulation", and takes His Church with Him to Heaven, while unbelieving Israel goes through the great tribulation on earth.

And then, after the tribulation, Christ's Church continues to reign with Jesus from Heaven while an 'earthly' restoration of the nation of Israel happens, restoring it to its former glory like the times of king David. Therefore, ANY... Bible Scripture that suggests Christ's Church is part of that future restoration of Israel by Christ is completely rejected by Dispensationalists and the Hyper-Grace doctrines of men. That is why they created their false two-Gospels ideas about the "mystery" Apostle Paul spoke of, one for the seed of Israel, and another for the Gentiles. And it's really, and yes I have to say it, a STUPID IDEA of theirs, and goes directly against what even Apostle Paul taught.

 

[Doug]

No need to tell me all that, I already know man's FALSE Pre-trib Rapture Theory is part of what Hyper-Dispensationalism wrongly believes. John Darby in 1830's Britain is who started the seed for that false doctrine. Hyper-Grace only modified it into something even darker that goes directly against God's written Word.

I asked for examples because these are the type of allegations I came across........there are no examples of verses to refute verses I cite in my posts......we were discussing the olivet discourse so show me a verse that the body of Christ will inherit the earth

 

[Doug]

John is just identifying himself as one of the eye witnesses.
All scripture is God breathed and a message to all, especially the New Testament. Scriptures in Matthew and Hebrews were directed to Hebrew Christians; but, it doesn't mean the rest of us can 't receive knowledge and wisdom from these books - they are supportive.

All scripture is for our learning

 

[Davy]

John is just identifying himself as one of the eye witnesses.
All scripture is God breathed and a message to all, especially the New Testament. Scriptures in Matthew and Hebrews were directed to Hebrew Christians; but, it doesn't mean the rest of us can 't receive knowledge and wisdom from these books - they are supportive.

Here is one of the main... reasons why the Hyper-Dispensationalist movement is so blatantly false.

John Darby with his theory of Dispensationalism separated Christ's Church from Christ's future restoration of the kingdom of Israel. They even created TWO SEPARATE GOSPELS out of Darby's Dispensationalist theories, one for the seed of Israel, because Peter was sent to preach The Gospel to the circumcision, and another Gospel to the Gentiles to whom Apostle Paul was sent to.

However, per Acts 9, even the very words of Lord Jesus, He said He chose Apostle Paul to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles, and ALSO... to the kings, and... to the children of Israel. That means ONE Gospel for both Israelite and Gentile, not TWO separate Gospels like Hyper-Grace falsely teaches.

The whole movement is actually Darby's design of his personal Dispensationalist theories to help support his preaching of a false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

The big... big problem with his theory though, is how MANY of the "children of Israel" have accepted Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, their Savior, and thus are part of Christ's Church, which means joined WITH believing Gentiles.

And that Israel would inherit the believing Gentiles is... a major doctrine first prophesied in the Old Testament Books of the prophets, especially in the Book of Isaiah.

That means Christ's Church of BOTH believing Israelite, and believing Gentile, together, will make up Christ's future Kingdom on earth when He returns, in the holy land. This is even why the Zechariah 14 Chapter reveals that Christ brings all... His saints with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem when He comes. That is where the new Jerusalem, the "beloved city" of Revelation 20 will be located, on earth, as written. And that is where Lord Jesus with His elect priests will reign over all nations from when He returns.

 

[Doug]

Here is one of the main... reasons why the Hyper-Dispensationalist movement is so blatantly false.

John Darby with his theory of Dispensationalism separated Christ's Church from Christ's future restoration of the kingdom of Israel. They even created TWO SEPARATE GOSPELS out of Darby's Dispensationalist theories, one for the seed of Israel, because Peter was sent to preach The Gospel to the circumcision, and another Gospel to the Gentiles to whom Apostle Paul was sent to.

However, per Acts 9, even the very words of Lord Jesus, He said He chose Apostle Paul to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles, and ALSO... to the kings, and... to the children of Israel. That means ONE Gospel for both Israelite and Gentile, not TWO separate Gospels like Hyper-Grace falsely teaches.

The whole movement is actually Darby's design of his personal Dispensationalist theories to help support his preaching of a false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

The big... big problem with his theory though, is how MANY of the "children of Israel" have accepted Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, their Savior, and thus are part of Christ's Church, which means joined WITH believing Gentiles.

And that Israel would inherit the believing Gentiles is... a major doctrine first prophesied in the Old Testament Books of the prophets, especially in the Book of Isaiah.

That means Christ's Church of BOTH believing Israelite, and believing Gentile, together, will make up Christ's future Kingdom on earth when He returns, in the holy land. This is even why the Zechariah 14 Chapter reveals that Christ brings all... His saints with Him to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem when He comes. That is where the new Jerusalem, the "beloved city" of Revelation 20 will be located, on earth, as written. And that is where Lord Jesus with His elect priests will reign over all nations from when He returns.

John Darby with his theory of Dispensationalism separated Christ's Church from Christ's future restoration of the kingdom of Israel. They even created TWO SEPARATE GOSPELS out of Darby's

Here is the gospel preached by Jesus and the twelve.................[Mat 4:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people........they preached the kingdom was at hand

Here is Paul's gospel.............[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:.........not the same

Dispensationalist theories, one for the seed of Israel, because Peter was sent to preach The Gospel to the circumcision, and another Gospel to the Gentiles to whom Apostle Paul was sent to.

[Gal 2:2 KJV] 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.............why would Paul have to go to the apostles to tell them what he was preaching if they were all preaching the same thing.....why would Jesus need to send Paul to preach the same gospel he taught the twelve.....the gentiles already believed Peter in Acts 10 so the Gentiles were included already

However, per Acts 9, even the very words of Lord Jesus, He said He chose Apostle Paul to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles, and ALSO... to the kings, and... to the children of Israel. That means ONE Gospel for both Israelite and Gentile, not TWO separate Gospels like Hyper-Grace falsely teaches.

Paul was sent to preach the gospel revealed by Jesus to the Jew first.......to say that means only one gospel is not supported

The big... big problem with his theory though, is how MANY of the "children of Israel" have accepted Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, their Savior, and thus are part of Christ's Church, which means joined WITH believing Gentiles.

The believing remnant believed on the name of Christ (John 20:31) and were his church........this is the church Paul persecuted

Those who believed Paul's gospel, both Jew and Gentile, formed his church the body of Christ

That means Christ's Church of BOTH believing Israelite, and believing Gentile, together, will make up Christ's future Kingdom on earth when He returns, in the holy land.

The church of God, those who believed on his name, both Jew and Gentile, will make up the kingdom on earth.......not the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

Well, there's one of the big LIES by man's false Hyper-Grace movement. Paul never preached Dispensations.

I am not getting into discussions that undermine KJV translations by going to the greek,,,,I will say Paul taught dispensations by highlighting divisions in time

[Rom 11:30 KJV] 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
[Gal 1:23 KJV] 23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

Paul referred to TIMES PAST

[Act 14:16 KJV] 16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways...................note in this verse God is dealing with mankind differently in that dispensation

[Rom 3:21 KJV] 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[Rom 6:22 KJV] 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[Rom 7:6 KJV] 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.

Paul refers to BUT NOW

[1Ti 6:19 KJV] 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
[2Ti 4:3 KJV] 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Paul refers to TIME TO COME

 

[Doug]

The whole movement is actually Darby's design of his personal Dispensationalist theories to help support his preaching of a false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

I am not defending Darby, I never have read anything from him, but isnt it possible he could just be right about some things. I dont know who started your church but how do you know whoever did was right?,,,,,,,,all teachers should be evaluated by scripture

I think he was right if he upheld a pre trib catching up..................[1Th 5:2, 9 KJV] 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. ... 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

[1Th 4:17 KJV] 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.