Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture
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ALL the DEAD in the graves shall be bodily resurrected when Christ comes again! The martyred saints, having part in the "first resurrection" SPIRITUALLY shall be physically resurrected immortal, and the DEAD having no part in the resurrection of Christ, shall be resurrected to DIE the second death!
tailgator
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dad
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There is nothing in there either that says the Rapture will not happen. Neither is fiction just because the timing is not layed out for that event in Rev.
No mention after chapter 3.
No. To them that have an ear let them hear.
Name one
Why mention dead garbage? The believers from those groups are all gone.
In other words the church is no longer mentioned. Ever wonder why?
Where else would believers be after being resurrected??
Who says they are supposed to be since they departed earth long before that?
Since there are tribulation saints and old testament saints and Jewish believers, why are you suggesting that the 'church' per say is supposed to be in the Millennium?
As above. We know we are found there! Call us what you like.
So?
Never read one so who cares?
Israel is in Revelation. But since the secular nation called Israel today is not the Israel He restores to the land after the tribulation (only believers will be restored) why mention it? The area is referred to such as here
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The believers are mentioned. The term trib saints is just a term used to refer to them
? Believers will exist. I am not sure about the churches thing
No. Of course all believers will be believers in Jesus.
Ronald David Bruno
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You can't figure that out? Christ hadn't died for our sins yet, nor was anyone baptized into Christ until Pentecost. On that day, people were born again, became new creatures. Prior to that time people were still in their sin. Sacrifices were made, atonement was given, sins blotted out, but no was Eternally forgiven, nor in Christ. They had to perform thise rituals and ceremonies week after week, year after year. They were only a symbolic shadow of the once and far all sacrifice for, forgiveness of and cleansing of sins performed by Christ.
The Church is the Body of Christ and it began at Penetecost.
Ronald David Bruno
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You presented zero evidence. Nothing! Where is your Scripture? Your opinions mean nothing.
Calvary was the final sacrifice for sin in God's economy. It was finished!
Where in the Bible does it say that "the Church ... began at Pentecost"? Give me clear Scripture.
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The Church is found throughout the tribulation period.
The Church is described as the “saints” in Revelation 5:8, 8:3, 8:4, 11:18, 13:7, 13:10, 14:12, 15:3, 16:6, 17:6, 19:8 and 20:9.
The New Testament uses the term “saint” some 59 times, repeatedly describing Christians who walk in newness of life. The objective Bible student can quickly discern that this name consistently pertains to true believers in the New Testament.
The Church is described in Revelation as the “redeemed” in Revelation 5:9, 14:3 and 14:4.
The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that Christians alone are “redeemed” through the blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 1:68, 24:21, Gal 3:13, 4:5. Titus 2:14 and 1 Peter 1:18). The unregenerate have not partook in this life-changing experience.
The Church is also known in Revelation, like elsewhere in Scriptures, as the “brethren” Such references are found in Revelation 6:11, 12:10, 19:10, 22:9.
The Church is referred to in Revelation 17:14 as the “chosen (or elect), and faithful.”
The word rendered “chosen” in the King James Version is the Greek word eklektos, and is the same word used in Matthew and Mark to describe the elect that are gathered unto Christ at His coming after the tribulation. It is the same word that is used 23 times in the New Testament to denote the redeemed, blood-bought, members of Christ’s Church!
The Church is described as “servants” in Revelation 1:1, 2:20, 7:3, 10:7, 11:18, 19:2, 19:5, 22:3 and 22:6.
The Church is described as those “in / with white robes,” who are washed in the blood of the Lamb in Revelation 3:4, 5, 18, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 13, 14, and 19:8, 14.
The Church is described as “kings and priests” in Revelation 1:6, 5:10 and 20:6.
God’s people are described as “souls” twice in Revelation, both in a heavenly context, both thus relating to the disembodied saints, in Revelation 6:9 and 20:4.
The disembodied saints are also known as “fellowservants” in Revelation 6:11.
The Church is also described as a “woman” in Revelation 12:1,4, 6,13,15,16 and 17.
The Church is also described as “the temple” in Revelation 3:12, 11:1 and 2. Notwithstanding, there are other passages in Revelation that could link the temple to the Church.
The Church in heaven is described in Revelation 14:13 as “the dead which die in the Lord.”
The Church is described in Revelation 15:2 as “them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.”
The Church is also known in Revelation as “he/him that overcometh” (speaking in generic terms) – Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26, 3:5, 12, 21 and 21:7.
The saints are described in Revelation 16:15 as “he that watcheth, and keepeth their garments.”
The Church is also expressed in Revelation 18:4 as “my people,” in Revelation 21:3 as “his people” and Revelation 19:1 as “much people in heaven.”
Revelation 7:9 describes God’s people in heaven as “a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.” Revelation 5:9 says: “out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”
The Church is also described as “the bride” of Christ in Revelation 18:23, 21:9, 22:17, and similarly as “the Lamb's wife” in Revelation 19:7 and 21:9.
Revelation 12:17, 14:12 and 21:14 describes the Church as “they that do/keep God’s commandments.”
The Church is also described as “the armies which were in heaven” in Revelation 19:14.
Revelation 21:24 describes the Church as “them which are saved.”
Revelation 21:27 describes the Church as “they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.”
Most of the above are familiar terms used to describe the universal Church of Jesus Christ are found elsewhere in the Bible (Old and New Testament) describing God’s people the Church. These are general terms that are commonly used and perfectly understood by all sensible Christians as describing God’s chosen people throughout the centuries and throughout the nations.
There are many different references throughout the whole book of Revelation to the existence, testimony and endurance of Christians during the tribulation period. These saints are described as those that possess “the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:1), and consequently carry “the testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 1:2, 9, 12:17, 19:10), and are “the witness of Jesus” (Revelation 20:4). They exhibit the “patience of Jesus” (Revelation 1:9), and many become the “martyrs of Jesus” (Revelation 17:6). Frankly, if these aren’t Christians, what are they?
A passage that ably supports this supposition and locates the Christian in the tribulation period is Revelation 14:12-13, which says, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
The “patience of the saints” here in Revelation 14:12 must surely be linked to the “patience of Jesus” in Revelation 1:9.
The means by which these saints overcome the devil, the world and the flesh during great tribulation is the exact same as that employed by Christians throughout history. Those Christians that carry “the testimony of Jesus” in the tribulation are seen to conquer Satan by “the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony” (Revelation 12:11), again, confirming their sure unitary position within the redeemed Church of Jesus Christ.
dad
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Not so much as mentioned actually
No, you inject that meaning. Nothing like that is in the bible
Believers are saints in the church. They were saints before the church existed and there will be saints after we're gone
You made that up. No mention of church there in reality
And so will the tribulation saints be when they come to faith.
No, you made that up, zero mention of church there. What, you though you could write in the word church wherever you felt like??
If you are correct you have proven your theory to be false! You see, guess where Jesus is in Rev 17? In heaven!
Great and also in heaven at that time!
You don't get to white out the word servant and pencil in church actually. Sorry
Spammed verses. For example Rev 6:11 again we are in heaven! (go back to rev 4:1 to see)
Yes and as one of the verses you posted show, the believers at the end of the 1000 years ALSO will be.
So? Point?
So? Great
No relevance to Rev and the issue of the church. For example, a woman does not have to be the church! Nor armies! etc etc
Terms that can be applied to the church as well as, in some cases, other believers.
Yes they are believers in Christ, our brethren on earth who came to faith after we are gone
Is that really news to you, that the tribulation saints are believers in Jesus??
Of course new believers will need Him in them to overcome.
You cannot show us a rapture in Revelation, you cannot show us any proof in Revelation that the Church is in heaven, you reject descriptions that describe we Christians on earth during this time, and you want us to take your doctrine seriously. I don't think so. It is dead on it's feet. It is an extra biblical invention. You have nothing else in Scripture.
Btw, the Church (ekklesia) was in the OT. It has been around since the beginning.
dad
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Well you pointed to a group from a heaven scene that you said must be the church. There is no overt timing for the resurrection of the believers that I noticed in Revelation. Either way, for a pre wrath or not. That neuters any possible point you have.
The believers are on earth in that time, don't pretend I reject the obvious. The tribulation believers.
No. You can believe what you like. Whether we take the noon train or the midnight train, they go to the same place
All scripture dealing with the issue actually fits perfectly.
Yet Jesus said He built the church. Funny that. There were saints and believers in the OT but no church. Sorry. Face facts
You are totally incapable of presenting any biblical support for any of your claims. Everything you claim has been refuted on this thread.
Christ speaking in the gospel that the Dispensationalists say was written solely to the Jews – Matthew – confirms how the term ekklesia was related to the gathering of God’s people in His day, rather than some post-Pentecost New Testament period of time, as some would try and argue. Jesus said, in Matthew 18:15-17, “if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church [Gr. ekklesia]: but if he neglect to hear the church [Gr. ekklesia], let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
This is before Pentecost!
Here, in this supposed Jewish gospel, the disciples are carefully counselled in the proper way to deal with matters of discipline within the local assembly. Expressly, if the transgressor does not receive the private admonition from a brother, with a witness, or from the ruling elders, the issue should be brought before ‘the congregation’ of God’s people – the ekklesia – for public exposure. This is historically before Pentecost, where Dispensationalists suggest “the Church” began.
Stephen goes back even further. He takes us back to ancient Israel in the wilderness. He taught in Acts 7:36-38, “he (Moses) had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years. This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church [Gr. ekklesia] in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us.”
Stephen classifies Old Testament Israel in this text as the ekklesia (or Church or assembly or congregation). This correlates with our previous findings. No one could surely deny this. This passage shows the existence of the Church long before Pentecost. Nothing could be clearer. To deny that is to fight with Scripture.
Speaking on Acts 7:36-38, Peter Ditzel writes: “Like the New Testament ekklēsia that God called out of this world of sin, God called Israel out of Egypt. In a physical, typological way, Israel was God’s special people, physically assembled before Him. In those places in the Old Testament where English versions refer to Israel as an assembly or a congregation, the Greek Septuagint uses the word ekklēsia” (What is the relationship between the Old Covenant assembly of Israel and the New Covenant assembly of believers?).
The Roman Catholic Church was the first to change the meaning of ekklesia from the congregation of God’s people to a religious institution of man replacing physical Israel. This was highly advantageous in reinforcing its apostate religious system. It allowed its clergy to lord over the people. This strategy likewise rubber stamped the whole foundation of its global religious system, its “Holy” Roman Empire, its papal state and its false teaching. But this construal was totally out of kilter with the common usage of the word in ancient times.
William Tyndale recognized this when translating his early English Bible. Despite intense pressure from the Roman Catholic powers that be, he stood strong on his interpretation, suitably and consistently translating ekklesia as congregation. The Coverdale Bible (1535), The Great Bible (1540), Matthew Bible (1549) and The Bishops Bible (1568) all followed suit, using the word “congregation” to describe God’s New Testament people.
The writer of the Hebrews also quotes and applies the word ekklesia, as it literally reads in Psalm 22:22 in the Greek Septuagint, to the Old Testament saints, saying: “I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church [Gr. ekklesia] will I sing praise unto thee” (Hebrews 2:12).
Psalm 22:22 reads, “I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.”
This quote is taken directly from the Greek Septuagint, the Bible that was used by Jesus, and Paul, and the disciples in the first century AD. It proves that the ekklesia (the Church) was alive, kicking, and written about throughout the Old Testament. Wherever people of faith are found or written about in history, the “Church” (ekklesia) is revealed. Dr. Michael Milton (President, Reformed Theological Seminary) tells us that “Psalm 22 [verse 22] uses the Hebrew word qahal for congregation … This same verse appears in Hebrews … the Holy Spirit has replaced qahal with ecclesia” (Engrafted, Not Replaced).
Just like with Israel in the Old Testament, the New Testament assembly has a visible and an invisible aspect. Those who profess a faith in Christ, and participate in Christian worship, are recognized as the outward visible congregation, but only those who have a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ are recognized as being part of the true invisible Church – that which Christ sees and knows – His redeemed. The visible congregation are those who are typically outwardly committed to the Christian faith, whereas, the redeemed invisible congregation are those that have “passed from death unto life” (John 5:24).
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When Jesus states in Matthew 16:18, “I will build my church [Gr. ekklesia]; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” He is only referring to the elect of God. He is describing the faithful remnant that have entered into spiritual union with God. This is the invisible ekklesia.
The Church describes those who he has redeemed with his own precious blood. It describes all those that have a personal relationship with Christ! Paul instructs the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:28: “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church [Gr. ekklesia] of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
The visible ekklesia is that which gives outward adherence to the Lord and which congregates together in public worship. For example, we see the local churches in Asia Minor mentioned in Revelation chapter 2 and 3. These were local congregations that evidently included believers and unbelievers. We know that because the Lord exposed those that were playing at it in these gatherings. There was “the church [Gr. ekklesia] of Ephesus” (Rev 2:1-7), “the church [Gr. ekklesia] in Smyrna” (Rev 2:8-11), “the church [Gr. ekklesia] in Pergamos” (Rev 2:12-17), “the church [Gr. ekklesia] in Thyatira” (Rev 2:18-29), “the church [Gr. ekklesia] in Sardis” (Rev 3:1-6), “the church [Gr. ekklesia] in Philadelphia” (Rev 3:7-13) and “the church [Gr. ekklesia] of the Laodiceans” (Rev 3:14-22). This was the visible outward face of the Church, but it did not denote the true elect ekklesia of God who existed within those congregation.
The Westminster Confession of Faith put it like this: “The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of Him that fills all in all” (Chapter 25:1).
William Tyndale took a courageous, consistent and correct stance on this word, unfortunately, many other translations chose (or were forced) to compromise. It is believed the KJV translators were pressured by King James, against their better judgment, to substitute the word “Church” for ekklesia in their version, a path that most modern translations have duly followed. Tyndale interprets Matthew 16:18 as: “And I say also unto thee that thou art Peter: and upon this rock I will build my congregation. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Tyndale New Testament).
With the apostate development of the Roman Catholic Church, the term ekklesia has evolved in the minds of many into some type of ritualistic super-structure, some elaborate religious institution or some global quasi-political kingdom. Sadly, many Protestant churches have followed in Rome’s footsteps on this matter. They have placed an emphasis on the outward form rather than the spiritual reality. Because of this, many Christians in our day look at the Old Testament ekklesia of God and then compare it to what parades itself as the ekklesia today and see no connection between both. But rather than look beyond the outward misrepresentation, they get entangled in the religious distortion.
Dr Michael Milton tells us that “In the New Testament, the Church, or ecclesia, of Christ is one with the qahal of God throughout the Old Testament. These are one people of God who trust in God’s Messiah, although living under two different dispensations—Old Testament and New Testament” (Engrafted, Not Replaced).
Dispensationalism has taken advantage of the translation of ekklesia as “Church” and has used it to their own advantage. They have manufactured an imaginary deep divide between the New Testament congregation and the Old Testament assembly, which clearly doesn’t exist in the original text. As a result, they have made the New Testament Church a unique and distinct entity which is totally separate to Old Covenant Israel and which enjoys no spiritual connection. This undermines numerous New Testament teaching and makes this interpretation something it was never intended to be.
It seems like, if the translators of most English Bible versions would have actually interpreted the word ekklesia consistent with its original meaning, and in keeping with its normal usage in the Old Testament, then there would be less confusion among Christians today. Few would have any difficulty in noticing the continuity between the congregation in Old Testament and the congregation in New Testament.
Whilst the people of God were largely found within the nation of ethnic Israel before the cross, that was broadened out after the cross to embrace all nations. Race means nothing under the new covenant. The New Testament outlines clearly and repeatedly that “there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles.” True believing Israel has been completely, and deliberately, genetically mixed among the nations under the new covenant.
The elect now come from all tribes, races, nations and languages equally (Revelation 7:9). What is more, believers who, before the cross, were required to submit to an elaborate system of ritualistic temple worship, the keeping of feasts and sacred laws, have, because Christ has wholesale fulfilled and removed that shadow, been liberated into serving Him by simple faith in a spiritual manner.
When all is said and done, when all the debating is over, when the full revelation of the ekklesia is honestly considered in its entirety, the true assembly of Jesus Christ is clearly revealed in Scripture to be a spiritual entity that can be traced through both testaments right back to the beginning that embodies all those who have entered into a personal eternal covenant with God through Jesus Christ and His finished work at the cross. And that is all that matters! That is why Ephesians 3:21 testifies: “Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.”
Rather than communicating a distinction between Israel and the Church, the Scriptures show that God has only ever had one chosen people belonging to “every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation” (Revelation 5:9).
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dad
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Spamming a bunch of verses with no church mentioned and inserting the word church willy nilly is actually not refuting anything. As for the Rapture, the thread here is about your supposed proof that a pre wrath Rapture 'contradicts scripture'. It is you that have well and truly failed here so far. As for the Rapture itself, I have no need to 'support' it here! It is a slam dunk.
What about it? Jesus said He founded it. When He sent His spirit it really got rolling.
? Many sheep, Jesus said He had other than the folks there at the time. No idea about what your 'just to the Jews' is supposed to mean.
Great, so?
So? Strawman argument, I never even mentioned that
Nonsense. Go and preach the gospel to all the world Jesus said
More flogging a dead strawman horse
Acts 7:38
This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us. ESV
The word assembly is defined as a group of any gathering or the assembly of Israel or an assembly of people or a gathering of citizens...etc In the Christian sense it means an assembly of Christians gathered or a company of Christians or those anywhere that constitute a body, or the whole body of Christians scattered through the earth, or a dead assembly of Christians gathered in heaven.
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In the case of the Jews in the desert that was long before Christians. So calling that pre Christian assembly a 'church' (but not the only or best translation) is fine as long as we realize it is not the church.
The old testament pre Christian saints ALSO were called out from the world of course.
Not my problem. Called out ones is a pretty simple and clear concept. All believers are called out! Pre Christian as well
Nothing like that. It shows believers congregated before Jesus came!
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Yes, we are saved. So were the old testament believers. So will the tribulation and millennial saints be saved! Nothing to do with the doctrine you are flogging. You are all over the map and out in left field and don't really address the timing of the Rapture at all. Apparently you are too busy trying to pass of strawman theories to focus.
dad
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Point?
The called out ones are actually people God called out. The thief on the cross was called out. He never 'congregated in public'
I think being His saved sheep and called out is a clear and simple thing.
The people that got saved after Jesus came are the called out ones we usually call the church. You seem to want to clump all believers of all times into one party. The Rapture is for the 'dead in CHRIST'. That is very clear. Would you dispute that?
Forget trying to use fancy names and define what believers in Jesus are. It is simple.
That is in heaven. Yes, of course people got saved from every nation and etc. Not sure why you mention this as if it relates to when the Rapture was.
jeffweeder
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For good reason.
Matt 8
11 I say to you that many [Gentiles] will come from east and west, and will sit down [to feast at the table, and enjoy God’s promises] with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven [because they accepted Me as Savior], 12 while the sons and heirs of the kingdom [the descendants of Abraham who will not recognize Me as Messiah] will be thrown out into the outer darkness; in that place [which is farthest removed from the kingdom] there will be weeping [in sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [in distress and anger].”
Ronald David Bruno
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Where did you go to church? This is Christianity 101. Acts 2 tells us of the day the Church began with
The baptism of the Holy Spirit! John baptized with water, but Jesus pointed to this day when He would baptize with fire!
I'll highlight key verses:
Acts 2:1-4 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
OT prophets pointed to this day:
Acts 2:16-18 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
A reference to David:
2:30-33 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
2:41-42 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
The Church began on Pentecost, going out to the world, now being baptized, equipped with gifts and empowered by the Holy Spirit. God lives in us. Before that day, the disciples certainly believed in Christ, but they did not have the Holy Spirit, Whom Jesus promised as well as the priohets.
I am wondering if you have been baptized by the Holy Spirit?
CadyandZoe
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Yes, that is what they teach. They will say that the first resurrection IS physical because Jesus was physically resurrected. However, It escapes their notice that John says other people "came to life" before the beginning of the thousand years. They deny that John is speaking about a physical resurrection here.
" Being changed and caught up are not resurrection."
Rising in the resurrection occurs on the Last Day, multiple verse in the gospels confirm this
The Last Day is also the Day of Judgement against the wicked which occurs at the return of Christ.
Christ returns as a thief in the night, and Peter tells us what happens when Christ returns, the earth is burned up and heavens pass away.
John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
When Christ returns, this is the Last Day. It is also called the Day of the Lord
The Last Day of this world-age, is the resurrection, the judgement, the destruction of Satan, the New Earth and New Heavens, the Day of the Lord
1 Thess 4
The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.Be Steadfast
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;God’s Final Judgment and Glory
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
CadyandZoe
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There is no such thing as a "spiritual" resurrection. The definition of "resurrection" signifies a physical raising from the dead.
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