Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[covenantee]

The grain represents the sons and daughters of Israel, regardless of their spiritual status.

No it doesn't. It represents the righteous, who do not fall, in contrast to the sinners, who die by the sword in verse 10.

Jude
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy

 

[CadyandZoe]

No it doesn't.

God is talking about allowing his people Israel to be taken into exile. They will go into exile together and come out of exile together.

But don't miss the essential point here. God is able to distinguish his people by their race, even if human beings can't. Once again, people are using scientism to support ideas and concepts that aren't true or relevant.

 

[covenantee]

God is talking about allowing his people Israel to be taken into exile. They will go into exile together and come out of exile together.

But don't miss the essential point here. God is able to distinguish his people by their race, even if human beings can't. Once again, people are using scientism to support ideas and concepts that aren't true or relevant.

The righteous grain will not fall and will be preserved. The unrighteous sinners will die by the sword.

God distinguishes the righteous from the unrighteous.

God is not a racist.

You might as well stop trying to contort Him into one.

 

[David in NJ]

So, will you show us in Revelation 20 where Jesus is reigning on earth?

My three friends, @WPM , @Scott Downey and @Spiritual Israelite do not know where in Scripture God said this???

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

My three friends, @WPM , @Scott Downey and @Spiritual Israelite do not know where in Scripture God said this???

I wasn't aware that we were friends. My friends don't usually treat me with complete disrespect like you do. You were asked where it is written in Revelation 20. Was the question too hard for you? Do we need to dumb things down for you?

 

[David in NJ]

I wasn't aware that we were friends. My friends don't usually treat me with complete disrespect like you do. You were asked where it is written in Revelation 20. Was the question too hard for you? Do we need to dumb things down for you?

How would JESUS respond to this post?

a.) I wasn't aware that we were friends
b.) My friends don't usually treat me with complete disrespect like you do.
c.) You were asked where it is written in Revelation 20.
d.) Do we need to dumb things down for you

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How would JESUS respond to this post?

a.) I wasn't aware that we were friends
b.) My friends don't usually treat me with complete disrespect like you do.
c.) You were asked where it is written in Revelation 20.
d.) Do we need to dumb things down for you

He would probably like you to answer the simple question you were asked about Revelation 20.

How would Jesus respond to the lie you told in this post:

Well then, you and @Spiritual Israelite admitted to defeat a long time ago..........and you keep on that path.

Neither of us ever admitted defeat. If we did, why are we still Amills? So, this was a blatant LIE that you told. But, you are holier than the rest of us, right? You set an example for the rest of us, do you? Is that what you imagine?

 

[David in NJ]

He would probably like you to answer the simple question you were asked about Revelation 20.

How would Jesus respond to the lie you told in this post:

Neither of us ever admitted defeat. If we did, why are we still Amills? So, this was a blatant LIE that you told. But, you are holier than the rest of us, right? You set an example for the rest of us, do you? Is that what you imagine?

JESUS would ask @Scott Downey first since it is his OP/Thread

JESUS would say to everyone this: "You were given ALL of Revelation, not just chapter 20"

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw.
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Shalom and Good Night

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

JESUS would ask @Scott Downey first since it is his OP/Thread

JESUS would say to everyone this: "You were given ALL of Revelation, not just chapter 20"

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw.
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Shalom and Good Night

No apology from you for your lie about WPM and me then? I see.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The righteous grain will not fall and will be preserved. The unrighteous sinners will die by the sword.

God distinguishes the righteous from the unrighteous.

God is not a racist.

You might as well stop trying to contort Him into one.

Those who study to understand the Bible have adopted a principle of interpretation they call: Not taught here. Through discipline, they learn to avoid superimposing ideas over a text that the text does not support. While an idea 'X' may be true and supported elsewhere in the Bible, the question is whether idea 'X' is supported by the passage at hand. If not, then idea 'X' is "not taught here."

Amos 9:9 does not teach separation based on quality, as you claim. Instead, Amos 9:9 teaches separation based on ethnic origin. Amos chapter 9 describes the restoration and hegemony of Israel.

 

[CadyandZoe]

the 'Calvinist' can believe all the scriptures as written, I don't know what the others believe.
What do you believe about the scripture here?
Your interpretation is in error if you say anything of what I am exposing as the truth here is wrong


John 6
ALL the Father gives to Christ WILL come to Christ; this is an absolute here.
It is why Christ says some do not believe in Him.
Meaning if you do not believe, then you were not 'chosen', 'predestined', 'elected' by the Father before time began to believe in Christ.
And there is scripture that backs that up.

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out.

38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

We were taught to see our response to God's offer, but contrary to that picture, Jesus taught us to see that believers are God's gift to his son.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He was talking about two types of Israelite - the elect (chosen from the foundation of the earth) and the blinded (reprobated).

Paul is not talking about individual Israelites in Romans 11:11. At that point in his argument, he is talking about their nation.

 

[CadyandZoe]

As usual, you interpret a passage without taking the rest of scripture into consideration.

John 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

You think that John 6 means that all who are given to Him can't be lost, yet He said one of them was lost. He was speaking of the disciples in particular.

Also, you don't seem to be considering how the Father determines who to give to Jesus. Is it just unknowable how He determines that? I don't believe so. Think of Cornelius and his family and Lydia. The Father gave them to Jesus. Why? Because they already worshiped Him before hearing the gospel. As Jesus said "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me." (John 5:46). How did people like Cornelius, his family and Lydia come to believe what Moses taught and to believe in God in the first place? Calvinism has no answer for that.

Contrary to what you claim, the verse you selected proves Scott's point. Jesus acknowledges that he lost none except the one "doomed to destruction." I don't think Jesus superstitiously believed in fate. Jesus believes in divine determinism. God is ultimately responsible for the behavior of Judas, just as Jesus said, "that the scripture would be fulfilled."